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On March 15 2012 03:48 blubbdavid wrote: F*ck this shit, /in Yes, it will be glorious! For the Newbs! I assume there will be cake? | ||
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If you could, I'd like to understand why Velinath went from being a good pick for Wheately when your win condition was "win with town" to a bad pick when your win condition turned into "other stuff". If anything, this makes Velinath sound like a good candidate. | ||
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Kenpachi, I don't understand your behavior. You say you need a in-thread majority vote on GlaDOS to receive your "superpowers". You aren't even close to said majority and you turn your item over to Drazerk (who claims third party with a win con that's not exactly pro town) in exchange for a vote? If you were town you could have held on to the item and used it pro-town until you were 1 vote short of voting off GlaDOS, then made the trade. Plus if what Drazerk says about the item is true (it shows you what item another player has but you can't do anything else), he probably won't be able to use it because he already has other 2 items that may require an action. This sounds scummish to me. Or at least stupid. Also, on another subject: Given that this is the Aperture Mafia, I wouldn't find it strange to have multiple portal guns lying around, so assuming he is chell (or that chell is town, though it feels correct to assume so) is bad. On March 18 2012 08:05 Jayjay54 wrote: there's two more reasons to lynch drazer right now, if we believe him. a) he claims to have 3 items. Assuming the anger thing is fake, he still has two important items, which means, there's a good chance that we can get to town by lynching (assuming town votes here). I believe a DT item is pretty cool on a more trusted player. b) he claims to have a portal gun, which makes him unshotable. I assume it's a busdriver thing. I actually think, we make a mistake, if we leave him alive. He lied about his wincon and is still lying. I believe he's third looking at the general reactions, but I think he is not at all town favouring. Jayjay, has the portal gun appeared in other games? Are you just supposing it has a busdriver effect or do you have some other knowledge about it? Drazerk has claimed another effect for it and he sounds like he's telling the truth. | ||
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On March 18 2012 11:22 ghost_403 wrote: @sbrubbles - in one of the important posts from the sleeper cell game, it is stated that someone stole 5 portal guns. FYI. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13516834 Huh? I'm not questioning the existence of portal guns. I'm just saying it may not be a busdriver effect (though thanks for the link; now we may assume there are 5 portal guns lying around). | ||
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On March 19 2012 11:43 gonzaw wrote: @Midnight: I think Drazerk said he gave all his items to the Cell Leader. Whether that's true and there does exist an Anger Core, or that's all bullshit altogether we don't know (I'd want to assume that's bullshit though). A good part of what Drazerk said is probably bullshit, but according to his role PM any items that come into his possession become permanently inoperable, so whatever became of them is now moot. | ||
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On March 19 2012 12:52 gonzaw wrote: Fuck, forgot about that. Yeah, maybe it's a bad idea. @Sbrubbles: It's odd seeing you here all of a sudden. This is the first time you've posted since the lynch, right? What thoughts do you have about it? Or thoughts about anything else? Sorry, haven't had the time to put full effort here. I was reading through the thread and saw a quick point to make, so I went and posted. For Drazerk I felt like he could have *tried* to play the game, but chose to suicide instead. Not a bad lynch. There also Kenpachi who gave him a useful item out of randomness, which I didn't understand at all. Sure, Kenpachi might already have an action, and per Drazer's description, the portal gun prevents you from doing any other actions when you use it, but he could have kept it on himself or gave it to a townie without an action and brought some usefulness out of it instead of giving it to the claimed useless 3rd party who was close to being lynched. On another note: On March 19 2012 11:49 Velinath wrote: I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could. @Veli, can you tell us what items are for sale? There's reason to suspect there are 5 (well, now 4) portal guns around, which (if we believe Drazerk) show what items a person has. If someone is found to have one item from this list, it would be a good lead for town. | ||
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@Midnight + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2012 06:40 MidnightGladius wrote: Did anyone else get item-blocked by the Breaker card, or was it just me? Kita, everyone I've posted about my role has been true. When I said that I had no role abilities and won with the town, that was in the context of people worrying that a PR Wheatley might have to be killed later on if his win-condition changed. Midnight, can you share with us what you meant by the "item-blocked" thing? Also, what's up with this: + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2012 11:59 Grackaroni wrote: I'm a 4th party role. I am unlynchable, bullet proof and I win with all possible roles/factions. Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree. My win condition is that I must collect the entire game's supply of lemons. My only weakness is that I am susceptible to poisoned lemons.... In reality, MidnightGladius said that people looking for lemons should grow a lemon tree... so i grew a lemon tree. It did nothing, and has no meaning. I haven't gotten anymore lemons but it's no big deal... unless of course I was telling the truth about my above role. On March 19 2012 12:12 Grackaroni wrote: Because MG is masoned with me and has a similar role. He is trying to collect potatoes. he just posted the bit about the lemons to make my lemon tree planting seem less suspicious Anyone trying to get potatoes? grow them. As far as I can tell, your only response was to call him silly. Did I miss something? @Kita, from what's been happening, I wouldn't see it bad to lynch Kenpachi. His play is way too erratic and borderline suicidal for a town player (though it doesn't rule out a mostly harmless 3rd party). Can you explain a bit what GMarshall has to do with the planar dragon? Do you assume Kenpachi and Drazerk had a connection because Drazerk checked him and found out he was also 3rd party? + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2012 02:58 kitaman27 wrote: The only reason I can think of Kenpachi having a GMarshal fake claim would be if he is the third party planar dragon. If that is the case, I don't think he should be today's lynch as we already used yesterday to eliminate a third party player. Lastly, after rereading the thread, bluelightz's posting really stands out as strange. He volunteers Wiggles (who, also kinda oddly) completely ignores it, then he keeps pushing it until a nonsensical post by Drazerk that makes him change his mind. After this he sticks to calling out lurkers mostly, targets Kenpachi and lurks from day 2 till now. He has made some suspicious moves but hopefully he can come explain himself. Otherwise I see him as valid lynch. | ||
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##Vote: Bluelightz | ||
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The thing is: he's alive. And, in fact he knew he would be alive from the very beginning (he asked Jayjay if his shot is unblockable on day 1). If he was town, he could have tried to post/contribute during day 2. If he managed to regain the trust of the town, he could even have claimed his item and that he was going to live. Why not do these things? ##Vote: sinani206 I don't like the ghost case at all and am slightly unconvinced on the Nisani case. Another point is that it still might be worthwhile to lynch Kenpachi later if we need information as to the consequences of voting Glados. For everyone (especialy Hassybaby, who frankly hasn't done much despite 5 pages of filter) who has questioned why I entered the bandwagon so late, it was more of a question of why not. On day 1 Drazerk ended the day acting like an idiot so I ended up voting for him, but I still saw Kenpachi as a better lynch. On day 2 I didn't want to vote for bluelightz at first suspicion. I only logged on again (on day 2) with an hour left to read the day's discussion and see if there was reason to change my mind. Note, though, that my vote was totally irrelevant on both cases. What did you want me to do? Actually lay down my vote for Kenpachi day 1? Or vote for someone entirely random on day 2, going against what I was saying/my read? The bandwagon was done at that point and my vote had no meaning whatsoever. Think of it what you will. On March 23 2012 23:51 MidnightGladius wrote: Sbrubbles looks like the next good lurker lynch, but there's a good chance he will be Burned to Death, at this rate. I realize that my play so far would warrant a lurker lynch/shot, but why do you think "Burned to Death" is a town KP? Willz wasn't posting much but at least it had quality. I might be going out on a limb, but I don't think town has KP, except maybe for an item-related abilities, like the lemons. | ||
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On March 24 2012 03:29 sinani206 wrote: I did try to ask people stuff on Day 2, but no one would respond, because of Jayjay. That's why I was mad at him and accused him. But now I realize he was simply trying to help town. That's why I said he wasn't as scummy anymore. Either way, I'm not scum. Fine, who do you suspect, then? | ||
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On March 24 2012 20:48 zelblade wrote: It probably really went to nisani. THere are basically 3 possibilities here. 1) Nisani is town and telling the truth. 2) Nisani is a scum inventor, gave the camera to himself. 3) A scum inventor gave it to him. Im going to assume that 4 & 5 can be eliminated since I have some faith in this town. Im actually unsure which of the first 3 it is now, and I need to reread nisani's filter carefully which I would do later. I thought he was pretty scummy before this whole incident though his responses to the pressure (which I havent taken a good look at) might redeem him. Going for dinner soon, anything to ask just shoot. Why would you disreguard 4)? The case against him is strong even without all this item business. If town can lynch him without revealing who has the camera, better. Zelblade, are you item-fishing? + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 18:38 Jayjay54 wrote: I mean, if you're really an inventor. And you want to survive, why would you give an item which basically vigs to a player who posted: ^^ both posts BEFORE I got the item. There are like 10 posts in which I mention that Nisani is a priority to me. Tell me guys, is that the one. you give your powerful item WITH VIG ability to? No? Damn right, he's (once more) lying! you, sir, are no inventor. you just happen to have a portal gun and used it on me. I totally agree with this point. From a town perspective, it doesn't make sense to give the person targeting you a means for him to kill you. Well, it doesn't make sense from any perspective, unless he claimed immediately after giving the item to avoid said shot. That said, there's a chance that he's really telling the truth and thought he could give JayJay the item, not get vigged and not get lynched without claiming anything. Small chance, but there nonetheless. Can we afford to give him the benefit of a doubt and instruct him on what to invent tomorrow? Tomorrow we'll be 100% sure if he was lying and we can lynch someone else today. I maintain my position on Sinani as a good lynch. | ||
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On March 25 2012 00:41 kitaman27 wrote: Since when can an inventor give himself an item? That would be incredibly imbalanced and there would never be any reason for a player to ever give an item to anyone else other than themselves. He claimed he can't give to the same person twice. But still if you're an inventor and can give yourself an item (if only once), why the hell wouldn't you give yourself a protection-type item, on night 1? | ||
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The only risk that we incur if we leave him alive is if he's a mafia with an extra night ability he'll get a last night to do his nefarious deeds. Otherwise lynch him today or lynch him tomorrow it will matter not. | ||
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On March 25 2012 02:15 Nisani201 wrote: Well if you tell me who to give it to, scum would just kill that person O.o If the item is received before the kill goes through (I don't know if it does), we can it an item that gives some sort of protection. Of course, there's also the risk of it being stolen, so I'm not too hot on you declaring to whom you'll give the item before you give it (yeah, we'd be depending on the strength of your town reads to pick out a townie). You would, of course, have to make whatever is decided here and tell us to whom you gave it to, afterwards. Anyways, I've got a bus to catch right now. I'll not be able to post until after the deadline. See you guys then. | ||
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Personalized booby trap: (one-shot) the first player to visit the owner of this item dies and that player's action is nullified. Kill flavor for this death is the same as the item owner's own kill flavor. If the owner of the booby trap doesn't have a kill flavor, the kill flavor will be "spontaneously combusted". It would be a one-shot PGO power with a twist in that it would reveal if the item owner's kill flavor if the item is set off. I figure we can draw a plan to keep the mafia guessing as to who is holding the item. My idea is that every morning whoever currently owns the item gives it to best town read. Then, at night, a second before the night actions are finalized (so that the mafia doesn't have a chance to change their night kill), he would reveal to whom he gave the item during the morning. It would be something like this: On day 1, Nisani gives item to one of the stronger town reads (player A) and announces it. Player A confirms receiving the item and gives it to his strong town read (player B) without telling anyone. At the last second of night 1, player A announces who he gave the item to. At beginning of day 2 player B gives it to player C and only reveals who player C is only at the last second of night 2. Rinse and repeat. I figure this is a good plan because: 1) This way the item can't be stolen 2) If someone has a bad town read and gives the item away to the mafia, we'll be able to spot the mafia through the kill flavor. Example: player A gives it to player B. At the end of the night, he tells everyone so. At the beginning of the next day there are 2 kills with the same kill flavor, or with a bit of luck, with kill flavors we recognize. We know player B is mafia. It might backfire if ... well, it has plenty to backfire, actually. If player A thinks player B is town, but player C thinks he's scum, player C may try to check player B and will die, losing us a power role. Still, with a bit of luck, it will result in a free mafia kill and a town protection, all in one convenient package. It is high-risk high-reward. Tell me what you guys think. Alternatively, we can just make this item and leave it with a confirmed PR or strong town player. | ||
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On March 26 2012 06:31 Hassybaby wrote: Pass. Also, if the Destabilisation level goes up at the end of tonight, again, I'm almost certain Midnight has it, and killed gonzaw for it Hmm ... does that mean you know something about Midnight or gonzaw? Can't you tell us what that is? | ||
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