EPT(we are in LYLO though, so it'll probably be done before this one starts, one way or the other)
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(we are in LYLO though, so it'll probably be done before this one starts, one way or the other) | ||
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"But Strongandbig," you ask, "you've only played one game of TL mafia before! What can it mean for you to play in 'bastard meta' when you barely have any meta anyway?! And besides, what you're saying doesn't make sense, a player's meta is just the information about them from outside the game - it doesn't make sense to say you'll be playing in a different 'meta'!" Well, you just keep asking that. | ||
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On April 10 2012 06:19 Drazerk wrote: Oh and god dammit I let VE post >.> Drazerk's already lost this game, guys. Drazerk: are you claiming broken shell of a man as your new role? Anyway, Lost Mafia was kind of a surprise. Good thing I've | ||
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On April 10 2012 07:04 GreYMisT wrote: After Game of Thrones Mafia I feel the need to say THIS IS A JOKE POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are exactly 37 exclamation marks in this post. Clearly an attempt to communicate to his sleeper cell buddies. | ||
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On April 10 2012 07:47 Macheji wrote: @ layabout Empty post, funny tho , atleast you aren't proposing your third lynch target. Actually it would be his fourth - or fifth, if you count Bluelightz, who he was asking for a vig shot on: (Bluelightz) Sbrubbles VisceraEyes Strongandbig (me) Johnnywub The acronym spelled from these lynch targets? BSVSJ. Which links us to this twitpic. So if we can figure out where that is, we'll know who layabout is trying to communicate with. | ||
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Not even the mods. | ||
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Hmm. I guess I was expecting this to be more like what I've read about the Caller games, or the aperture mafia craziness.. Question for more experienced players - in this kind of game, how useful is it to try and derive information or extrapolate from what the mods post? Like, can we trust the list of four win conditions, or should we be suspicious of that? What about answers to out questions like the one above? I also want to note something interesting. At first I was really confused about this post by Hassybaby: + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2012 18:36 Hassybaby wrote: Makes me think that there are only a bunch of SKs and assassin survivors, and town wins when they're dead. Maybe that means there isn't a Mafia team. Also, stop trying to apply logic to Drazerk. That's like asking Kenpachi to make a credible case on someone. I actually have read through a bunch of the lost wiki, and the reason I was confused is that I was using the Lost series meaning of the word "survivor", where the "survivors" are the town equivalent. I see that the role "survivor" is black in the OP, so I'm not sure what this means for this game. | ||
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On April 10 2012 23:28 Bluelightz wrote: we do not, never, and never will get anything out of mods posts besides the answer to a question when they answer one. Good to know. Thanks. Unless when you say "the answer to a question" you mean the answer they want us to have and not necessarily the correct one. However I think you just mean what you say. In this post, at least. On April 10 2012 23:25 phagga wrote: It means it is a third party role. They are not town. They often win with either town or mafia, so they don't always play in towns best interest as it does not matter for them that much who wins, as long as they are still alive. I know that black=third party; what I meant was that if the flavor theme of this game really is "Lost", then it's interesting that in the TV show Lost, the equivalent of the "town" team were called the "survivors." On Topic: I'm suspicious of BagManager. Only five posts, and yet he knows how to copy the bold red formatting on his /confirm, and what a bastard game is? Who are you really, BagManager? What do you have to hide? | ||
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On April 11 2012 08:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote: At this point in time, I'm willing to lynch these four people 1) + Show Spoiler [strongandbig] + On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal? On April 11 2012 07:54 layabout wrote: I think Strongandbig is a third party. His posting History this game is the following: I want to /in /in I am going for "bastard meta" /confirm Is Darzek claiming broken shell? oh btw i haven't seen lost 37 "!" you a sleeper cell? Contrived twitpic nonsense "Im Tovn" dont trust ppl I looked at the lsot wiki, maybe everyone in town is a survivor? I think BM is a smurf and he is lurking, so i am going to pressure him, aren't i useful 2) + Show Spoiler [Macheji] + On April 11 2012 08:08 Cyber_Cheese wrote: This seems to have a large focus on the defensive... Facts? Evidence? 100% sure? On day 1? More pre-emptive defence. Why would a townie be so scared of being called out? Given the odds of being scum tend to range from 20-25%, this use of probabiliy seems suss. Not to mention the use of probablility at all, it seems to just be more excusing himself. His filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326599&user=234970 ##Vote: Macheji 3) VE, for getting me killed day 1 last game, and not being nearly as active as in any other game I've seen him. 4) My target. CyberCheese, I feel so betrayed! (he's one of the people I'm supposed to keep alive.) Regarding the chart! I bet the people who are the subject of the most protection commands are the serial killers. It just makes sense from the point of view of the hosts trolling us. | ||
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Him aside, I don't think macheji looks like scum; to me he looks more like a new player, I remember when I started playing IRL mafia accusations like the first one against macheji always seemed like a bigger deal then they really are; plus there might be an esl component that makes his tone seem more defensive than he intends it. This puts me in a bind since it makes cyber cheese seem pretty suspicious, but he's one of the people I have to keep alive. However it seems like the best way to keep anyone on these lists alive is to get the scum and / or serial killers ASAP, so I'd be willing to vote for cyber cheese anyway. I'd also be willing to vote for layabout or jackal58. Our shenanigans are cheeky and fun whereas layabout's are hurtful and tragic; and jackal58 would be a test of my theory that we all have to protect at least one sk or scum, so the people with the most protection arrows are the most likely to be sky's or scum. | ||
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First, I won't deny that I've been goofing around a bit. (I mean, obviously.) I've been trying to get into the spirit of the bastard game, as well as to mix up my posting style from my first game, newbie mafia 6 (which we just won as town). However, unlike layabout, the only times I've been accusing people without meaning it has been for accusations that we're obviously fake - eg, the sleeper cell stuff, when there is clearly no sleeper cell in this game. My posts about the chart and about Bagmanager are legit - I think that we should be suspicious of Bagmanager since he's lurking a lot and is probably a smurf of some veteran player, and the reason I've been posting about the protection arrow mechanics is that I think the town can gain a big advantage by figuring out the aspects of the game mechanics which we don't entirely understand yet. This is my second game, and my first with a suspicious and/or closed setup; so I guess vets could know things that I don't about whether speculating about mechanics tends not to e productive or tends to be a scum tell. However, it seems to me at this point that it could be productive for the town. Now, Hassybaby didn't really bring this up but other people have, so as long as I'm here I might as well clarify what I'm talking about with the "Lost survivor" stuff. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the flavor indicated that survivors and town are similar groups. From the people who have posted their win conditions so far, it seems like a common win condition is to keep one of a list of players alive. If this list contains the player themselves, the it seems reasonable to classify that player as a "survivor." However, this seems like a very town-ish win condition to me - regardless of whether or not it is combined with an official town win condition. In other words, survivors with a protect list such as seems likely to exist in this game both list-based town and list-based survivors should be trying as hard as they can to get the killers out of the picture. I'm not going to say whether I'm a "survivor" or "town" at this point. I hope you all agree that that's reasonable; if I admit to being town I become a night kill target whereas if I admit to being a "third party" survivor I become a lynch target. What I will say is that the "third party" survivors and the "town" players are fundamentally aligned in that they are likely to lose if the killers (sk and/or scum) win. As an aside, please excuse me if I post slowly and get ninja'd a lot; I tend to post on my smartphone, which is a lot slower than on a pc. This happened to me a lot in the newbie game that just finished, as well. | ||
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On April 11 2012 22:31 Sbrubbles wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 16:12 johnnywup wrote: VOTES PEOPLE VOTES! We've got scum/town to lynch! What the fuck, man? Do you realize that by claiming survivor means you're a liability to the town if we reach Lylo? If you choose not to contribute to finding scum, you may as well be dead. It's possible that the endgame condition will make reaching Lylo impossible or something like that, but otherwise, I'll be greatly in favor of lynching you tomorrow. I would say the same thing for phagga, but he's contributing at least. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 09:12 Hassybaby wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GVXqD.png) Protection names doesn't equal alignment. Can still lynch him, since the guys who claimed so far have stated that any of their names surviving means a win for town (?) Congratulations, you've just proved in graph form how useless claiming win cons is. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 09:32 layabout wrote: Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon. Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large. So what if a DT finds out they're lying? If a townie has a "kill XXX" condition, he's not gonna claim it, since it would just make him lose credibility. But he's still a townie and XXX may still be scum! "increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignment" is pure speculation (there's already a high chance that will happen, but that is just because probably around 3/4 of the players are town). + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 21:40 layabout wrote: Lets assume we are all survivors or town. Town are not mafia. Survivors are not mafia. + Show Spoiler [Filters] + 1 - Bluelightz 2 - johnnywup 3 - phagga 4 - Hassybaby 5 - Drazerk 6 - GreYMisT 7 - VisceraEyes 8 - strongandbig 9 - Macheji 10- Jackal58 11- layabout 12- BagManager 13- Cyber_Cheese 14- Eiii 15- Sbrubbles Very likely survivor: Johnnywub + Show Spoiler + he claims it when mafia would not be sure if there were many survivors and when there was no real need for him to claim it strongandbig + Show Spoiler + he speculates that everyone is a survivor, i also think he is 3rd party. Drazerk + Show Spoiler + based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go There was also this "be nice to survivors posts" On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1 On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors Just leave em be >.> Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around. A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor. Probably survivor Cyber Cheese+ Show Spoiler + On April 10 2012 09:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Thought: Everyone posts their wincon. Agree/Disagree? explanation coming when i regain PC acess Hassababy + Show Spoiler + explanation coming when i regain PC acess phagga + Show Spoiler + based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles. Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that. On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know... Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him. Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games. Town Jackal + Show Spoiler + Jackal is probably the most responsible for for the wincon claims being shared, he claimed this On April 11 2012 07:33 Jackal58 wrote: Hmmmmm phagga, Sbrubbles, Hassybaby or Drazerk He is probably telling the truth because of these posts On April 11 2012 07:29 Jackal58 wrote: If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was. Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia. Layabout which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum. so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles At Lylo, survivors are essencially mafia, thus anti-town. You're making the mistaking of trying to divide people into 3 factions when in fact there are only 2. Pro-town and anti-town. Anti-town (scum and, to a lesser extent, survivors) need to be lynched or shot by vigs. If you are assuming that Blue and Grey are town because your objective is to have them live to the endgame, you're assuming wrong. Of your "scum list", how about you make a case on one of us. Oh, and don't do it on Bagmanager. It's too easy to make a case on a lurker (unless you actually plan on casting your vote for him, then go ahead with your case). I had you as scum before, but seing a faulty analisys that in the end just softly accuses 4 different people (two of whom accused you) while clearing everyone else just made up my mind. The speculation at LYLO is pointless until we know the endgame condition, which we will find out at the next day post. There is no traditional mafia win condition to outnumber town, so I suspect LYLO will not be possible to reach. It's possible that you are right; however as I said above, it seems like a category of survivors in this game have protect lists, in which case their motivation should be to reduce total KP in the game rather than to avoid attracting attention. | ||
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On April 11 2012 23:40 Sbrubbles wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 23:01 strongandbig wrote: The speculation at LYLO is pointless until we know the endgame condition, which we will find out at the next day post. There is no traditional mafia win condition to outnumber town, so I suspect LYLO will not be possible to reach. It's possible that you are right; however as I said above, it seems like a category of survivors in this game have protect lists, in which case their motivation should be to reduce total KP in the game rather than to avoid attracting attention. Yeah, I mentioned that on another post. I'd rather lynch scummy-looking people instead of claimed survivors at least until the endgame condition is revealed (though even afterwards the priority would still be on lynching scum, of course). Still, I highly doubt survivors will be pro-town; their win condition is to wait out the game, not hunt scum. Also, based on the two posts above, I assume you're a survivor. Am I right? As I said, I'm not claiming either survivor or town. I'm claiming that my win condition includes that one of a list of players has to be alive. I may or may not also have a town win condition. The reason I'm dwelling on the survivor question is that my earlier posts about the "surivors" on the tv show "Lost" led people to believe that I'm a survivor. I wanted to clarify that I think both town and survivors should be focused on reducing kp in the game by finding scum, and I went into detail as to why. From the posts earlier in the thread, I suspect a majority of players have a similar win condition (keep one of a list of players alive). I think this question of survivors is important for the town since there is probably a larger-than-usual number of survivors in this game - going again from the flavor and from the fact that we already have one claimed survivor in the game. | ||
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On April 12 2012 00:03 Sbrubbles wrote: Fail reading comprehension by me. I was right the first time. This means you have an alternate win condition as a survivor (if you have another interpretation for the "me" in that list I'd like to hear it). Whether this means you're a threat to town or not will hinge on the endgame condition, though (and, of course, if your play is pro-town, which so far I feel it is). What do you know, I was wrong. Claiming win cons did have an advantage! It doesn't have to be alternate. The "town" win condition and the "one member of group survives" win condition can be combined - both have to happen for Phagga (or whoever) to win. . . . . . . . If you only have one cheek it must be hard to sit down. "not claiming to be X" =/= "claiming not to be X". | ||
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On April 12 2012 01:09 Drazerk wrote: by the way I would all sort out your formatting in the voting thread as they might discount unformatted posts and then troll us with a lynch we didn't intend. I feel like that would be a bit of a stretch, considering that they've already counted differently formatted votes in the vote count. Still, probably better safe than sorry. | ||
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Oh wait, no that's just the stew. | ||
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On April 12 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote: hey Macheji are you scum? On April 12 2012 10:01 Macheji wrote: I;m just saying , the club i went this wensday night was kinda dullll..... dunno. Well i think i'm gonna go ry to sleep and hopethat once i go into bed the WORLD won;t spin s bad it makes me hard to resist puking. Sumbacg WORLD stop spinning Not really sure what to make of this | ||
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