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#Pull abc abc from position 18 -> 19. This makes it easier to keep track of which action is deciding or not. As you can see, there's some confusion about Bill's position change. It also makes it easier to prevent abuse. Oops I accidentally popped palmar over the edge as i didn't know he was already at position 25 blah blah. We don't want to waste stupid time arguing whether it was an accident or not. So, for example ##pull: palmar Palmar should move from p19->p20 Simple roleclaim check. Also option of letting palmar get item still available. Personally, I view letting him get item as last resort. Not the best use of PoPs, but better than nothing. | ||
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By my rolecheck, I established that palmar should be mirror toy . I didn't mention it, but by extension, he must have additional powers, else he be just a gimmicky VT. The fact that he hasn't said anything despite being pushed closer and closer indicates he is either afk or has confidence in his power. I can't say the same of the fence sitters though. I am not going to repeat what people say to make you guys happy. Search more thoroughly instead of pressing "filter" and you will see parroting at work. | ||
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I like Bluelightz 's response. Going to cut him slack for his earlier inactivity due to wife/internet and stuff. | ||
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Sure enough, doing something with my pop raised a gigantic woohah. Every player that moves according to the plan of getting palmar item is apparently scummy for avoiding responsibility. . The other people that pushed palmar to item? Scum that want to "waste" pop! The people that got VE to rescue palmar? Scum that want to "waste" pop and get town credit! NEWSFLASH: Anytime you want to get anything achieved some people can avoid "responsibility." This is unavoidable. (hahahaha pun) God people are stupid. On the contrary, being the first to initiate things put a big bullseye on my back as you can see. Sad. I thought I was supposed to avoid responsibility. We should have continued happily drinking tea and discussing the weather and the town secondary voting system. We can see how that one turned out. Broke down quick enough. (Cephiro was threatening to drop palmar over the edge cause his highness didn't agree.) I felt the idea of allowing palmar to get item had its risks, balanced against reward of more information. People were whining that someone else can verify roleclaim. We can all sit around and wait for shit to happen, palmar's not going to move himself. Verifying his roleclaim and allowing us to guess at his power reduced some of that risk. Ultimately, a COMBINATION of factors made me conclude that moving him is still better than wasting D1 though, since it is one of the few things that can succeed. So you see, I wasn't quite enamored with the plan. Somehow retards are twisting it to say that I didn't approve of it. I was thinking I don't have to waste my time explaining and responding to this retarded argument but the tunneling continues. Seriously? Stop filling up thread with garbage. How can so many people lack reading comprehension to conclude that I was against the plan is beyond me. Probably some scum that jump on bandwagon that I need to do analysis on later. I did something with my pop, which is more than can be said for those players that didn't even use it at all or wasted it. There are other easy ways to waste your pop. Such as throwing it on a player without enough support to get him lynched. See: cephiro, syllo. @Scrubbles comment, I had pencilled Bluelightz as 90% guilty. Besides your fail bandwagon on me and redirecting attention at syllo instead of yourself, you have nothing. Post. Glad to see Bluelightz didn't disappear back into the darkness. Lmao @ power. | ||
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On April 04 2012 03:02 Tobon wrote: Oh, and this part. My read on cascades is here: link. In short: scummy. The bit you quoted is me saying that the timing of the PoP on cascades was poor because we hadn't decided for sure on a target yet. As many of us are agreeing now, a lot of us (me definitely included) used our PoPs poorly and in an uncoordinated way on day 1. Hopefully we can do better from here on out. LOL good try. Your read on cascades is here: I agree with all this. I'm not liking Cascades' post and pull either. Fixed. One off the Bandwagon train. | ||
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More importantly, you also softclaim that implies syllo is mod confirmed red. You backed out of it after people called you out, since you still need to have powers to get yourself out of incineration somehow. Doesn't excuse the scummy softclaim. I am really curious about the plan now. I want to hear it. You have to justify better before we help you. There's a chance you scum in our eyes. | ||
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##Push Cephiro ##Pull Bluelightz | ||
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Lol ceph don't give me shit. I was in a rush and it was a genuine mistake. My pops weren't in correct format. You gave snarfs a free pass. Cos he buddied with you and I was suspicious of you, for entirely legit reasons? In most other games my pressure on fake softclaim and "i'm town" filler posts would be a gigantic red flag. Don't be hatin. My original post was targetting mattchew since he all but dissappeared like syllo. He still doesn't look good. Why would Tobon's ability make him town Nemesis? Because it was town in previous games? Look at mirror toy. You can't imagine reset power being useful to mafia? Critical thinking. Why would Tobon's use of ability make him town to those that suddenly cleared him? 1) Why can't he be trying to buy town credit? 2) Ceph has some magical power that avoids nullification, which is why he wasn't afraid of mafia using nullification and ruining his plan. Why is there a need for Tobon to use his ability and waste all the pulls on Bluelightz? Critical thinking. Getting item is bad. Ceph left out the critical part, which refresher orb is instant.Don't need more mafia nullifcations and shit. What's up with delay on lynching syllo? We need to move on. Dude's disappeared off the face of the earth. You guys too pussy to start pop because I got chewed out for doing so? ##Push: syllo | ||
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1) Ceph didn't call Snarfs scum when Snarfs continued to add votes. He however, did call me scummy for making the same mistake. Good consistency there. Instead of refuting this point he goes on to argue semantics about free passes. Lolol. 2) I pressured Ceph earlier. Red flag in that context was referring to Ceph's posts such as his fake softclaim. If you doubt its a red flag, ask bugs if pulling that shit off in a normal mafia game wouldn't get you lynched. 4)Ceph was thinking of a plan to push townie to get items. I'm saying this plan is shit. We don't know how many pops it requires to do anything. If refresh orb can be saved and is not instant maybe, just maybe it is worth it. But why would you spend pops to take the risk of mafia to be able to use nullifcation again and whatever hidden powers they possess? 3) If using a nullification power and a reset power makes a scum confirmed town, would you do it? Critical thinking. 5)For the last fucking time morons I didn't waste a pop on palmar. Go back and read my previous post if u want clarification. This goes out to Toban too. Where did I say Ceph wasn't nullified. Find me that sentence. I am saying he had some magical way to ignore it, because he sure as hell wasn't concerned about it despite us reminding him. Stop putting words in my mouth. @Tobon, How do you know for certain 6 pushes would "absolutely" put Ceph in the fire zone. It only "likely" puts him in the fire zone. Counterexample: One toy on each safe position. For example, by deduction, syllo probably started on position 18. I noticed you tried to use maths from day 1 positions to try and save your ass later. You know, except for the part about toys being distributed randomly. Solution: *gasp* in Tobon's own words, "scum with the Darkness power has some sort of limited visibility (as in the description from DFM1, although perhaps not identical)." GG scum. | ||
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Let's assume he is somehow right*. Why does day 1 apply to future days? So like by day 4, townie are likely to end up at incineration spots. If mafia saved their darkness power they can get free kills? How does it even make sense. (*He isn't as I am being super kind here ignoring the fact that because it is random, there is good chance not to have equal number on either side of a center.) Someone with good enough math to determine probability distribution has no business fucking up simple math. Don't give me the shit that he used power blah blah. It's not a bad trade to get "confirmed" status. Furthermore, Ceph didn't need town help for his plan to work, so when Tobon used power, all that happened was... ... We wasted a day+, all those ceph pushes and bluelightz pulls for nothing and people are closing their eyes at the people responsible. WTF. | ||
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So you didn't have way to get out of incineration? You hoping to waste town pulls and powers? You waste pops, propose shit plan and get away with it good job. You claim to sacrifice yourself? Why is there a need for you to be pushed in the first place so that you sacrifice? And your "sacrifice" is pointless drama. On April 05 2012 07:47 Syllo wrote: I appriciate that, but even in the case my quest fails you shouldn't save me, as me dying will confirm Cephiro as scum in a worst case scenario. What's wrong with the above paragraph? I just switched the names around. Any scum can make same post. If his quest fails we would be leaving him out to rot because he was confident his quest would succeed. And Ceph is acting like this makes him town. Oh wait, town cred is all he was looking for when he was making this post. And you guys fell for it like how Derek Jeter falls for hookers. I said scum can use nullification again if refresher orb is found, which is true. Good job putting words in my mouth. Is that the best argument you can come up with? Sad that you haven't put together ONE coherent argument and people are like, hey, its Ceph, I am going to blindly follow because I am retarded and think syllo being scum = Ceph being "confirmed" town. Keep dodging my arguments scum, I am onto you. It's really sad how the town doesn't hold ppl accountable for their actions. Keep thinking people are town because they attack others like rabid dog. | ||
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Anyway, I was like thinking yesterday that even if my push came through and none of the pushes were nullified , Ceph wouldn't have died even if he was on the edge, which he wasn't as we can see today. It takes like what, multiple scums to push Ceph off. Best idea to trade scumss for Ceph really. Almost died the dumbest death in history due to mistake of believing Snarf's post was mod approved. RIP layabout. To answer Layabout's last question on who else, Mr Wriggles and Bluelightz. Bluelightz is stalling town discussion at this point and needs to go. We did absolutely shit yesterday, as Mr Wriggles didn't use his pull on Bluelightz and also used his push on Syllo with tp item. Syllo was active in thread, we couldn't have surprise popped him off. Anyway, we could have vigged him instead. Why take the risk? Once he started, Wriggles forced all the townies to go allin on Syllo, while Syllo laughing safely and not even close to being lynched. | ||
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I am really annoyed you acted unilaterally on mrzentor. Didn't we, and you specifically too, agree not to pull off this shit? Stop. Mattchew being forced to use his power to throw syllo is very different from him volunteering to use it himself. For bluelightz case, I would also like to point out that bugs also threatened bluelightz if he used his power today. Bluelightz power may also possibly not be used two nights in a row. And I also don't see why him claiming a fake second charge is off. That's just some stuff you missed when I skimmed. I think that a lot of the arguments used against MrZentor can be used against Mattchew/Bluelightz/Wriggles too. The not caring/frustation, etc. Not to mention the WIFOM. Why would a scum claim an anonymous power to "attempt" to save Palmar? Why not? You can see it is clearly doing him some good today. Above all, today the town needs to focus. Here's what I propose: We pull Mr Wriggles down and to death since he is closer and more people agree he is scum. After Mr Wriggles is pulled, risk.nuke can activate his coplight. Maybe we want to pop additional people if we want to be sure. This will indicate whether Mr Zentor is scum or not, after which we can decide how to deal with him. | ||
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And now another unilateral pull. Real. We won't get shit done if we all do our own things and go for separate targets. Stop. STOP. You might say it's hard to decide. That's what fucking risk.nuke power is for. Risk.nuke, use that red light. We can move dirkzor and one of nemesis/acrofales if necessary. | ||
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Also, less wasted pulls, since ceph and prp already wasted theirs. "preferably in the direction the person we want to lynch has to move." So town can waste more pulls so we may end up with not enough pulls to get someone off the edge? No. | ||
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