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On March 16 2012 13:29 Lanaia wrote: I'm baking portal cookies and you don't get any because you're all far away. glhf I won't be around for a couple hours of after gamestart. Sorry! Send them through Fedex, the Post, or UPS. I live in Canada too, so it shouldn't cost that much to send. T.T | ||
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So is that actually the reason you shot him Drazerk? I don't see why you'd think that about VE as compared to anyone else, and why you'd shoot him without posting. | ||
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On March 17 2012 09:20 gonzaw wrote: The point is that Drazerk being Sleeper Agent, and planning shooting VE as a "ploy" doesn't make sense. He could still be from another scum faction, but in that case I don't think he would know VE was a sleeper agent (unless scum have a Day-DT as well, and got lucky). Okay, there have been only 6-7 people actively posting in this thread, and only 9-10 posted at all. The remaining 21-22 players need to post. If he was another scum faction, he'd just kill him based on reputation and meta. i.e. get rid of a strong player as fast as you can. On March 17 2012 09:22 Drazerk wrote: Kill wasn't compulsive It is usable at any time with some major limitations It's name is Shadows and Flames I need items and that is all I am telling you about my role I did it for three main reasons - A) take out someone who I thought would be too dangerous if they was scum / third party ( there was a few on this list but it came down to past experiences ) B) Prevents stupid fluff posts at the start of the game and causes discussion which in turn allows us to scum hunt efficiently C) I really wanted to use the ability before they got to do anything Are you claiming Neutral Balrog Survivor? :p I'm not sure how much discussion it really has created, more so than confusion. At least you hit scum, though, and his role had valuable info in it. If you had hit town, you would have thrown all of day 1 down the toilet. I'm not sure if I buy that reason, and I'm going to keep my eye on you. On an unrelated note, this game makes my brain hurt. What did Celtic Guardian do in the show again? I forget, I just remember Yugi used him all the time. | ||
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On March 17 2012 09:41 Drazerk wrote: They should claim the power instantly. Only issue is who ever gets it has a lot of time to prepare a fake ability so really it serves no purpose but to bend them to our knees and force them to do what we tell them to do as a collective town Depending on the ability they fake, they'll have to be able to reproduce the results, and we can assume the ability will probably be something unique, based on the game so far. So, if the person claims "It was an extra night-life!" Or something, we'll know they're probably lying. Also, it might be detectable to information roles. Would this extra ability be tacked onto a person's existing role? So, if a role cop checked them, would they see the ability, or just the role like normal? | ||
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On March 17 2012 14:57 sinani206 wrote: OK first of all you're scum. Second of all, you're contradicting yourself by saying that he gave decent reasoning. It was a good shot and he almost definitely wouldn't have shot that early as scum and then claimed. He claimed after the flip, and not before. He didn't say, "I'm shooting VE", and then shot VE. Instead, he shot VE, then claimed after the flip. That is, he claimed only after we knew he killed an anti-town player. If he's scum and VE flipped town, there's no way he'd have claimed. If he's town, maybe, maybe not. Either way, he claimed after the flip, and that makes the fact of claiming the shot a null tell. To call him confirmed town for claiming is either jumping to conclusions, or trying to push a scumbuddy's status. | ||
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On March 17 2012 15:14 gonzaw wrote: Cool, do you have anything to say regarding Drazerk's comments? Here: No, don't tell me if you are Day-DT and checked him or not, I don't care. Just tell me if he's bullshitting or not, or if you have no idea what he's talking about. Lanaina, sinani, Zephird, what do you think about Blazinghand? And what do you think about Midnight? Any other thoughts/reads from you guys are welcomed @Grack: Do you really need lemons? Do they have something to do with your role, or are you just having some fun? So what do you think about the other things Drazerk did? For instance his "Don't vote me" thing, or the "I know Vel is town" statement, or him giving you an item? Also, Wiggles, anything else to contribute? @Kenpachi: Please stop spamming All of his actions are riding off of cryptic hints about his role, and that instantly makes me distrust it, same as for Kenpachi's claim. He only says to vote for him, or it might hurt the town. Then he says I'm not the same as him, but this other guy is the same as him or a DT, but we don't even know what he is, or what it means to be the same as him. Voting for the person he wants, only works if you actually believe everything he's saying for sure, and completely trust him. I don't, so I'm going to make my own read and vote for a person I think is town, and who I think is capable enough to use a power role without blowing up the town. I haven't received any notifications about him giving me an item. Can you link where he said that? | ||
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On March 17 2012 15:28 gonzaw wrote: Mmm, Just one more thing I noticed from the OP: It says it reveals the role, but doesn't say it reveals the alignment. So VE could have been RED, but his alignment didn't flip. I guess we can only confirm this with the next flips though. The OP shows the role PMs containing faction color, so it just means that VE was black. We don't actually know if there's reds, or italics, or whatever other factions might exist in the game. We can assume there's another scum team though, no matter the color, simply because a sleeper cell team of four people is pretty underpowered in a big themed game like this. | ||
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On March 17 2012 22:12 Drazerk wrote: I claim balrog I have to get 5 items to win the game and kill Gandalf When my win condition is met I leave the game. Old win condition was to just survive to the end with town only My attack is unblockable but I cannot discuss the limitations attached to it while my DT item can be used twice a cycle at day and night but it will only tell me if they are like me. There are three other people like me and I am certain that vel is one of them especially since he knew the name of my role ( I know the names of the other roles so I am presuming they do as well ) I also presume I am going to die anyhow so bring it on Gandalf I have a bomb ready and waiting. So did you not end up realizing that you're a third party who's playing a multi-player assassin game, or what? Your claim makes things a lot easier for town, though. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Assassin_in_the_Palace You say there are three other people like you, so that implies that there's 3 other third parties we have to kill, or that there's three other people trying to kill Gandalf. Either way, thanks for the info. On March 18 2012 00:20 Hassybaby wrote: I agree, but I don't think a lynch should be used. I'd like to leave that for night vigs and shizzle On March 17 2012 22:33 Drazerk wrote: Hunt scum not third party. You gain nothing from my death. This is wrong. This is a game where we are not sure what roles are present, or how much KP we are facing. For all we know, the entire town can blow up by the end of day 2. Drazerk has already shown that he is chaotic, first with his kill, and then with his inconsistent claims. Anyone who thinks we can actually control his shots isn't thinking very far ahead. First, there's the likely possibility he doesn't listen to us, if he thinks he has a shot at Gandalf, and there's the possibility that if he gets any KP items he will use them to shoot into his Gandalf targets. Secondly, we don't want to have him shoot every day, unless there's some way to actually have a near-confirmed scum target. Our goal as town right now, should be to remove as much anti-town KP from the game as we can, since as the game goes longer our chances at winning increase, should enough townies survive. Third, one of the strengths of town vigi's is the ability to make independent KP choices where scum can't actually change the outcome. If we direct him in the thread, scum can easily influence where the KP goes, especially using some kind of vote system. However, if we don't use a vote system, Draz can just choose a target raised that he thinks is likely to be Gandalf, and just shoot him, claiming that he followed the thread's direction. As well, look at how Day 1 has turned out so far. Near the entirety of the day has been spent talking about a third party, and his role. If we leave him in the game, the same thing is going to happen every day. He is a third-party, not town aligned, and his win condition isn't parallel to ours. He holds anti-town KP, and wants to hold many of our items. Scum won't give him any items, so any that he receives will come from town, taking them from our hands, and giving them to a third party. Don't give him any items, we're lynching him. ##Vote: Drazerk On March 18 2012 01:23 Jayjay54 wrote: he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN. If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying. I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town. This is fallacious reasoning. Trying to give Wheatley to a weaker player because they can't abuse it, doesn't really work, except in the case that the person is independent third-party, if sleeper cells work the same way as normal. If the person is scum, then his scum-buddies can direct him with how to use it. If he's a cell member, there's probably a cell leader who can send him a message to direct him in his action use, like in the sleeper cell games. Choosing a weak player doesn't mitigate against scum getting the role. Instead, it's much better to just choose a player we think is likely to be town, whether or not they're new or inexperienced or not, and help direct them in their role. | ||
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On March 18 2012 03:26 MidnightGladius wrote: @gonzaw: Kenpachi's also been scattering the town's concentration with his glados voting and the nonsensical party with blazinghand. I don't like that at all, but I take it that this is what he usually does, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If he doesn't actually start contributing soon, or continues to attempt to derail, then that could quickly change. Wiggles is making decent sense to me, but I wish he'd read a bit more carefully. He's already slipped up once in terms of comprehension (thinking Drazerk had given an item instead of using it). His latest analysis is solid. That wasn't me, that was Gonzaw. Ironic. Can someone explain to me why people want to vote in Velinath as Wheatley? He was the target initially proposed by Drazerk, and that's where the votes started, but I have no idea why they continued. | ||
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Foolishness is a poet, and don't we all know it. Speaking in rhyme, guilty of no crime, Man of smarts and wit. | ||
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On March 18 2012 04:28 Lanaia wrote: Not lynching drazerk, but I will not trust him. At another point, I'd be fine with it. In the past few pages (since I went to bed at least), I've not liked Velinath. The way he's reinforcing that he's town, not third party is definitely rubbing me the wrong way. I do agree with Foolishness in regards to his vote on dirk hardpec or whatever his name is. His only post is fluff. I don't even understand why he felt compelled to say it. The wording feels incredibly forced. "In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then." I've been in a group similar to that in a different game, but we only had to live until Cthulhu arrived (however, we were all shot by then), so I'm sure it's not impossible. Why doesn't it make sense from a balance point, dirk hardpec? After he replies, I'll make my decision of whether or not I vote him. I'd like to hear from Cyber. He hasn't posted since his /in. The people I'd like to elect aren't even running. I guess this means I should be electing blazinghand because I'd changed my mind about velinath. To clarify: Drazerk is not currently of the same faction as VE was, right? I just need to make sure I understand this. Who do you want to elect? If we find someone who's probably town, I have no problem dragging them kicking and screaming into the Wheatley spot. Chances are pretty high that some of the people asking for it are scum who want powers, so we should be looking at them closely after today. Foolishness, why do you want to vote in Velinath? | ||
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I'm going to throw my election vote on Velinath, because between him and BH, he seems more transparent and townie to me. I think Drazerk's lying about someone contacting him, and then using a DT item on him. Draz already said he checked me, so it wasn't his own check, either. Also, someone should check Kenpachi tonight. | ||
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On March 19 2012 03:05 Zephirdd wrote: hmmm if you do that you are banned. Also I don't buy that you communicated with the cell leader. IF you actually did that, then both you and him broke rules. (from OP) I assume that this include non-forum private messaging methods. I'm not sure if this includes scums can't PM eachother, but I'll assume that the main scum(the red scum faction) should have PMs allowed. I'd appreciate if mods clarified if PMs may be allowed depending on your role So, if you were telling the truth, you both should have to be modkilled. You are alive, and mods already posted. Therefore, that's a mod-confirmed lie. Unless, of course, they decide to snipe the cell agent after your flip. That just means that you can't just PM whoever you want as whoever. For example, that would say the same thing in a game with masons. That's just a general rule in other words, and things like role overact it. I would also think some items would give PM capabilities. | ||
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On March 19 2012 04:38 Kenpachi wrote: Foolishness has a fakeclaim or posting restriction (which might be part of his fakeclaim). I received a fakeclaim at my disposal but i dont want to use it cause its too much work. Why is Kitaman mafia? well, that opening post is fucking terrible. lots of ambiguous questions, mindless responses, and Drazerk mentioned, He said NOTHING. seriously, kill him someone Why do you have a fakeclaim? You third party or scum? | ||
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On March 19 2012 05:55 Drazerk wrote: Oh cool I have majority never mind I am a village idiot with a day vig shot Cheers for playing Good for you, now you're out of the way.  | ||
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On March 19 2012 08:10 Grackaroni wrote: Well he had a DT ability that can be used during day that checks if a player is a being of great power. He told us you were the planar dragon. I guess he could have lied, he has no more reason to help town than he does to mess with it. On March 17 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote: Wiggles is someone who should never win the election for several reasons 1) If he is scum we are screwed and there is no coming back 2) If he is town and it turns bad we are also screwed 3) I used an item on Wiggles and know he is not the same as me which makes me hesitant for anyone to vote for him without an excellent argument @gonzaw: I'm not sure what exactly you want me to do or say in response to you. If you want me to spew all my reads into the thread, I'm not going to do so. When I want to push a scum in the thread, I'll write a case and post it. I don't like to share town reads either, unless it's a person under discussion/scrutiny, or there's a specific reason to, i.e. they're up for a lynch, someone's saying to shoot them, etc.. For example, I think Kenpachi's a great target for a check. He's being obscure about his role, and he gave an item to a self-claimed third party, who was very likely to be lynched. That he did so, makes me think he's playing more towards an alternate win condition, than actually trying to win with town. | ||
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On March 19 2012 09:00 gonzaw wrote: Zephird: I'm waiting for your responses as well. Kenpachi: Can you give reasoning behind those reads? You haven't done anything like that by now. You haven't written any "cases" yet. If your answer to that is "Well, I don't think anyone is scum for now", then why don't you pressure people and try to find them? Will you just sit back and do nothing until someone does something scummy enough for you to notice? That's not how it works. There are some things I want you to do, for instance tell me what you think about Lanaia and Zephird, with reasoning and thought process behind it. Why could you create a bucket of water? What specific thing about your Role PM tells you you could create such an object? Stop being vague Velinath, you promised to be transparent about this, so stop wasting our time, just spill everything out from the get go. What resource? Again, spill it out. On Zephird: I don't like his early posting, as it mostly consists of spam and commentary. After that, though, it actually picks up a fair bit. He puts pressure on Drazerk, and actively participates in relevant discussion. He seems like he's playing freely, as he isn't scared to share his reads when relevant, and changes his mind a few times. He's also been consistent on his stance on directing blues. Overall, a slight town-read. On Lanaia: Null. I always seem to have trouble reading her, because her play never seems to stand out a lot to me. In this game, she's been posting a lot of reads, but without much reasoning, which makes them pretty throwaway. Her other posts are based around the game mechanics, which doesn't reflect much on alignment. I'll have to watch her more on day 2, to see if she actually starts to provide reasoning, or just continues only giving alignment reads. Could be a good night 2 shot. | ||
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