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Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 11 2012 20:37 GMT
#90
/in
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 12 2012 21:19 GMT
#128
Now you have Coagulation twice.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 13 2012 00:44 GMT
#150
Why does everyone hate Ace? Because he's good as mafia?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 13 2012 06:02 GMT
#215
sandroba led me to victory in C9++, there's no reason for me to think he can't do it again.

##Vote sandroba
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 13 2012 17:18 GMT
#334
On April 14 2012 01:31 Ace wrote:
I'm gonna be out for a couple of hours so to keep this thread moving here is what I propose:

1.) We randomly assign someone as Captain. Better chances of a Townie getting picked this way.


2.) All serious candidates get put on a list. If you are notoriously bad as a player and are known for fucking up the Town DO NOT EVEN APPLY. Lazy scumhunters and spammers especially.

Screw the confirming people by PM stuff @ sandroba. We don't know your alignment and what you're doing comes off as role fishing. Whatever happened in past games is not relevant for this one.

That goes for all you. Let's hurry up and get this captain vote done today. Don't spam up the thread either because I'll be damned if you idiots crash us into Planet Mafia on Day 1.

1. How do we verify that whoever does the randomizing actually makes it random?

2. Isn't choosing sandroba:
a) Just as good because he's been randomly assigned to either scum or town and
b) Better because we know that he is good as town and bad as scum and so far is about as active as we could expect a town sandroba to be?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 13 2012 21:19 GMT
#365
Not a lot going on here.

I'm not in out-of-thread communication with anyone yet, except briefly with sandroba to tell him why I would probably never see him on skype.

Looks like Zentor shot his candidancy in the face with his flip-flopping Mitt Romney-esque, "I'll say whatever you want me to say to get elected".

Who do we have now? sandroba or GMarshal? Can someone let me know if I missed a candidate?

I've read and played more games with sandroba than GM so I'm more comfortable voting leaving my vote on sandroba for now as I think I'd get a better read on his actions than GM's.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 14 2012 17:04 GMT
#480
Couple of things:

@froggynoddy: You're focusing on actions rather than motives:
On April 14 2012 18:16 froggynoddy wrote:
But seriously I don't like Sandroba's stance on PM-ing and the Captaincy in general. I also don't like GM's response to my question:

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 07:07 GMarshal wrote:
On April 14 2012 06:56 froggynoddy wrote:
Ok, sorry for lack of activity, built a mobile donkey shelter and then went to restaurant... too much Cognac. Back to the game:

Comparing campaigners content, I would like to vote for GM. He makes by far the most sense out of all those running for mayor. He isn't gimicky, he isnt super pro PM-ing (which admittedly has its uses late game, but seems to confuse the hell out of stuff early game), and his stance regarding 'enlightened despot' vs 'democrat' appeals to me. What I don't like is his vote on Sandroba. Similarlyto the premise 'push a lynch that you believe will most likely result in scum flip', our votes for Mayor should be 'who you think is most likely to summarily execute scum'. So my question to you (GM) is this:

You don't know that Sandroba is town, if you are town then you know for sure that you are town, threrfore you are most likely to find scum. Therefore why vote for Sandroba unless he's your scumbuddy, I don't get it .

Because sandro is my strongest town read ^_^

Also I hardly ever vote for myself in elections, its not respectable. Its not a matter of logic, its a simple matter of if I can vote for the guy running against me and he votes for me, its the same net result, but its much more elegant. Is it stupid? Probably. I'm going to do it anyway.


I don't see the Sandroba town thing, plus surely at this early stage the only town read that could be described as in any way strong is yourself.

You don't like that GM is voting for sandroba because sandroba is GM's strongest town read? That doesn't make sense.

The main reasons why I'm voting for Ace was because him and GM seemed to make the most sense to me, but I had mssgivings about the GM vote on Sandroba thing, but I have since asked Doc whether you can vote for yourself. I may change my opinion once he answers.

Whether or not Doc answers you doesn't matter. GM never once said that he was voting for sandroba because of a mechanic that didn't permit him. He clearly said it was because sandroba was his biggest town read.

Also, consider this: At this point, if either GM or sandroba were to switch their own vote to themselves, would that not be highly suspicious? As it is they cancel each other out which is what should happen in the first place. If one switches without the other, don't you think they'd be seen as padding their own vote totals?



@Kurumi, Acrofales, talismania: I really appreciate you guys sharing things in the thread. Please continue doing so as I agree it's good to have as much info in thread as possible.



@sandroba: Why are/were Maverick and l10f your most suspicious reads? l10f has hardly posted anything which means you're probably in PM convo with him. Acrofales has said that he's having a hard time finding anyone who's talked to him. What do you know about l10f that the rest of us don't?

Since I'm not as invested in the PM world I'm getting less of a town vibe from sandro and leaning more towards GM. Especially stating that l10f and maverick were his most suspicious targets.



@GM, sandroba, ACE: Who is your best scum read at this moment? I need to be an informed voter.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 14 2012 17:24 GMT
#492
On April 15 2012 02:19 Ace wrote:
Snarfs, I don't have one yet.

Fair enough, but if you do have one before the deadline approaches let us know. At least my own vote is still up in the air.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 14 2012 17:27 GMT
#493
On April 15 2012 02:16 MrZentor wrote:
I'm going now.

I don't get it. You come in here, and in 3 posts:

1) Claim we should discuss lynching chaoser
2) Claim that chaoser is who you think is most innocent
3) Leave

You are causing confusion in town which needs to stop no matter which faction you are because it's anti-town play that is so obvious it draws tons of attention to yourself. You must be a 3rd party or something because it seems like you're playing for no-one's team.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 15 2012 07:22 GMT
#607
@Senjai: Calling you out on this:
On April 15 2012 05:30 Senjai wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry I had a final this past couple days, I'll be able to communicate a post here shortly within the day!


Where did you go?


@prplhz: You alive?



I'm curious if anyone in out of thread communications with either of these players would care to share some info about them.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 15 2012 18:43 GMT
#623
On April 16 2012 03:40 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 01:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
It seems expectations have become pretty high. I've gotten several PM's that all sound a lot like "Hey you should be more active than you are ya?"

The answer is, of course, "Yes of course!" so I'll be around most of today to answer questions while I reread the thread.

Cheers guys.


could you give us anything besides "Hi guys I will post later"
well.. the guy you replaced in for has posted like one time saying he will post later and never returned.
The bar is pretty low..


At this point I would be happy if people would just post a general opinion on gmarsh and his odd quietness/lurking recently. (last night he backed out of skype with people or something.. so it started way before today.. thats very "un gmarsh" imo)
His lynch on froggynoddy (and him consequently flipping town) was a bit random but not totally unexpected.


Sounds like most of this can be attributed to some sort of eye-related injury. I'm inclined to believe he's telling the truth.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 16 2012 22:44 GMT
#758
I'm fine with a Zentor lynch. I've voiced my suspicions of him to a couple others and in thread as well.

##Vote MrZentor
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 19 2012 04:07 GMT
#1011
On April 19 2012 11:35 MrZentor wrote:
Kurumi spreads doubt about if Sand is town.
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 22:59 Kurumi wrote:
On April 13 2012 22:52 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 13 2012 22:48 Kurumi wrote:
On April 13 2012 22:46 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 13 2012 22:45 Kurumi wrote:
On April 13 2012 22:37 Coagulation wrote:
I say we shoot page 13 out the airlock.

Sandroba is scum and Ace is town, opinions?

wanna lay down some reasons way or just gonna shout shit? I too can shout shit.

Uh, what? I am clearly missing something there. You're defending sandroba?

I'm asking you why you think the way you do? You do have reasons right. So do the pro-town thing and share them. I'm interested.

I find it amusing that I asked Coag and You're the person to respond.
1st
People want to lynch Ace for no reason. (some say it's a joke-gone-real)
2nd
He actually says something related and helpful to the game.
3rd
Sandroba has gone the same way like he did in his scum games. Say skype publicly and try to mess in the pm land. He wanted me to claim to him because he somehow knows a mechanics present in the game giving him possibility to break it.
Bullshit.


His excuse for voting Jackal as captain is that he wants somebody against Sand.
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 04:49 Kurumi wrote:
As for now Jackal's my vote. I'll vote for whoever is against sandroba.
Talismania, You might need a shovel.


He defends l10f.
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 22:27 Kurumi wrote:
Remember this post?
On April 14 2012 19:47 layabout wrote:
On April 14 2012 19:26 froggynoddy wrote:
On April 14 2012 09:13 layabout wrote:
Having spent a rare day away from the computer due to frequent and annoying _____*

I have had barely any time to read the thread.
after a quick skim and a PM with sandro

Part of me wants to vote GM for being a gentleman, and i would like to know if he intends to explain what he plans to do, and why he should be mayor. Will he try to enforce rules of proper conduct for instance? Will he lynch Kurumi who clearly does not care about catching scum?

The rest of me wants to vote for sandro. If he really is committing all of this time to PM with so many players it should be very difficult for him to do so as scum. So in a sense voting for him is less risky because their is a reduced chance that he could remain alive and looking town if he is scum. He also has better than average early reads and is thus a good candidate by default.

Is anybody else wondering why a town WBG would do this?


+ Show Spoiler [*] +
I am not sure what the term is but i do know that all the lights dim and my PC turns itself off


I'm really sorry if I'm being obtuse but can you explain to me the logic in your town read here?

Which town read?

Also for somebody that seems to value transparency l10f has shared very little.

That's finger pointing. You've done this twice. To me and l10f.
There's no contradiction in my post. Nobody asked You why You were away. Nobody cared. Then, why the hell would You post that You were busy?
My early-game posts are early-game posts. Don't expect them to be too good. That goes for pretty much everybody. You can't have a fully fleshed out case 10 hours into the game, come on. The days are 48h for a reason (besides timezones)
You posted a post full of fluff and I called You out on it.
You also tried to lower opinion of GMarsh and make look sandroba better, my question is: WHY?
You weren't so "confident" about sandroba then. You're lying. You don't even know what You've thought some time ago, but that's cool. When I am scum I have the same problems. Then I just usually lurk or just post a lot without attacking anybody, because it's easy!
You support some shady D1 all-claim-to-one-guy plan with no reasoning. You just think sandroba is Town because he cares.
I WOULD CARE TOO IF PEOPLE STARTED CLAIMING TO ME DAY ONE LOL
Ace's looking Town because he's making all the good observations so far. Sandroba is scum because no town would try to get all the claims day 1 for no reason for the sake of "confirming them by a broken mechanic"
Also, did You know I am Obama himself? Trust me, that's as true as Sandroba's intentions!


He doesn't want responsibility for the Zentor bandwagon, because he knows it will end in a mislynched townie.
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 07:32 Kurumi wrote:
On April 17 2012 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ouch that's gotta sting Zentor - Kurumi nice catch.

Who are your partners Zentor?

Not mine. Layabout's.


He defends Jackal hard.
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 05:59 Kurumi wrote:
Its five not two. Anyway, the item name inconsistency might be solved by host trying to save the setup from being broken. Also guys. Lets go with the words of another confirmed town Ace. We should not lynch active players. I agree with Jackal that pm games tend to suck because people post a lot less in the thread and many vets say that town tends to rely too much on blues and confirming people. Remember , the flip confirms someone. I am against Jackal lynch fully. I am more than happy to lynch someone scummy lurking. As for Zentor my gut still says town but the things shown are at least weird . Although I have hard time reading the thread because I dont sleep much or well at all so I get tired fast and am really weak after school.
About Node : check his pregame posts. Check his in game posts. Did he just get lazy?
On phone so cant quote.

Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 06:22 Kurumi wrote:
On April 18 2012 06:06 risk.nuke wrote:
How is jackal active? He doesn't scumhunt, have basicly no scumreads and as far as I know he haven't talked to anyone exept for gm and sandroba in pm's.

1. Kurumi do you think we should kill all the lurking newbies who is likely town before we start scumhunting?
2. And how is jackals filter better then theirs?

It is Jackal damnit. I dont say Jackal has done excellent scumhunting so far because he had done little to none, but I dont see how killing a guy who is around benefits us when we have people like Node talking how good town they want to play this game and the game starts and he goes lurky as hell. Sinani has meta of being lurky, just like damn Kenpachi and we cant do much. There are people who certainly know how to play but are lurking. Wbg is not as active as usual too. The item thing looks indeed pretty strong , although unless sandroba himself does not posses such an item then he cant be sure who is lying(if someone is) I just think we are at a similar situation like with Ace. We might be pulling the trigger too quickly. Jackal, have You lied to sandroba about Your item?


Kurumi votes for Jackal as Captain first.
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 17:39 Kurumi wrote:
##vote Jackal58


The bandwagon doesn't pick up, so he wastes his vote for Talismania.
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 03:19 Kurumi wrote:
##unvote Jackal58
##vote Talismania


He also votes for me as a lynch and never switches to the alien overlord.
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 07:39 Kurumi wrote:
##vote MrZentor


In summary, he defends two people we know are scum, l10f and Jackal; attacks somebody who we know to be pro town, sandroba, and tries to start a bandwagon lynch against me without taking responsibility!! I'm wondering why nobody has seen this yet.

Just sayin'.

All this and no vote. What gives?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 19 2012 04:56 GMT
#1023
On April 19 2012 13:37 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh believes strongandbig just claimed to be an alien. Thoughts?

Agreed.

strongandbig wrote:
Zentor is still my strongest scum read. Zentor wants to lynch Kurumi. Let's lynch Kurumi."
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 19 2012 05:10 GMT
#1026
On April 19 2012 14:01 chaoser wrote:
so sinani lynch today, strongandbig lynch tomorrow, our DTs should be able to cover the rest. After today the mafia KP should be dropping to 1.

I'm fine with this. I feel like the attack on Kurumi was a bit of a chainsaw defense. He was one of my biggest town reads from the beginning, really trying to get discussion going in the thread. For now my vote is on sinani.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 19 2012 05:20 GMT
#1029
On April 19 2012 14:17 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 14:10 Snarfs wrote:
On April 19 2012 14:01 chaoser wrote:
so sinani lynch today, strongandbig lynch tomorrow, our DTs should be able to cover the rest. After today the mafia KP should be dropping to 1.

I'm fine with this. I feel like the attack on Kurumi was a bit of a chainsaw defense. He was one of my biggest town reads from the beginning, really trying to get discussion going in the thread. For now my vote is on sinani.


That's exactly what I'm trying to say. It was a chainsaw defense by Mr. Zentor.

I don't get how you can say this and then vote for Kurumi.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 19 2012 05:31 GMT
#1032
On April 19 2012 14:27 VayeshMoru wrote:
.... Vayesh also thinks zentor and kurumi could be both town.

I agree it's possible, but I'd still like to know why MrZentor didn't follow up his case with a vote. Seems like he was a little hesitant to back up what I would agree is a good case with his actions, which is a scum move - trying not to stick his neck out too far. If he's town he'll have a good reason though.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 19 2012 05:38 GMT
#1035
On April 19 2012 14:34 VayeshMoru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 14:31 Snarfs wrote:
On April 19 2012 14:27 VayeshMoru wrote:
.... Vayesh also thinks zentor and kurumi could be both town.

I agree it's possible, but I'd still like to know why MrZentor didn't follow up his case with a vote. Seems like he was a little hesitant to back up what I would agree is a good case with his actions, which is a scum move - trying not to stick his neck out too far. If he's town he'll have a good reason though.


Vayesh would suggest that anyone heavily suspected of being an alien but is given a chance to prove he is not and fails to follow through would die. As such an alien or crew member would be slightly afraid to start a wagon no? Vayesh thinks this is logical from his com room.

Ah, true enough. I forgot to account for the fact that he is already under scrutiny. Quite logical Vayesh
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 20 2012 18:31 GMT
#1092
sinani did kind of shit on Coag's mayor run, here:
On April 15 2012 07:24 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 05:50 Coagulation wrote:
On April 15 2012 04:59 michaelthe wrote:
Next game where we elect a mayor day 1 Im going to suggest we not discuss the mayor vote and just play like a normal game. We spent the first 36 hours talking about useless crap, and only in the past 12 have people started pointing fingers. Again, I think the town sucks at hitting scum day 1, but its extremely valuable to look back at who died and see who pointed fingers/defended and when and why. I guess its good we have a bit of discussion now, but 48 hours of it would be better.

My one PM so far:
+ Show Spoiler +
From: talismania [ 1193 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Any reads so far?
Date: 4/14/12 22:45
Hi was just wondering what reads or suspicions you might have so far

Have you been chatting or pming with anyone?


I guess people don't want my opinion.
OK. 0.

A lot of people have stated they have pro-town reads on Sandroba. I doubt scum would be dumb enough to mass support him like that. The question is, how intelligent do I think they town is in these reads of Sandroba as a townie. I KNOW the town sucks at finding scum, but that doesnt mean that doesnt correlated 1:1 to bad town reads. Meh, I dont want a wall of text, so Ill just say: TLDR, yall have played with him, I dont have much faith, but I hope the entire town isnt retarded with their read.

All the eggs are in your basket Sandroba.

##Vote: Sandroba

If you dont feel like sandroba is best choice for capn dont fucking vote him just cause everyone else is. thats like the worst thing you can do for town. Vote gmarsh or me or anyone else but "the person everyone else is"


Why would anyone vote for you after this?

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 06:36 Coagulation wrote:
I want to update my campaign with the platform If you vote for me and im elected I will flip a coin and either lynch ace or wbg.

dead srs.



And here:
On April 15 2012 07:40 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 07:36 chaoser wrote:
On April 15 2012 07:35 sinani206 wrote:
On April 15 2012 07:29 chaoser wrote:
Coag is pretty deadly with a gun, remember his GF and then sub-GF shot? I dunno about coin flips though


What is this about guns? I thought we were talking about the mayor lynch.


being captain basically makes you day one day vigi?


I guess...
Even so, he said he would choose his target with a coin flip. That's certainly not a way to earn my vote.


Seems unlikely from a scum perspective.

##Unvote sinani206
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 20 2012 20:10 GMT
#1117
... I swear there is a whole game going on I have no clue about >.<. How did you know that!? Jesus.

Okay well, I'll consolidate to ET, I don't think sinani is a good lynch right now. wbg was second on sinani too just as an fyi.
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