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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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Hello Marv  : I'm almost tempted to policy vote you due to how scary good you played with me as scum in LIV. Policy lynches are bad though so your safe until you post more.I don't think WBG's opening comment is alignment charged. there are equal reasons for both town and scum to open up D1 with general common sense posts. From the 2 games I've played (Noobie VIII and TLMafia LIV) and N_T has been lurky/bored as townie and hyper-active as scum. Just saying. Navillus, despite still being a noob I am strongly against a 'voting against vets' policy. It makes no sense and seems hugely anti-town, unless its a joke. Let me know if it is because until then [b]##Vote Navillus[/b | ||
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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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On May 22 2012 04:34 Nova_Terra wrote: Rofl, well thats interesting, it looks like i just went through your newbie game (snmmIX not VIII, bitch to find) and in that game there was an understanding that my town meta was very very active which i ended up failing at as scum, and my meta change was frequently noted in cases against me. Very interesting that you would want to try to make this conclusion. what reason would there be other than scum? [b]##Unvote ##Vote: Froggynoddy Ok need to check that again as it was from memory. As you found it do you mind linking it here? Regardless my accusation was qualified by stating that I'd only played with you in 2 games and so was weak at best, hence why I did not vote for you. Secondly if what you say is true it only proves I have bad memory, not my alignment. Wait... is this OMGUS? N_T... we all know how that ended for you last game (i.e. you wasted of town discussion wondering whether you were bad town or scum) , and that its an even crappier reason to vote for me than my memory of your play is. You seem a even jumpier this game? You scum bro? | ||
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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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My issue with you this game though, is that you could pointed out all that you have without putting your OMGUS (and yes.. it is OMGUS) vote on me. And I'll tell you why acting reasonably and calmly when defending yourself is a better play as townie:
That said there are WIFOM reasons for scum to act like this also. I just think that you are 'mafia seasoned' enough that you can't pull the 'overreacting noob card'. I still think you might just be an excitable fellow, but bear in mind that people are more likely (in my, albeit limited, experience) to believe you if you act calmly without jumping to illogical conclusions. | ||
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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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On May 22 2012 05:29 Tunkeg wrote: Reads d1 of Day1 Acrofalis/Marvellosity: Leaning town based on Acrofalis aggression while he was in game. He tried to get this game going, and tried to apply some pressure. EchelonTee: Leaning town. He went into a fight with Acrofalis from the get go, and haven't been afraid to stick his head out. Zealos Get some scumvibes off him. He started the game by voting VE as number two, without a good reason. He claims it to be a joke later (which it might be). He then proceeds to vote Acrofales based on ET's case, and because of meta, basicly sheeping ET. The rest of his filter seems very empty, even though he got more post than most in this game. Some townpoints for actually bother to answer questions. Mattchew He might be one of those I called out for not posting earlier, that is a scum. I don't know what he is trying to do, but if his postingstyle continues this way he will be disruptive townie at best, and sabotaging scum at worst. Leaning scum for now. Nova_Terra Leaning scum. He was active at the start, but unlike Acrofalis his attempts at pushing seems more forced, and with no real weight behind it. His whole postingstyle seems very non-commital and gives me scumvibes. Also Navillus need to get in the thread and do some more. His vote on WBG is the only thing he have done. And it was done without much reasoning, and in my opinion strange reasoning. PS: I know you guys don't like list. But I want to do lists so bare with me. PS 2: This is not an analysis post. It is a read post. When I am ready to put my vote down on someone I will try to make a good case/analysis on them. Exception is if there is a great case on them that I agree with, then I will be open about sheeping it, and probably just add some of my own reasoning to it. This list... serves no purpose other than making you look active. Town reads are worse than useless day 1 as 1. they are even weaker than day 1 scumreads and 2. points to scum who to kill to cause confusion. EDIT: There was more but WBG and Navillus covered it whilst I was writing + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2012 05:37 Navillus wrote: Okaaay so my WBG vote was a joke, I do not actually think it's a good idea to lynch one of our 2 vets on that basis alone and I am not really of the opinion that advice is an automatic scum-tell, it'd be nice to have a little benefit of the doubt on me not being an idiot. Next ##Unvote ##Vote: Mattchew As far as I can tell he's just posting with flavor text from mtg cards, if that continues I don't really care if he's scum or town it makes him impossible to read, doesn't let him contribute, and makes for a really shitty atmosphere. Mattchew stop it. On N_T yes VE and WBG I'd say he's using pretty bad method of scumhunting/analysis and his vote is for a dumb reason, but that doesn't make him scum and aside from clear-cut examples of someone being useless or disruptive (such as restricting their posts to text from a card game) it's a bad idea to lynch someone for bad play, in my experience it's rarely a scumtell and depending on how they're playing badly it can be more of a town tell. Tunkeg you asked a bunch of questions earlier, most of them were ignored, was there any point to them? Why don't you care that people didn't answer you/why aren't you following up? Also why post that list, if you have scum reads why aren't you just pressuring them instead of telling them, and how does telling everyone your town-reads do anything but let scum know who you think is townie and so light them up as targets? Holy spam batman! NT scum or town please stop with multiple one or two line posts in a row, it's distracting and makes the thread harder to read through, consolidate. How is voting for Mattchew due to his posting style (which you consider to be *Bad*) different to voting N_T based on bad play? I don't necessarily disagree with you I just think you're being a little inconsistent. Shoot I forgot to unvote as promised: ##Unvote ##Vote Katina Inactive players kill town. Katina, my vote stays on you until you make an appearance. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 23 2012 13:39 Nova_Terra wrote: hey at least with me here it looks like the game is really active and people take sides on stuff Yeah but useless stuff in terms of scumhunting. I have been inactive due to work and sunny weather. Have been catching up on the thread this morning. I unfortunately did not get to put my vote off Katina as I only got back to the thread post lynch. If I had done I would have probably voted N_T. @VE: Perhaps I'm being thick but are your suspicions on WBG simply because you think he's been dodging you? That seems an exceedingly stupid thing to do as scum no? @Acid: Are you still confident on a marv lynch? Your case on him seems like the strongest so far (which still isnt much tbf). | ||
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froggynoddy
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On May 23 2012 21:04 marvellosity wrote: You're not going to get one that satisfies you, I fear. I want scum and/or anti-town dead. I voted for scum (or so I thought) and at the time Nova seemed like a good vig shot, townie or not. Is this pushing a scum agenda? Maybe you could interpret it that way, but it's not the case. froggy, you should certainly know I'm not so openly risky as scum. Anyway, I have other people on my mind now. Here's hoping Nova makes some kickass cases to disprove my scepticism. As has been said previously killing a townie, even a bad townie is bad for town. If you think NT is bad townie then you simply ignore everything he's been saying (as I have decided to do now) unless he starts developing scummy traits as opposed to just stupid ones. BOLDED TEXT: This does not satisfy me and seems really dodgy to me. You admit that your behaviour could be considered scummy and then fail to show how is is not. Demonstrate how it is demonstrates a townie agenda rather than just stating 'i look scummy, but I'm not, you can trust me' | ||
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froggynoddy
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On May 24 2012 04:58 Zealos wrote: I thought the jeb was the "most likely" candidate for mafia at the time, as he came up with nothing useful, and the moment he was pressured he backed down again. I also felt he was more likely to be town than mafia, but either way was going to be useless. The reason I got jumbled was that I failed to explain the difference between me thinking he was more likely than not mafia, and me thinking he is the person most likely to be mafia. You voted for someone who was more likely town than mafia??? | ||
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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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On May 24 2012 07:19 HiroPro wrote: Oh look, your "number one scumread" died. How convenient. Guess that gives you more time to post useless questions and lists, huh. ##Vote Tunkeg This makes no sense whatsoever. | ||
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froggynoddy
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This being said I have both Hiro and N_T are leaning scum. The former because of his aggressive tunnelling of Tunkeg on very little evidence (change of playstyle argument: did it occur to you that perhaps its more difficult to change how you think/play than by just simply announcing it; regardless I fail to see how this change of playstyle is in anyway alignment-dependent) and a lot of OMGUS. The latter because of his pretty disruptive D1 behaviour coupled with his recent 'cooling down' as soon as pressure subsided. NT, If you truly think the way you played D1 is a constructive way of playing townie why not continue? Been rebuked in scum-QT perhaps? Of the two I think I would like an NT lynch, but mainly because if Hiro is not scum then its highly likely that Zealos and N_T are scumbuddies.: On May 24 2012 20:02 Nova_Terra wrote: Got a couple pages to catch up on, just saw this I would support an acid lynch and to some extent zealos, but I think theres a high chance of him being a frustrated townie Soft defence much? ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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Zelblade needs to post, however I don't feel like his behaviour is alignment dependent. Firstly, there's a difference between lurking and inactivity (the former can be scummy, particularly if there are a few lurkers to hide in; the latter IMHO is alignment independent at this stage). I still feel like N_T and either Hiro or Zealos are most likely scum. Zealos due to Marv's case and hiro because of obvious bandwagoning of Zealos with a very weak case should Zealos not flip scum. | ||
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froggynoddy
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However when he was pressured to make a case from Marv who does he pick? Katina. Probably the easiest case to write as even when she is town she lurks like crazy. It seems like N_T desperately needed a case (see my case on Grush in LIV when I was encouraged by scummate to write a case). Note that similar reasoning could be applied to Hiro, hence my mentioning him quite a few times. I didn't vote for Mouldy due to not having been able to post since lynch time and his lacklustre play had not occurred when I went inactive. | ||
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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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On May 25 2012 06:11 Nova_Terra wrote: thats okay that you have your little ideas and "optimal posting" meanwhile I'll push my biggest scumread regardless if you criticize my case for being against someone you deem easiest to make a case on or not Simply the fact that the case is an "easy one" and its so hard to get a group on her makes me think that shes even more likely scum The reason why your Katina case is getting no steam is because people are debating about the Zs and kinda ignoring everything else thats happening. I'm going to ignore what you think about your case on me as: 1. I've already said why; 2. If your scum (which I think is a better than odds chance of you being) I don't care about your opinion 3. As town you are playing, at first stupid, now inconsistently given your stubborn behaviour in Day1 and I don't expect you to have the open mindedness to accept that you were wrong (like I did regarding your meta for example) To all those voting Zellblade, why vote for him rather than Katina? The latter has been lurky as opposed to inactive (which seems scummier) and any reliance on 'maybe he's got a special night power' is a completely useless hypothesis as inactivity can have a huge array of motivation behind it, lurkiness less so. | ||
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