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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 27 2012 20:53 GMT
#7
#1 like a boss :>
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 05 2012 16:56 GMT
#36
no, just don't let him join
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 23:44:56
June 05 2012 19:32 GMT
#41
edited: booblobbyboop
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 23:44:37
June 05 2012 23:44 GMT
#44
ehm, I retract my out ^_^ sorry!

Very much still

/in
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 06 2012 15:57 GMT
#61
On June 07 2012 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'll sit out for Caller...out of RESPECT.


er, no you won't
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 09 2012 17:01 GMT
#95
On June 09 2012 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh, and due to the recent popularity of Policy Lynch thread, I'm going to be making a concentrated effort to play in a sane and coherent manner as to not incur any undue policy lynches. O.O


Only takes one of us to shoot you sweetheart
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 10:22 GMT
#152
I stopped reading at Miller
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 15:02 GMT
#167
I'm happy with longer days. I don't think my brain works quickly enough for the shorter ones.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 15:07 GMT
#169
On June 12 2012 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm happy with the game as written. I don't forsee the days lasting very long.

Marvel, are you going to help me find and eliminate scum?


Naturally. And as a token of my love I won't shoot you at the start of day 1.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 15:22 GMT
#171
Gosh, I'm not ready to actually DO anything yet.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 15:38 GMT
#174
On June 12 2012 00:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 00:22 MrZentor wrote:
With that in mind let me categorically state I will shoot anyone claiming miller after our starting phase


Is anybody else bothered by this?

There's no reason you should "veto" a decision because you can shoot.

Regardless of the topic, it stunts discussion, which is really scummy.

the point is that every mafia can "just" claim miller AFTER someone got a red check on them (obviously not takling about d1) and therefore we can't allow people to just claim miller if in danger because that could be a legit way for mafia to get out of the way and make them look townish.


Eh... even if we didn't agree for millers to claim day 1, then doing so hardly makes someone look townish. That's what you look at their play for, to see if it makes sense or not.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 16:10 GMT
#177
On June 12 2012 01:03 chaoser wrote:
@gonzaw I'm surprised you're asking millers to claim and then shoot day 1 when it's just as good to have millers claim day 1 and then you yourself volunteer to shoot day 1.

Since you yourself did not volunteer immediately to shoot on day 1, I was wondering if you'd like to start us off by shooting on day 1.

In this game, to find 3 out of the 4 mafia, I feel like it's pretty easy. We just force the person we think is the most suspicious to shoot the person THEY think is most suspicious. If they can shoot, they are not one of the three regular mafia. The only anti-town that gets out of this is the GF and the SK but they should be easy to narrow down when we combine this method with regular analysis.

If they can't shoot, then they are either mafia or blue.

In terms of blue roles, I actually don't think they matter that much this game and I'd totally be ok with any blue role that gets suspected and put on the spot to shoot to just claim. RB is nerfed this game to only be able to roleblock the same person on every other night so that means mafia can't just nilly willy claim blue and then when they don't die to mafia gunfire for a few days, get off scott free.

So basically it goes discussion--->decide who is "most suspicious"--->force them to shoot who THEY think is most suspicious--->if they can't shoot, they will be forced to claim--->we then decide if the claim is valid or not--->shoot if we don't think the claim is valid.


Nice plan, the 3 scum get 3 free town deaths with this.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 16:22 GMT
#180
Ah, rastaban. Apparently I do not read setup.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 16:23 GMT
#181
Well, aren't I off to a flyer :x
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 16:39 GMT
#185
If the dude is playing badly and he's townie and under suspicion, he's probably going to misfire... is it really worth a likely townie death in the hope they may magically start playing better next cycle?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 20:19 GMT
#230
Scratching my head a little over how the claim was presented. Not sure what I think of it yet
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 21:12 GMT
#246
On June 12 2012 06:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote:
On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote:
Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already...


yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho?

It's not really a big deal. Half the reason I considered not claiming at all was just because I didn't think it was worth considering whether or not I was a Miller. I am sure if I continue being alive they will try to make me suspciious because of that. Or killing me, whatever. There is a chance that a medic could be on me because I claimed and they would be wasting their first hit.

There is a number of things they have to take into account. Ultimately, I'm not really worried and whether I die or not its not that big of a deal.


If it isn't that big of a deal why did you make a really big post justifying it to yourself?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 22:55 GMT
#251
Toad dearest, let's not be talking about ongoing games
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 12 2012 00:50 GMT
#261
gonzaw, you've just made me read all the setup speculation on Millers. Damn thee. There is so much I do not like about the claim.

On June 12 2012 04:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright, finished reading.

Any plan that involves millers and role checking is quite stupid. There are so many things that can interfere with proper results that it hinges on nothing. Anyone advocating some sort of role centric plan needs to shut up. It won't work, we don't even know if all the roles in the OP are the only roles in the game, but even from what we can tell it is still a crap shoot and it could only get worse.

I agree with what Chaoser said. If we think someone is scummy, we make them shoot who they think are scummy. If they can't shoot and can't explain themselves then we just kill them. Problem solved. On the off chance the DT figures out his sanity and claims to have found someone a Miller claim CANNOT absolve them. A DT will only get a red check back on non GF roles if his sanity is known. The non GF roles cannot shoot, so they would need to shoot to prove they are a Miller.

That claim can literally never work.


There is only one actual benefit of a Miller claiming in this set up. Hypothetically its day 5, we need to kill a mafia and the DT claims knowing his sanity and has a red check on someone. Assuming that person has NEVER shot during the day then he can now shoot to prove that he is not scum but a Miller. There is no way scum can emulate that play to the point where it would help a Miller to claim earlier on. The only thing that this helps is preventing a cop who knows there alignment to claiming publicly in that one very niche scenario.

In that scenario the N1 Miller claim would save the cop from going public. That is the only benefit. So does that single benefit justify having someone claim Miller? I can't see why someone would ever get shit for claiming Miller. The only mafia benefit to claiming Miller would be to avoid a RC but the only one who can do that is the GF who would get outed by a DT check and would prefer to get DT checked anyway.

The same thing applies to SK's.

Anyone faking Miller would eventually just get outed by some means and its not worth it. So I guess there is only that one benefit, but there is no real drawback besides people wasting time speculating on why someone claimed Miller.

But hey, since I outlined all the reasons above and there are no true drawbacks, might as well claim that I'm a Miller.


Green text: Outlines in some depth how little benefit there is to Miller claiming in this setup. He calls the benefit a 'very niche' scenario.
Red text: Having outlined why it's barely beneficial if at all to claim Miller, he leaps into categorically saying no-one should give miller claims any shit. Claims at the end he 'outlined all the reasons'. All the reasons? He clarified himself it would only help in a 'very niche scenario'. What gives? He then says mafia have no reason to fakeclaim miller. He's actively pushing this to discredit the notion.
Blue text: Also see post below, but this looks like an attempt to halt any discussion of his miller claim. Because we're so busy on Night 0, right?

On June 12 2012 06:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote:
On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote:
Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already...


yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho?

It's not really a big deal. Half the reason I considered not claiming at all was just because I didn't think it was worth considering whether or not I was a Miller. I am sure if I continue being alive they will try to make me suspciious because of that. Or killing me, whatever. There is a chance that a medic could be on me because I claimed and they would be wasting their first hit.

There is a number of things they have to take into account. Ultimately, I'm not really worried and whether I die or not its not that big of a deal.


Again with the blue text, pushing the idea that talking about his claim is a bad thing. To the bold and underlined: twice he says his claim is not a big deal. More language in the middle with 'or killing me, whatever'. Basically totally flippant and acting unconcerned about it.

On June 12 2012 06:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote:
On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote:
Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already...


yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho?

about 0. I actually thought there's no way that's really a claim because that would be stupid. Maybe it's a trick to survive d0? :p
Let's start the wifom machine lol.

And here comes that suspicion thing I was talking about. It's the only downside I perceived of claiming regardless of timing. Idiots will always over-analyze shit for no reason. However that wasn't something I could articulate without just saying people are dumb and we can't work around them being suspicious of a miller claim regardless of how illogical it is for any non-town person to do it.


Look at the change in tone! From his original claim with his "hey, I guess I'll claim miller" casual attitude and subsequent post with the 'whatevers' and 'it's not a big deal' he fucking jumps down Toad's throat. Now he's again pushing the idea that even talking about his claim is a bad thing. He admits here that he forsaw people being suspicious of the claim. Yet in his original post, the only 'benefit' he saw was with a very niche day 5 cop scenario.

RoL said elsewhere in his filter that we should be working off behavioural analysis. I agree. I'm not questioning the claim because he claimed Miller, I'm questioning how he's gone about it. Scum.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 12 2012 01:11 GMT
#264
Fairly likely he'd be GF yea.

To toad: I agree totally with the mentality and actually came back to the thread to make an EBWOP about it. A townie miller would be well aware that claiming miller would arise suspicion and discussion. VE was a townie miller claiming day 1 recently and he openly admitted that he would be scrutinised for it.

I don't see the townie mentality for multiple times casting suspicion on anyone wanting to think about the claim. He very specifically says there are no drawbacks in his claim post. No, townie miller would know that was a drawback and be upfront about it.
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