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23. Forumite 24. Manason 25. On May 23 2012 23:49 Toadesstern wrote: /in I've got time like crazy right now and the next couple of weeks. you either forgot about me or ignored me  | ||
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Here I am, waiting for the perfect number to be next in the list, not signing up all the time and once 25 is up he signs me up under 14 | ||
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On May 26 2012 07:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Guys, since I learned how well arrogance works last game, I need to top that effort. With this in mind I present you with the scum list before the roles are distributed: Mattchew Pandian Hassybaby phagga grush57 MidnightGladius GG scum, you can resign now + Show Spoiler + I think telling the scum they can resign will be my catchphrase ok so I see this and want to do the same. Go to http://www.random.org/ to get my own 6 pre-game mafias, I type in 1 to 30 and get 17, awesome that's this guy: Sinensis. Next guy was someone else, the third guy was again 17, next guy someone else and 5th guy Sinensis again. That's right I rolled 3 times a 17 on a 30number dice with 5 times rolling the dice. I let you decide wether or not that is a coincidence + Show Spoiler + Not even faked :p | ||
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I plan on running for mayor The 2 major aspects of my candidacy:
Point 1 is easily proven (not gonna lie, cpy & pasted): + Show Spoiler [d1 reads from my last 5 games] + L: Erandorr, turned out red. Next one: Sandroba, turned out red AC: Schworz My one big failure, but that guy fakeclaimed DT and told people he got a red check on my mod-confirmed bodyguard in a game without framers as a townie, lol. Ever since that happened I just completly lost myself and derped the game. Storm: RoL, WBG, VE RoL was the strongest read but he basicly claimed mafia in the thread so that doesn't count. WBG flipped mafia, VE flipped SK, pick one of those C9++ #2: VE, guy flipped mafia I feel like I forgot a game as townie and I'm pretty sure my main mafia read that game was wrong as well but don't know for sure, so just take these. So as you can see my best d1-read is usually incredible good while I myself have no idea why. I am having huge troubles to explain what I am seeing in people when I am a townie which led to the believe that it's my intuition, which again, was proven horribly wrong when I attempted to play AC completly on the fly, just by intuition. And everyone knows how that game went :p I'm not saying the people I listed above got lynched d1 but that I told people those are my strongest reads d1 and noone wanted to lynch them because I wasn't able to explain why I wanted them lynched properly which sounds weird for most people (understandable) because it could just as well be a mafia who does not want to explain his reads because he knows they're wrong. So basicly: Look at that statistic. I am going to give you mafia or at least not-town d1 unless some jackass townie fakeclaiming DT and a red check on a modconfirmed green comes along screwing my radar and pissing me off. About point 2: I think I am reeeeeeally good when getting mafia. Not because my mafia play is incredible good but because I think I am really good at making it look exactly the same way my townplay looks. In general vets (except for syllo) told me my mafia play is good. WBG claimed VE and I did the best action TL-mafia has ever seen from a pair of mafias in LI. Rad keeps telling me I'm unreadable and so does WBG. Most of the times people play with me for the first time as mafia they think I am pretty much confirmed townie. Remember the Annul disaster? I was a mafia and Annul asked people in the thread who is the most likely / best townread in general and people (like Rad) said it's me resulting in me getting a free day-vig shot as mafia. That's not because I'm good at playing mafia but I am incredible good at making it look like a townie no matter how retarded the situation might be. Doing mistakes on purpose because I think my town-self would do the same mistake in that situation and being very transparent as mafia. People have a really hard time figuring you out like that. So I'm probably going to have a really hard time to make my alignment clear because people are giving me a really hard time due to my play as mafia. I'd usually say the way to figure me out is derpage or reads but since I told you that I can at least fake derpage myself. So you might ask yourself: wtf Toad. Why are you telling us you're scary as mafia? Fear not for I am not mafia this game and I will have a hard time proving that because people think I am unreadable. So let me propose we solve both issues at once. You make me mayor, I give you a dead mafia d1, you will be at ease for a moment unless all the jubjubs appear telling people "well that could be Toad bussing his buddy d1!!!!!" until I make you lynch into my next strongest read again :p So basicly my candidacy is based on lynching whoever I think is the best shot we have at getting anti-town. That will most likely not be the guy town in general wants dead but someone most people will agree on, that he's looking suspicious. If I lynch into some guy that town thinks is the most suspicious that's not an alignment tell at all (for you guys) unless I was heavily pushing him myself, rendering the plan useless That's it, reading the thread now :p | ||
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On May 27 2012 23:05 supersoft wrote: "So you might ask yourself: wtf Toad. Why are you telling us you're scary as mafia?" may I add, that you didnt answer this question? I think we should lynch you for that nonsensepost. You're talking too much about your mafiaplay there. If you don't end up being EXTREMELY I really won't change my mind. Remember the Annul disaster? - I knew you were red, remember? next time examine the playerlist more carefully. You sir, are screwed. I said that because I want to answer the question wether or not I am mafia this game by lynching mafia d1 because apparently people are not able to figure me out no matter of alignment. You're just another proof for that this game :p Easy as that. | ||
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On May 27 2012 23:17 supersoft wrote: okay? You basically prove me right there: accusing you for terrible play is not allowed because you're unreadable anyway? I never did that. I said people tend to agree that I am really hard to read, no matter of alignment and that's what the majority of vets keep saying about me. That's why I want to be mayor. IF I'm town I'll lynch mafia IF I'm mafia I'll lynch town and try to get out of the mislynch with some horsecrap "well everyone is wrong from time to time". I'm offering a possibility to figure me out d1 when the majority of vets claim that I'm unreadable. That's basicly it. | ||
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On May 27 2012 23:18 supersoft wrote: dude okay, I know your townplay. As townie, you'd try to explain things. You lazy scum now try to attack my credibility instead of discussing my points. dude I did one post, a mayorial campaign and I'm not going to explain shit at all until later tonight because I'm off in 10 minutes and won't bother reading the thread before I'm back lol. What lack of explanation is so worrying about my first post? The lack of explanation of my first (non existing, because haven't read the thread yet) lynch target? | ||
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On May 27 2012 23:26 supersoft wrote: "IF I'm town I'll lynch mafia" yeah sure. You got a really bad scumplayer in your team who wants to quit the game early?! come on. I'll never buy this shit. We both know, that you dont own the scumteamlist. How can you be so certain about that. Bullshit. Now you're wifoming around - trying to produce some Text to fog the whole case. Provide some analysis. I dont fall for empty words. idk, my last 2 games I was preeeetty hard owning as town. In Storm I gave a list with 5 names of possible mafias which ended up including 3 mafias although VE ended up being MVP that game because he somehow managed to get an even better list making a list of 4 or 5 people that included all 4 mafias (if I remember correclty). In C9++ #2 I said #1 mafia is either A or B, #2 mafia is C, #3 mafia is either D or E while saying everyone else is surely town and it ended up being A, C and E. So yeah I am quite confident that I'll lynch into a mafia d1 right now. | ||
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Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ | ||
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On May 28 2012 01:02 grush57 wrote: Okay, getting 3 out of 5 mafia right isn't an achievement. In LIV, I predicted a lot of the mafia aswell even though I was the "scum mvp" You figured 100% mafias out (including two wrongs, making it 3 out of 5) on d1 as well? But yeah I'd say that's quite good for d1 On May 28 2012 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah man, owning scum includes leading town to lynch said threats...If just KNOWING who are scum is enough to "own scumteams" then I'd be one of the most feared individuals on this site. As it stands I'm kinda a joke...so its whatever. You know I can't do that People don't trust me and I can't explain shit, therefore noone is willing to lynch who I want to lynch although I'm almost right every time. That's why I want to be mayor, that way I don't need to get you to follow me. I just lynch mafia d1 on my own, you guys see I'm town and will get shot n1. Well that WAS the reasoning and it was totally fine with me :p | ||
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On May 28 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I think if there's a lyncher in play, then it makes sense for them to run for mayor if they feel semi-confident in coming out of the election alright. That's also why it's important that we elect someone based on their Day 1 play, and not any future promises, and that we elect someone we believe strongly to be town. I'm not that scared of there being a lyncher since I don't think he'd be able to get enough support to be elected, if we're smart about it. I think anyone who's being lined up to become mayor must provide a case on who they want to lynch before they're elected or else we pull out support for them. This will make it harder for scum and potentially a lyncher since they'll be forced to come up with some fake analysis on Day 1, which is hard to make sound sincere. If we don't like what the mayor is saying at that point, or their analysis is fake and contrived, then we can vote for someone else. I don't get how he's my main competitor since I'm running for both positions, but would just prefer the pardoner since I know I'm town with 100% certainty. Also, most people are just going to vote for a mayor, not a mayor/pardoner, so we're going to end up with two mayoral candidates who have the most votes, and the runner-up is pardoner. On a side-note, is Strongandbig even still running? But, to answer your question, I don't think he's a good candidate. He basically has no platform, and he hasn't done anything to show that he's town. A lot of his posting is just about that thing with BH that has no bearing on the game. As well, he's unclear with what he's saying about how he'll use the power. He says he probably won't use the power, but then a couple sentences later he says he'll use it if he has a strong town-read. That shows that he's willing to just use the power if he doesn't agree with what the majority of town (remember, this is majority lynch) are thinking. I don't want a pardoner who's going to use his power just because he doesn't agree completely with the lynch. He also says he'll try to bring it up early if he wants to use the power, but that doesn't make much sense, since early on, there won't be a majority on someone. Realistically, a clear lynch target will only really appear in the last half of the day. So, overall, I don't think he's a good candidate for pardoner at all. Like I said, I think I'm a good candidate, and out of other people, ET is the best candidate. The office should be made up of myself and ET. Why did you claim like this? My major gripe with what you've said so far, is that it doesn't seem like you're willing to put in the effort on Day 1 to show that you're town. As well, you can't be held accountable for anything you've said until after you get elected. Now you throw in this claim, which also can't be verified until after Day 1. Also, why even claim? Mason is a very strong role, especially in this set-up, because masons are confirmed town to the person they talk to. If you hit a townie with your mason, it would have been great for analysis, and if you hit a blue, then they could instantly role-claim to you and share their actions. That's pretty huge. Instead, you choose to waste the role by claiming on Day 1. Why? Why are you so desperate to get elected as mayor? It's not like a town player is useless after Day 1. At this point, it's starting to look like you're a lyncher or assassin who's going all-in on Day 1 to kill his target with the lynch. Mostly because I think I'm dead by the end of n1 or n2 anyways. About the accountability: Of course I can't. Noone can be held accountable before they get elected... If I were 3rd party or mafia I'd go for the long game as already pointed out: I don't think people are able to read me when I'm mafia so no need to do something like this, which means I want to be mayor because otherwise I'm dead before people listen to me | ||
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On May 28 2012 04:14 grush57 wrote: We just didn't want to vote you as mayor, I don't even know why a townie should tell his blue role in this in this case. because a townie wants a townie to be elected | ||
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On May 28 2012 04:23 jaj22 wrote: Yes, but the prominent candidates were very likely to put in campaigns regardless. I'd have been surprised if BH, ET and VE hadn't put in a campaign, while strongandbig and Wiggles aren't even pushing for mayor. I suppose Toad is now a plausible lyncher, as his claim can't be "proved" until day 2. Would be a risky play though. Hmm. Lyncher/assassin targets will probably be flavour-related, and I suspect around half the named characters are town. Not sure about a lyncher with a scum target from a balance POV though, so you might be right for other reasons. @Toad: I notice that your correct day 1 reads are all veterans. What do you think of the veterans so far in this game? give me some time about it. I posted my mayoral candidacy once I read my role PM without reading the thread and had to go due to some sports and I'm now back and reading :p Will give you some thoughts in some time. I casually looked through it and got some basic ideas but nothing more so far. | ||
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On May 28 2012 04:49 jaj22 wrote: Because you want to do what's best for town, right? Right? best for town is to lynch a mafia but sure I'm fine taking the pardoner to be shot n1 and making sure it never gets used as well. But I'd rather be more useful than that. | ||
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On May 28 2012 05:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Based on the player list, why do you think you'd end up dead on Night 1 or 2? There's other players on the list who would be higher on a shooting list for scum, and then add in your insistence that you're hard to read. If you were really that hard to read, then mafia would leave you alive to use as a scape-goat/mislynch on later days, not shoot you on Night 1. What you're saying seems contradictory. Your claim doesn't do anything to show or prove that you're a townie, though, or at least not until after you're elected, which I've already pointed out is a problem. Why is it a problem. You are not acountable before you act either but for you I'm either a townie or a lyncher right now, correct? Let's be honest, worst case I lynch the guy I need to lynch if I am a lyncher and you have the most disruptive guy in the game out of the game because if I really am a lyncher I will be kicking, screaming and punching to get that guy lynched and you have a true-rnd policy lynch because I assume that the target of a lyncher can be both, mafia or town (or 3rd party). So the worst case scenario would be you get rid of a anti-Town guy (that's me if I am a lyncher) because I don't care about lynching mafia at all, you know that mafia is not Mayor because there's no mayor left (that guy is going to die soon anyways without a BG) and you've got a kind-of-policy lynch thingy. That doesn't sound so bad to me. And let's be honest again, I did not realize that a mason would be awesome for the lyncher as well as you pointed out but I'm going to make sure you guys know I'm town within the next 24 hours so give me some time and let me do my job, I will give updates on my reads and explain them. And I don't need some guy to poke me nonstop yelling "toad give update, toad give update NAO" when I said I'm busy today and only started to read the thread an hour ago. | ||
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