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If thats cutting it to close just exclude me. If not I still want to play =) | ||
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On June 11 2012 16:26 supersoft wrote: 4 scum, 4 blues? 1-2 GF means there is a 33% chance if we shoot into the non VT players to hit scum. 1/5 of all players are scum, so lets shoot all nonVTs day1? Shit you just don't read the OP do you? Where does it say the number of blues are 4? How do you know scum even have a GF? Or 2. (It does say that scum KP = 1 but that doesnt have to be a GF) We can only shoot 1 person per day phase. Whenever we shoot someone it goes to nightphase. Please go re read the ENTIRE thing... O_o | ||
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Roles: These are just some of the roles that may appear in the game. Also not every role you see appears in this form! Cop - Kinda sucks that you can't shoot during the day but someone has to uphold the law. At Night you may investigate a player and get a result of Innocent or Scum. You may be Sane, Insane or Paranoid | ||
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But I'll try again: Roles: These are just some of the roles that may appear in the game. Also not every role you see appears in this form! Bolded part means this is basicly a closed setup. Underlined means we can have a rolecop, scum doctor or whatever other role Ace can think of. About you whole DT strategy... On June 11 2012 19:28 Toadesstern wrote: However, we probably have a cop and in this setup the GF can't choose what he wants to show up as when being checked. This is important because usually the GF can choose what he returns on checks and therefore could choose to return as "Goon (mafia)" as well or whatever millers return as. This game they can't which means that a DT check on them WILL give us a green check meaning they're busted because there's no way a miller could produce a green check on beind DT'ed in a setup without a framer. So screw this tracker thing. Goon and RB can't fakeclaim. We just DT the guy and if he turns out green we shoot him because both GF and SK show up as green lol. You logic is just super flawed. 1) Yes a DT check can produce a green result. 2) Miller can also produce a green result 3) We don't know if scum have a framer 4) You just want to kill someone based on the first DT check that might not be correct? Outing the DT and giving scum the oppotunity to kill our DT? Seems to me you just want people to claim regardless. I've never found you to be this stupid so maybe its on purpose... | ||
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About RoL, who seemed to have had a busy night. Here is what he claims to have bee through: Being shot Being medic protected Getting his gun stolen And all this after a Miller claim n0. If this is all true we can conclude the following: We have a SK (since the smurf died). We have a Doctor who is atleast not with a naive sanity. Someone have a gun stealing ability (Most likely scum or the SK. A town ability like that seems weak and odd seeing they would only benefit stealing from the GF/SK) However, I'm trying to wrap my head around the reasons for RoL to lie about any of this. If he is the Miller he have no reason to lie. If he is scum he have all the reasons in the world to lie. He convince town that an SK is out there (even if there is not). Someone already mentioned the threat of the SK to town seeing as scum don't have alot of means to kill the SK. So a play like that from scum would move some focus from the scum team to the SK. The medic part is irrelevant as no medic would claim now anyway so we have no way to know is there is a medic. Having his gun stolen could be a way for him to now shoot today. Discussion during n0 was "let the Miller shoot" so if he couldn't shoot he had to come up with a way for him to be unable to shoot. (this last reason might also be why the scum team stole just his gun as mentioned earlier by others) For him to be the SK makes less sense. If he hadn't claimed a hit no one would think there was a SK making his job easier (well scum team would know I guess but they can't really do much without outing their GF). He still wouldn't be able to shoot during the day since he maybe shoot the smurf. All in all it comes down to if you believe his miller claim or not... I'm not convinced but at the same time it seems like a huge risk for a scum player to lie about that much.. What do you guys think? I feel like RoL have to die at some point even though he is a miller. There will always be suspicion regarding this whole n0/d1 thing. About gonzaw. He seems to spend most of n0 talking about how the game should play out. Mostly the Miller part. But then when a miller actually claim its not anything he want to focus on "I don't find him suspicious mostly because of the claim itself (I've never seen scum fake-claim Miller in my whole life, and I doubt I will)." He also continually states that he have no post to analize even though the game had been underway for 18 hours with 6-8 pages which I find scummy. Like he wants some leeway about analizing others. He also continue to talk about plans going in to d1 instead of spending time starting some analysis? On June 12 2012 17:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also this post is actually kinda bad and I'm surprised I'm the only one with a problem with it. Kita do you realize that the people shooting will most likely be townies? You're advocating for the death of lots of greens on the chance that you catch the gf or sk. I agree we need accountability but shooting people who step out of line like that isn't going to work. I made a post before this about holding ourselves accountable with I'll just repost here now: Discussion is the key. Perhaps that sounds a bit kumbaya, but you have to realize that if you shoot people just because they made an unauthorized shot you're probably going to hit a disgruntled townie. I'd also be interested in seeing you post more kita. I agree with you here MZ. Kita wants to punish players who have the biggest possibility of being townies. Other then that the post is very generic advice in his first post which is always a bitch to get done as scum. He basicly said nothing that all with that post that people shouldn't have realized on their own. | ||
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On June 12 2012 20:54 marvellosity wrote: Well the difference is, Meapak, that yours was a tad wishy washy. The sentiment behind kitaman's post is clear. If town signals its ABSOLUTE INTENT to punish with the highest form of punishment, then it discourages rogue shooters. I'm fairly sure kita recognises your 'concerns', but the point is it discourages an anti-town mode of doing things. If you explicitly say, 'well, except in this case, or the result is this' then you weaken the sentiment. No? Marv, why are you talking on behalf of Kita? You might even say you are defending him. While I do not disagree with you points I find it funny that you know how Kita thinks... | ||
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In other news: I think MrZentor might be scum. Go look at his filter. He very clearly have been following the thread. On June 12 2012 05:26 MrZentor wrote: I never thought of that, Gonzaw. o.0 But he haven't really put any thought in what he have posted. He seems to jut be posting in order to increase his filter. He also seemed to get very defence for no appearrant reason during his only real response in the thread: On June 12 2012 02:30 MrZentor wrote: He was trying to copy my reason for being suspicious of Rastaban, but he confused Rastaban with chaoser. FAIL On June 12 2012 02:34 FreelanceSatan wrote: I just woke up bro. And im not trying to "copy your reason" im agreeing with it. highlighting it and supporting it. You dont like when people support your reads?? On June 12 2012 02:35 MrZentor wrote: There's nothing wrong with copying as long as you do it accurately and add on your own ideas. I have an irrational fear of being misquoted. >.< So any reads MrZentor? Anything? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [referance] + On June 12 2012 10:11 marvellosity wrote: Fairly likely he'd be GF yea. To toad: I agree totally with the mentality and actually came back to the thread to make an EBWOP about it. A townie miller would be well aware that claiming miller would arise suspicion and discussion. VE was a townie miller claiming day 1 recently and he openly admitted that he would be scrutinised for it. I don't see the townie mentality for multiple times casting suspicion on anyone wanting to think about the claim. He very specifically says there are no drawbacks in his claim post. No, townie miller would know that was a drawback and be upfront about it. | ||
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On June 12 2012 22:30 marvellosity wrote: You mean his gun apparently being taken away? Yes. And the hit and the medic protect. | ||
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On June 12 2012 23:17 MrZentor wrote: RoL is most likely miller, as I doubt the mafia would make up something like that; the only suspicious thing is that now he appears exactly like a normal mafia goon (appears red and can't shoot), we might want to kill him in the future if we don't kill anybody who has the gun stealing role. Originally, I was leaning toward Gonzaw being scum, but his posts have gotten more townie. However, he's still the most suspicious person, so I agree that we should have him shoot. If we can't find an optimal person to shoot, I would encourage him to shoot into risk.nuke, Kenpachi, and payl. Obviously we wouldn't allow him to choose who he shoots. I'm confused... You want to shoot Gonsaw as he is the most suspecion to you right now. But you also want to shoot one of the lurker if we fail to find an optimal person to shoot. Isn't gonsaw an optimal person if you find him scummy? Or are you just covering your ass in case we do end up shooting gonsaw and he flips scum so you can say "Yeah I was totally supporting that lynch!" | ||
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On June 12 2012 23:41 MrZentor wrote: You misread what I said. I wanted to have Gonzaw shoot somebody else. Oh... Carry on.... | ||
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On June 13 2012 05:09 VisceraEyes wrote: By which obviously I mean I'm done posting - I'm still watching. EVER VIGILANT!!!!! Lurker... | ||
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On June 13 2012 04:55 Toadesstern wrote: RoL is the kind of player that lurks 47.9 hours just to ninja vote in the last 3 minnutes if I remember correctly. WBG was mafia together with him that game. Just saying, if he's not coming back we should have a #2 ready to shoot :p RoL will lurk forever. And constantly excuse why he havent posted while at the same time promising to do so. He does so as both town or mafia. I wouldn't wait around for him tbh. I don't get why gonsaw is so afraid of claiming his full role. Scum already know now that he is a blue (or their buddy). Whats the big difference if he is medic/doc/watcher.. I also don't get the 324 or whatever.. The only reasons I can think of is that he is having a hard time figuring out how to fake claim properly or feels like he is already outed as scum and is thus wasting our time. I really want him dead by now. I disagree with wiggles about having RoL to shoot. If he can or can't shoot does solve the problem that it comes down to if we believe his miller claim or not. If he shoots and actually kill someone he might be the GF. (most likely because why lie about all the gun stealing biz?) If he (tries to) shoot and no one dies we still don't know i he is a miller telling the truth or a lying scum goon. So all in all it doesn't matter. | ||
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I just feel like its wasting our time waiting around for RoL. He isn't the most active guy and is away for large periods of time usually... Maybe its just because I don't think he can shoot. Why lie about all that night action stuff if he is able to actually shoot. I can't fathom a scenario where anyone would take such risk? | ||
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While I think most of his post are made in a town-like fashion his switch regarding gonsaw did stand out. Below are 3 posts of his. They were made by rastaban in consecutive order.. On June 13 2012 00:32 rastaban wrote: Wow that's an incredibly bold claim. Are you that good at picking out scum, because I got a townie vibe so it is quite shocking for me to see someone so certain. Maybe I am being too sure of things I shouldn't be. I had him pegged as stupid Towney for the giant plan that failed due to not even reading the OP. I like to think that ROL is actually the miller so his defense of him seems like something mafia wouldn't due (sticking their neck out for someone else), especially after they apparently tried to hit last night (Missing KP and no one else claiming to have been hit). I haven't seen you give strong arguments for his guilt though(maybe I missed it)... are you swayed by Marv's reasoning or do you have your own? On June 13 2012 02:06 rastaban wrote: I say we have Gonzaw shoot payl. We find out if Gonzow has a gun and if he does, we off the single post Smurf. I have a feeling at least one if not more of the mafia are in the lurking crowd intentionally or not and it is causing confusion in the Mafia ranks. If gonzaw won't fire lets let chaoser kill him. He goes from having a townie read on gonzaw -> wanting him to shoot or get shoot -> straight up killing him (after his claim to be unable to shoot) On June 13 2012 03:38 rastaban wrote: @gonzaw But the whole point is that you can't shoot. I thought you could shoot, so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you. Claim your role if you are town. The bolded part is also weird. Its not "I changed my read because you are unable to shoot". Its "many others think you are scum so I also want you dead". Its this setup equivelant of bandwagoning... | ||
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On June 13 2012 09:25 chaoser wrote: Just pick yourself up and go at it again. It's not like one mistake means the end of the game. What chaoser said basicly. So supersoft is most likely town-aligned. (There might be a framer but the chance of him being on supersoft are very low) I don't really understand the replacements? Did they ask for replacement or what? I'm guessing wbg did since he ended with "good luck" or something. But kita posts like he want to continue? Also kenpachi havent posted at all since early n0. | ||
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