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shot night 1 so very much noob still | ||
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Hope I live longer....ObsQT is fun, but it's more fun mixing it up with everyone. >.> | ||
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On April 20 2012 09:11 yomi wrote: /in Ahhhh....we meet again. >.> | ||
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On April 20 2012 13:06 yomi wrote: hurry up and start this I have the mafia bug now Let me live for more than 1 night and I'll cure ya of that. >  | ||
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On April 21 2012 01:05 GreYMisT wrote: + Show Spoiler + GreYMisT is Coaching! SO? Do you want to learn to be a badass like this guy? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LzFCb.jpg) Well lets take a look at what he has that you don't! 1) A cool jacket Cape thing! 2) Smoke effects! 3) A Blue-Eyes White Dragon! Will these things help you in mafia? OF COURSE! Just Look at what people are saying about GreYMisT Coaching! "I can't believe I have met someone better at mafia than me" -Ace "This man...Is a God" -Foolishness "I kill GreYMisT BEFORE mafia games start, he's that good" -Palmar "He is clearly more attractive than the rest of us" -GMarshal Well what are you waiting for? Contact your local GreYMisT and GET YOUR BLUE-EYES TODAY! Bitch please! I AM THE KING OF GAMES. ##youactivatedmytrapcard | ||
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I better get a pre-invite. | ||
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On April 23 2012 06:10 MajuGarzett wrote: I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia. Why wouldn't someone need help this early? When I played my first game, I was bugging my coach a day and a half before it started. Not too many people have posted so far. Game started like 5 hours or so earlier than we expected, so I guess that's natural. But I will be checking to see who hasn't posted so we can start making people talk. The most important thing is for everyone to be active. If we allow people not to post, it also allows scum not to post, which is the easiest way for them to play. I would highly suggest that everyone make a notepad file or excel sheet and start keeping tabs of who they think is giving off townie and scummy vibes. As the game gets longer, it will be very helpful to have a quick guide to go back to for remembering how you felt about everyone. It will help you when you re-read filters as well to see how it lines up with the notes you've taken. As it stands, there are now 7 people who haven't posted yet. Last game we nearly lynched scum Day 1 because we had some really good discussion going right out of the gate. For example: Maju's idea to lynch lurkers. It's so standard that it's not even really worth discussing, BUT it's the only thing that's been brought up, so when you make your first post, post your thoughts on it. My personal thought is I want the game to be active enough that we don't have to, but if you won't talk, you can hang. Discuss! (P.S. Zealos stop acting so scummy, unless you *are* scum, in which case continue so we can lynch you first. <3) | ||
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##FoS: Zealos for being called out for scummy behavior last night and not responding to it. I'd like to see your responses to this accusation, and specifically why you think posts like: On April 23 2012 05:30 Zealos wrote: So you ask people the question to pressure them to make an answer, then follow by telling them that it was only to get them to answer. Nice. and other such 1 line responses are helpful to town and not indicitave of scum behavior. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yomi's play is already confusing. His first post was a random vote against a guy whose filter is reading very much like a first time town player (slightly clueless, but learning, active, and interested). His filter since then is full of gems like: On April 23 2012 10:13 yomi wrote: I'm not moving off maju atm he is a total dunce/mafia so not much lost if he ends up town anyway. On April 23 2012 11:31 yomi wrote: I'm voting for you because you are stupid or mafia but you cannot be a good townie. You don't vote to get rid of "dunces." You lynch to hit scum. If you don't think he's scum, there's no reason to vote him. On April 23 2012 15:36 yomi wrote: i told you why I voted for you. btw you are annoying i'm not talking to you any more for the next 12 hours More 1-liners and aggression. Yomi's filter reads like Scum 101 right now -- he started a fight with a player, mucked up the thread with a bunch of nonsense, posted a couple of 1-liners he thought might make him look townie, then disappeared and hoped people would look at Maju instead of him. It didn't work on me. ##Vote: yomi Yomi, if you'd like to rebutt, focus on hunting scum instead of your rabid defense and pointless bickering strategy. | ||
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On April 24 2012 05:16 yomi wrote: I'm not going to go through and run a search on all of you guys. post your dam games or at least say if you're played or not y/n how can this request meet so much disagreement and noncompliance? Doing your research is all part of the game. You should have already done this if you're town and trying to do meta-reads. Also quite the aggressive way to get people to do it. I'm not sure why you're trying to draw attention to the way people have played in the other games. You're posting is pretty close to how you acted in our last game (Newbie 8), where you were scum, and I also put my vote on you Day 1. Furthermore, posting metaplay in the main thread is distracting -- anyone who's interested has already done it, and if there's not a case being made based on it, it's pointless to bring it in without having a relevant discussion attached. It's entirely different if you're bringing up someone's filter from another game specifically to make a case. Without making cases, it's another way to fluff up your post count without actually contributing anything, plus it brings up easy ways to WIFOM and distract the thread into a meaningless discussion. Side note -- I'm loathe to do connection play this early, but I find it highly interesting that the only person so far to follow along with this idea of yours to post our game history is my 2nd strongest scumread right now. @Zealos, your filter still reads full of one-liners, a negative attitude, and a whole bunch of posting without saying anything. I'd like your best scum read so far, based on the information we have, and why? @imallinson -- you're lurking HARD right now, with only 1 post. Step up and contribute. Same question -- top scum read, and why? @oneplus -- same thing from you. You have a couple of very short list posts, with one particularly alarming bit: On April 23 2012 23:33 oneplus wrote: But I don't think Yomi is scum because it's simply too dangerous for scum to act in such way, high chance he will be lynch if he randomly target someone in this case who is Maju. If you haven't read the newbie guide yet, go look up WIFOM and read about it. Talking about motivations leads you in circles. So if yomi isn't a scum in your mind -- who is, and why? | ||
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On April 24 2012 14:52 mutant wrote: @ArcticFox: What does ##FoS mean? It's shorthand for "Finger of Suspicion". It means I believe he's scum and I'm keeping an eye on him. There's a nice list of all the often used abbreviations in the newbie guides. On April 24 2012 15:26 oneplus wrote: @Arctic, I don't fluff my post so it is always short and simple straight to the point, the more fluffy your post are the more scummy you are. Also, I think you didn't go through my post clear enough as you ask the question I have already answer which I said Zealos is a decent vote after trying to protect Yomi as his play is too aggresive to be mafia. It's all good to read other players past games but it is really bad to use the past information to convince people in the current one. You has also started to bring your previous game information into this one where you had voted yomi as one of the evidence to vote yomi. I never said you needed to fluff up your posts. I said that so far your 2 short posts hadn't said anything, and I was right. I wanted you to contribute more, which you've started to do. As for the "it's bad to use past information" part, showing connections to how someone acted when they were town/scum in a previous game is an important skill to have, and if it strengthens your case, it can be helpful to link it or show it. But blindly just linking all your past games is just an easy way to say you're bringing in information without actually adding anything relevant. It's a complete scum move. Now, with that out of the way -- my greatest concern this morning is that we have 3 people with votes on them, and the votes are all over the place. The lynch is an extended majority lynch, meaning with 12 alive, we'll need 7 votes to lynch anyone. The vote is in 10 hours. I would like us to get to a consensus on a good lynch target. I wouldn't be opposed to a no-lynch if there were no suspects, but we have 4 legitimate targets, and the field needs to be narrowed down. MajuGarrett -- The case has already been made against him, and I have my own opinions on it, but I'm far more interested in what he has to say in his own defense, so I want to see him post again before I jump to any conclusions. Zealos -- A lot of issue was made (started by me, actually) about his negative seeming comments at the start of the game. His last couple of posts show some effort, but again, I want to see what Maju has to say about the case before I comment on it. He still seems red, not a bad lynch choice, but I think there are better. yomi -- My case is clear, and has yet to be refuted. yomi's posting has become no better since then, and my vote remains here until I'm convinced otherwise. imallinson -- If yomi isn't lynched, this is my 2nd choice. He's posted once, said nothing of substance, and disappeared. Could be disinterested town, but he's playing much more like a lurking scum so far. We have 10 hours left, and we need more active discussion than what we've had. Let's step it up a bit. Specifically I'd like the people who haven't voted yet to place your vote somewhere so we can start narrowing down this list more. I'd also like Maju to say what he thinks of Zealos' case against him. I'd also like imallinson to say anything of substance. | ||
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On April 25 2012 01:00 yomi wrote: trying to hide information all true statements but you just made a meta argument yourself but this IS a connection play I don't think you get what this phrase "WIFOM" means. It doesn't mean you don't look at motivations. It means you don't confuse yourself with levels and levels of guessing games. "He knows that I know that he knows etc". The first one or two levels of guessing games are pretty much the only way to find mafia at all. Mafia will attempt to act in their best interest. Therefore if you identify a move you think benefits mafia, and someone makes that move, they are probably mafia. Do you agree with this reasoning? And if so how is it not "talking about motivations".[/QUOTE] Let's break this down step by step: 1) I'm not trying to hide information. All the information is out there. I'm saying I shouldn't do your work for you because you can't be assed to do it. Posting my game history when all you have to do is hit my profile and look at my posting and you can see the mafia games I've played in seems like a pointless way to add unnecessary information to the thread. 2/3) As I said -- posting a list of prior games and tallking about "well it could be important later" is pointless, because it's obvious. Specifically picking out the fact that someone acted the same way in a previous game as they do to this game is making a case, therefore relevant and not just filling up the thread pointlessly. Can you see the difference? 4) Also as I said -- I don't like making connections this early, but it was an interesting fact, and something to keep in mind for later, as it was relevant to my 2 strongest scumreads at the time. 5) Thanks for making my point for me. He said that it was SO obvious of a scum play that scum would never do it. That's why it's WIFOM. If it's an obvious scum play, then it's an obvious scum play. Therefore, by countering his argument, you're saying that what you did is an obvious scum play. Thanks for making my case stronger. | ||
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On April 25 2012 02:09 ForTheDr3am wrote: @ArcticFox: There is one thing I'd like you to clarify for me. What makes imallinson so different from other people who haven't posted a lot, such as insectoceanx or St.Daniel? Even mutant has basically only asked yomi questions that others have asked already. Insect has at least put a case together and voted for someone. I'd like to see more from him obviously, but you have to pick your battles. nreekay's filter reads a little thin too. St.Daniel is on the list of people who haven't voted or said a whole lot of substance. imallinson has posted 1 post showing what a few other people are doing, but since has disappeared and hasn't shown up in over 24 hours now. The difference to me is "little effort" vs. "no effort". He's just as likely to get modkilled/replaced though, so if your implication is that it would do us better to focus on people acting scummy, rather than those not acting at all, I can't argue against that. The ability to lurk without pressure is what killed us last game though -- I do not want a repeat performance of that. As mentioned, I would far prefer a yomi lynch. Zealos is a good choice too. And I seriously want Maju to show up and say something to the case brought against him. | ||
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St.Daniel -- Still need to hear from you, and need your vote. (Question for Mods -- if someone doesn't vote, does that mean we only need 6 to lynch? (since it's only 11 voting?) or does it just count as a "no lynch" vote for voting purposes and we'd still need 7?) I think at this point we can safely narrow it down to yomi or Zealos for lynch candidates tonight. For those who have a vote that isn't on either yomi or Zealos -- can you be persuaded to vote for one of these targets instead so Day 1 isn't a no-lynch? Or is a no-lynch a better idea in your mind? If so, why? For those currently voting Zealos -- I know at least a couple of you also have yomi as your second strongest scum read. What would it take to persuade your vote over to yomi? If we end up with a no-lynch because people are opposed to either yomi or Zealos based on insufficient evidence, that's fine, if questionable (and as mentioned, I'm against it since we have solid targets), but it means that the decision to no-lynch was made. But if we just end up with a no-lynch because people didn't bother to check the thread before the deadline, then we're in serious trouble and making mafia's job incredibly easy. | ||
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On April 25 2012 07:51 yomi wrote: ya look how little content we've generated so far. I flamed people for spamming last game because the activity level made me very nervous as mafia. I knew I would have to post a lot. You guys are letting them fit in with the other lurkers easy mode. If you have suggestions on how to get the town to post more, I'm all ears. I've called out several people by name, but I can't put pressure on all of them at once if they all refuse to post more than 1 or 2 lines once or twice a day. =/ There can't be 6 scum in the game, but that's the level of activity I'm seeing in the filters. On April 25 2012 07:46 St.Daniel wrote: ##Vote: yomi The vote is nice, but...do you have anything extra to add to the subject? Any other reads to share with the town since this is the first thing you've said in a day and a half? | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:03 yomi wrote: I voted for the biggest lurker and made a (small) case against him /shrug dont know what else to do So who else can you put a case together against? So far you've spent a day calling Maju a dunce, then another randomly jumping around throwing suspicions toward a bunch of different people as soon as the votes started piling up on you. You started to put together some info on mutant, cobbling together a trumped up case that didn't really say much of anything. You voted imallinson only after I'd already posted about him, which looks like a desperation move from my perspective. If you do get lynched tonight and flip green, you know we're going to go over the contents and look at what you've said. If you want to make a contribution, now's the time to start. I'm still convinced you're going to flip red though, as nothing you've said so far has made me believe you're acting in the best interests of town. | ||
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Dracolich70, Zealos, insectoceanx, nreekay324, oneplus -- Are the 5 of you ok with a no-lynch based on the information we have? It's on one of you to switch your vote to yomi if you want his lynch to go through. Otherwise we get to go through this whole routine again on Day 2. "Sorry I missed the deadline," won't be an acceptable excuse, either. With ~54 hours played, we have more than enough activity information to really start pressing the lurkers hard on Day 2. Inactivity only hurts the town. Speaking of -- St.Daniel, I'm still waiting on you to post something more substantial after a day and a half abscence. | ||
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