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Right now my eye is on xsksc: the first thing he does is join VE and start grilling the newbie. He then posts a pre-emptive defense for his lack of vote. On March 18 2012 10:31 xsksc wrote: While I certainly dislike what I've seen of him so far, I hesitated to add a vote to my post on him, simply because I'm not sure if he's posting that way because he's a brand new townie, or if there is a scum motive to his posts. I don't think it's sensible to call for a bandwagon on him THIS early in the game, give it some time (we have practically the whole day left). If nothing much has changed when it comes to lynch time, sure, I'm totally up for lynching fuck out of him. No need to rush into things though, let's use all this time we've got! He takes a whole paragraph to say "I didn't vote because I wasn't sure". Wants us to make best use of our time but doesn't actually offer any suggestions. Why, his own case on why he thinks johnnywup is suspicious applies aptly to himself! On March 18 2012 10:14 xsksc wrote: Then you posted your early game reads and said you thought Jackal was town, then when you're questioned about it, you instantly became wishy-washy about it. Reading your posts, I'm getting the feeling that you're posting for the sake of posting something, rather than trying to push a town agenda. You seem very keen to let everyone know how on the fence you are. Why? It's like mad libs, just replace "Jackal was town" with "johnnywup is scum" and xsksc's name with someone else's. Wishy washy about his read, giving obvious advice about using our time without actually doing it himself and keen to explain why he did not add a vote even though no one actually asked him. | ||
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On March 18 2012 15:41 xsksc wrote: Are you seriously trying to tell me I'm scum because I called him out on bad posting? What "pre-emptive defense" are you talking about? In that quote I'm talking to VE after he called for votes on johnny, please read the thread properly. I don't understand what you mean here. It sounds like you're suggesting that I'm not taking my time? Please clarify. Also, please state why you believe johnny is town, I'd be interested to know. Yea I don't like this post - you are sidestepping and not addressing my suspicions. 1) The meat of my suspicions was not at all on your calling out, but your behavior after that. 2) I think it's pre-emptive because you are addressing a past stance in lieu of your present stance. 3) You take half a paragraph to assert that we have a lot of time and implicitly encourage thread stagnation as you do not offer any new discussion points or "push a town agenda" 4) You completely ignore my suspicions on your 'wishy-washy on the fence' nature point in my case. Add in some misrepresentation (painting me as someone stupid enough to try to convince someone that they are scum) and some more sidestepping (in the form of asking me for my stance without clarifying your own at all) and right now you are my #1 read. I have already posted why I think johnnywup is town - I'd be happy to explain further but won't be doing so until you give your own stance. | ||
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On March 19 2012 03:23 xsksc wrote: 3) We do have plenty of time, keep in mind this was just a few hours after the game had started, we only had a few people posting. In my post that contains the "meat of your suspicions", I tell VE to put the breaks on a bit. I go on to say why I won't be joining his vote crusade until I've seen more of johnnys posts. Now, for whatever reason, you see it that I'm scummy because of this and you think that Johnny is a scared townie. Why then, would I wait and keep an open mind? Why doesn't scum xsk just throw an extremely easy vote on an extremely easy bandwagon? Because I'm town bro. 4) I ignored them because they're baseless. I've never been wishy-washy. My opinnion does not just change when I'm called out about it, like johnnys did. I don't care if it's unpopular. I would believe that he is 100% scum just from his responses to pressure IF it wasn't his first game, it sucks that we have to account for that, but we do, new players can make giant errors of judgement. I'm going to wait and see how he posts in the second part of day before I make my mind up. That's not being wishy-washy, it's being sensible. As for the last part, I didn't mean to imply that you are stupid, I think your case is stupid however, especially now that I'm seeing where the meat of it originated. I did not sidestep anything, I have nothing to pre-emptively defend from, and my stance on the matter should already be pretty obvious. Now, I'd LOVE to know your reasons for being so sure that johnny is town, please. Because no, you haven't stated why, all you've said was this. Why do you believe he is a newbie town and not a newbie mafia by the way he reacted? Let's roll with your example, why is he a deer and not a wolf? Both can be caught in headlights. Nothing in your filter indicates a reservation of opinion. It's clear that you already think he is scum and are shutting down evidence from a guilty until proven innocent standpoint. On March 19 2012 05:00 xsksc wrote: The problem is, a newbie scum who messed up would make the same exact defense here. Add to that some even more misrepresentation, acknowledging the only line I mention him yet somehow construe that I am "so sure" he is town, when I made no such read. I'm now more confident from these responses ##Vote: xsksc And all of this has nothing to do with johnnywup's alignment as you think it does. It is your actions and motives in interaction with him. | ||
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On March 16 2012 15:25 wherebugsgo wrote: 8. This game runs on a plurality voting system. In other words, the person with the most votes will be lynched at the end of every day. On March 17 2012 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Lynch will be decided by majority; reminder that no-lynch is an option (##vote no-lynch). Could we get clarification which system we are using? On March 19 2012 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I fail to see how this exercise has in any way indicated that xsksc is scum at all. I fail to see how this indicates anything at all. I think it indicates hypocrisy which I treat as scum tell. | ||
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On March 19 2012 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote: You think what indicates hypocrisy? Saying someone could be mafia for traits that he himself displays; I think that constitutes hypocrisy. | ||
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On March 19 2012 05:54 slOosh wrote: And all of this has nothing to do with johnnywup's alignment as you think it does. It is your actions and motives in interaction with him. And I wanted a clear response to my case rather than something that wasn't my case. My read basically aligns with Nemesis and Probulous, and I didn't defend him against VE because it was generating discussion and revealed people's thinking and actions, of which you were one. On March 19 2012 10:53 xsksc wrote: That's going along with your logic of course. But are you saying that hypocrisy isn't a good scum tell? Do you actually think I'm scum or are you just voting me to demonstrate that? Catching up on the thread now about the VE stuff. | ||
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On March 19 2012 13:02 xsksc wrote: Maybe that's good idea, tunnel vision is never a good thing. I think you are highly suspicious. Your case on me feels fabricated and nonsensical, and your filter contains nothing but silly attacks on me, you have literally commented on NOTHING else all game. Seriously, what on earth kind of reason is that to not elaborate on your read? Withholding information because I hadn't responded yet? WHY? I don't care if your case on me had nothing to do with johnnys alighnment, your case on me is entirely irellevent to the question. I answered your questions (some of them several times -_-), yet you still neglect to answer me every single time I ask you. Why would it have been so difficult to tell me where you got your town read on him from? Scumbuddies? I clearly explain why I didn't give my read and you even acknowledge that fact and you even quote the very reason in your post, but if your final response is "not good enough" then yea it's a waste of time to try to further explain myself and my time is better spent elsewhere. Has everyone just learned to ignore TIPD (Toad_in_Pink_Dress)'s posts? Contents of filter: - bunch of fluff - expression of suspicion on Tobon but no actions indicating a desire to make a better judgement as indicated by general inactivity and his lack of response to this quote On March 19 2012 07:01 Tobon wrote: Tha't fine. And what are your thoughts about VE's vote and then unvote for Johnnywup? And which, out of Sloosh and Xsksc do you think makes the better case? - a desire to lynch Nemesis without backing up with any reasoning On March 19 2012 14:08 Tobon wrote: I still have a pretty null read on JohnnyWup, but he (and I) are the ones who have had the most widespread support for lynching. Nemesis also has had several people gut feel read him as red. These two I'd also be willing to vote for if it means the difference between a lynch and a no-lynch because they are null to me and potentially achievable vote getters. Tobon can you explain why a lynch on people who you think are null is better than a no-lynch? | ||
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On March 20 2012 02:05 Snarfs wrote: First off, I don't think Nemesis is going down today, and I liked how collected he was in responding to my vote so that's off. He didn't get overly emotional or respond irrationally, which is what I would have expected from scum in his position. ##Unvote Nemesis I liked Nemesis and Probulous's votes on VE. I think since thoses votes we've seen a bit better VE. Mentions that Nemesis lynch is unviable for today in his explanation of unvote and in the same sentence says that he likes Nemesis' response and vote on VE (from which I infer he is leaning town read?). You can unvote someone because you now think they are town or if you want to avoid no-lynch and vote another mafia but I don't see how you can do both. Plus town Sandroba is boss. ##Unvote: xsksc ##Vote: Snarfs Probulous can you weigh in on Snarfs' posting this game? I know you played with him in Wiggle's mini not too long ago as well. | ||
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On March 20 2012 02:56 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: +Slo0sh VE was an sk in storm so it is not a great example of his town play. I don't understand this statement. Are you confusing me with someone else? | ||
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On March 20 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote: I changed my mind about xsksc Could you explain your read on xsksc? I want to improve my scum-hunting skills and I feel like I could learn much from you. | ||
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rule 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. ? | ||
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Additionally, its been pointed out, but this bandwagon is forming really fast and people are just jumping on. From what I understand from my experience w/ TL Mafia, jackal doesn't bother putting in effort D1 since he always dies / his early reads are poor (or at least that is what people say about him). Does it absolve him of lurking? Well, combined with St. Patrick Day, power outage and work I'm really leaning null. And a no-lynch is better than a lynch on (someone who I think is) a null read, especially since this is a true bandwagon where the only true read is Sandroba's and mostly everyone is sheeping. Not gonna lynch someone who I don't think is scum, and can't even apply the faulty "we get information out of it" because we won't. ##Unvote Snarfs ##Vote no-lynch | ||
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On March 20 2012 13:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, I'm just idly speculating because there isn't much to do until morning. *shrug* We can talk about me and the cases surrounding me. I'll address stuff brought up against me one point at a time (if I missed anything let me know) First is Probulous' case He first sets the tone with meta. This is dumb. It neglects the fact that the three games mentioned are all newbie games. When he is town he posts like crazy and forces town to follow his reads. He is forthright and pressuring .Why would I step into my first normal game and decide that my reads are better than all the veterans' and they should follow me? If you actually read the game where I am VT, none of my reads were correct. We mislynched every night and scum got perfect victory. Read my game is medic and find that my first case is a fluke and in the endgame it took a confirmed DT to clear the townie that I wanted to lynch. As a player I am trying to improve and if my town play is crap then of course I'm going to change things up. case on xsksc: I pressured him because something sounded weird and I wanted more information. I don't like how he responds and so I keep on the pressure to get a better read. Making bad cases aren't scummy - I made plenty of em as town in previous game and I am willing to accept that I made one this game too. It's motive behind it that matters - and I don't think I am totally unjustified in suspecting xsksc on his responses. this next point is pulled out of context: Then when this is not enough he moves in another direction VE asked me in this post and I explained myself. It's not another direction - someone has a question on my case and I responded to that. shift onto Snarfs / other stuff: I realized that my focus on xsksc led me to miss a lot of stuff going on in the thread. Which is what I tend to do when I tunnel and as effort to improve myself as a player I stopped. On March 19 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote: EBWOP: scratch that I'm rereading the whole thread. Realized I missed much stuff due to my dialogue w/ xsksc. Notice that this is the turning point in which I redirect my focus onto Snarfs / other stuff. The part of "hoping for a modkill" is bogus. I was wary of a possible infringement of rules and therefore I asked the question, because I didn't want the game to be ruined. Lastly is the hop off the Jackal - bandwagon issue: I looked at his filter and from what I understand from the mafia games I have read, jackal himself admits that his reads are really bad day 1. Combine that with the factors that I mention and I saw that it could just be that. The reason I didn't want to sheep Sandroba was because the bandwagon was forming really fast and I was scared that he could have been mafia pulling off an easy mislynch with no repercussions. I was willing to sheep on Snarfs because I could see how he could be mafia and that wasn't a 10 minute before deadline bandwagon, which allowed for additional information input and discussion and a possible change in vote. I didn't have that luxury with Jackal and so I decided no lynch was better than a null read lynch. Now with the Jackal flip I'd be totally content in letting him direct votes and such. But before that he didn't really respond to my questions with his xsksc read and so I was unsure if this was just his style or intentionally not giving his reads, hence the hesitation to do a total sheep (opposed to partial sheep when I could see for myself why Snarfs looked somewhat suspicious). Today is going to be on and off busy for me so I'll try my best to respond - but we shouldn't just wait for night to resolve, we should make most use of our time. Discuss me now so we don't waste most of tomorrow. | ||
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On March 21 2012 00:17 Dirkzor wrote: Hindsight is 20-20. I wasn't willing to blindly believe the mason claim as it could have been a gutsy mafia ploy - just because it was improbable doesn't mean it was impossible, and therefore I was wary of the possibility. Yes I was scared because it could have been a mislynch with net result 1 dead townie and no voting pattern information. You were scared that Sandroba was mafia pushing for a mislynch? Sandrobe is at best confirmed town (and was) at worst easy to find scum later on due to his mason claim. So thats bull. On March 21 2012 00:17 Dirkzor wrote: About this post. I disagree that it makes sloosh look scummier if jackal flipped town than if Jackal flipped scum. This post makes perfect sense if Sloosh knew Jackal allignment. We only had 7 votes on Jackal and this was 10 min before lynch. He only needed to convince 1 person to vote differently to get jackal off the hook. He spends most of this post explaining reasons why it is most likely that Jackal isn't scum. Then ends with: And a no-lynch is better than a lynch on (someone who I think is) a null read, especially since this is a true bandwagon where the only true read is Sandroba's and mostly everyone is sheeping. Not gonna lynch someone who I don't think is scum, and can't even apply the faulty "we get information out of it" because we won't. Which is gently telling people to take votes of because the lynch is bad without saying it outright. The post should also make sense if I was suspected the possibility of Sandroba being mafia and pulling off a mislynch with no repercussions, which I did. You are approaching this with confirmation bias. I didn't say Jackal isn't scum - I said I don't see him as scum, that I see him as null and that I don't think a null lynch is a good idea. And if you interpret my post to think I am subtly suggesting people take their votes off then I really don't know how to defend myself there because I just did what I thought best, and if it came off that way then what can I do? Inability to clearly express thoughts is a neutral tell - if you think I am intentionally obfuscating my posts than say so, but calling my ability to post clearly / play mafia as bad is just smearing mud on my name. | ||
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On March 20 2012 07:20 Dirkzor wrote: Last scum: Probulous Nemesis Sloosh Or 2 therein if only 3 scum. GG What are your thoughts on the other two? Does Prob look townie for building that case against me? What is your stance on me? Are you just discussing my no-lynch post to say that it actually gives off scummy vibes or are you saying that I am indeed scum and doing it in a roundabout way? | ||
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On March 21 2012 01:55 sandroba wrote: @sloosh can you please provide your complete and analytical read of nemesis and tobon? Shoot. I can't give complete read right now as I have something to go to but I want to give my reads unaffected by whatever night actions may resolve in case I am unable to post before deadline so I'll give quick thoughts: Nemesis: I liked him because VE was pushing johnny hard on what I thought was flimsy stuff, and he called VE out on it. That is my current impression of him but I haven't had a chance to read his post lynch posts. Tobon: Weird because several times he buddies up to me / tends to agree with me (but only after I post). Other than that it is hard to recall any of his posts without actually looking at his filter, which indicates he hasn't said anything that has impressed me. I promise to give the complete reads whenever I can. But this is the best I can do as I don't have time to reread right now. | ||
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