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Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post....
On March 12 2012 09:10 Mattchew wrote:
liars and lurkers comes up every game and is the easiest place for scum to hide posts that look like they contain anything useful. its a stupid policy, we should lynch on cases and strong meta reads day 1, and then cases only day 2 and forward
Because it's just so damn bad <3
## Vote Mattchew
I hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro.
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On March 12 2012 10:34 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 23:44 layabout wrote:1. Publicly announcing who you are in PM contact with: There are situations in which it may be advantageous to announce that you have been PM-ing a player. However, announcing who you are in contact with by default shares information that is of little use to town but that scum would benefit from knowing. For example, if an all-town PM circle was established and announced immediately scum would know that all the players were town and they could then react to this. 2. I like butter 3. Obligatory MS-Paint: + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 04:06 layabout wrote:On March 12 2012 04:01 Mattchew wrote:
so can someone explain to me why keeping your talking buddies private is helpful to town?
What i want to know is who people were talking to outside of thread before they die. It seems very helpful to scum to not reveal who they are PM'ing and kill them off if they are suspicious of them and we don't want to hold them accountable for being in talks with them?
hmmm... it is pretty obvious and has been stated in part already. wait a minute On November 30 2011 07:47 Mattchew wrote:
Layabout, I am not sure if you are town or scum, either way you are retarded and I hope to god that someone off's you quickly and you ragequit the mafia forum and I never have to read a post by you again.
vote mattchew unless somebody claims scum i am killing this guy MS Paint trolling post coupled with dragging a vendetta from a previous game in. I really don't like the way you are playing right now.
Oh, sorry. You haven't played with Layabout, we all just ignore what he says.
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On March 12 2012 15:57 Node wrote:
Right now I'm feeling the Jackal lynch more than anything else. He says that he plays differently every game, but I feel that enough of a case has been made to show that that's not at all true (see: Curu's post). His tentative posting so far this game does remind me of his posts in Hammer Mini Mafia, where he was also scum. He also listed me as one of the "good" players, which is so utterly wrong it's hilarious. (not a real reason for voting him, but seriously, I'm terribad)
I also don't think that Caller is scum, based purely on the fact that he's the first person to make a real case and get some actual discussion going. I feel scum would've been content to let the thread continue to wallow in LaL arguments and the PM debate, where no progress was being made.
I think it's interesting that you admit to being a bad player especially since I searched your name and found that you have played and hosted in multiple games. You are counting Caller out as scum because he was the first to make a case? Well if I would have known that it's that easy to get off your radar I would have done that first. In BC's game Liquid`Sheth was the first to make a case and he ended up being scum.
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On March 13 2012 11:00 Node wrote:
I buy Jackal's roleclaim. I don't think it's too far-fetched to have a suicidal vigi in a normal game, and it supports the statement in the day 1 post that this game is themed around "choices". (that is to say, the choices we make have especially harsh consequences. like death.) It's also a role that makes sense in the context of a game where it's possible for the mafia to hide the alignment flip. More importantly, it's an easily verifiable claim -- were I mafia, it's a claim I sure as hell wouldn't make. You can say that's just WIFOM, but the point stands that it's hella easy for us to see whether or not Jackal is being truthful.
This is a bunch of blah blah for a small point. I don't really see much motivation for this post other than trying to look useful to the town. In reality it really doesn't contribute anything to the discussion other than more to read. From the way he is talking about roles it appears he has something hide or knows something about the game. He's not bringing anything new to the thread in any of his posts.
On March 13 2012 11:36 Node wrote:
Oh well, it might just be an empty gesture at this point, but I'm going to vote Sheth for not explaining his vote on BM and excessive lurking, especially after claiming he would be posting more today. Others are welcome to join me.
That's pretty ironic because his vote is just as empty as Sheth's. Node clearly does not care about the lynch because there wasn't any follow up or any effort to convince anyone else. It's just like his previous post where he wants to kill Jackal. Sure he speaks his thoughts but he isn't convincing anyone of anything he says. His apathy about the town is very noticeable.
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VE, Hi! So, I took a look at your filter and noticed that a majority of your posts came recently during the night. How strange for VE to be so active during the night but when it comes to lynchy time, you bat your eyelashes, lift your skirt up and run off with a nice man.
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On March 14 2012 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Awww, you interrupted your scummy lurking just for me Katina? Really, you shouldn't have.
It's true, I made it no secret that I was lurking D1. It's not strange at all if you actually read my posts. Care to explain your complete absence from the thread?
<3 I haven't technically been absent. I have been reading through everything and you my dear sir looked worthy enough to say something to. Cool story, bro. You never mentioned me until I called you out. Was I bringing some unwanted attention towards you that made you feel the need to try and flip it back onto me?
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On March 14 2012 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 02:44 Katina wrote:On March 14 2012 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Awww, you interrupted your scummy lurking just for me Katina? Really, you shouldn't have.
It's true, I made it no secret that I was lurking D1. It's not strange at all if you actually read my posts. Care to explain your complete absence from the thread? <3 I haven't technically been absent. I have been reading through everything and you my dear sir looked worthy enough to say something to. Cool story, bro. You never mentioned me until I called you out. Was I bringing some unwanted attention towards you that made you feel the need to try and flip it back onto me? Yes, you can tell by my explosion in activity that I'm scared of "attention" madame. Pull the other one. I was referring to your absence during the very lynch you accused me of avoiding. Where were you during that time? You realize we no-lynched, correct?
Yep, I'm aware there was a no-lynch. I wasn't here (obviously) but apparenlty half the town wasn't here either. It's more odd for you to be gone during a lynch, considering your usual activity level.
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On March 14 2012 02:55 Mattchew wrote:i found katina ![[image loading]](http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8938/photo82c.jpg)
I love you <3 If only you weren't mafia.
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On March 14 2012 09:00 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 15:57 Node wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Right now I'm feeling the Jackal lynch more than anything else. He says that he plays differently every game, but I feel that enough of a case has been made to show that that's not at all true (see: Curu's post). His tentative posting so far this game does remind me of his posts in Hammer Mini Mafia, where he was also scum. He also listed me as one of the "good" players, which is so utterly wrong it's hilarious. (not a real reason for voting him, but seriously, I'm terribad)
I also don't think that Caller is scum, based purely on the fact that he's the first person to make a real case and get some actual discussion going. I feel scum would've been content to let the thread continue to wallow in LaL arguments and the PM debate, where no progress was being made. Exhibit A of how to join a bandwagon with no reasoning, yet somehow take up 2 paragraphs. Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 10:02 Node wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 13 2012 09:57 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Change of heart, Node? I'm thinking it over. Didn't want it to become a majority while I was unsure. Bigger post coming. Reeks of uncertainty, reluctance to commit. says bigger post coming with no follow up. Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 11:36 Node wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh well, it might just be an empty gesture at this point, but I'm going to vote Sheth for not explaining his vote on BM and excessive lurking, especially after claiming he would be posting more today. Others are welcome to join me. Highly ironic post, not even attempting to make sense. I believe someone else also pointed out how bad this post is. Does anyone actually think that Node is town?
Thank you! I'm glad someone is seeing this too. I made a smiliar case agaisnt Node before the end of day one but people came and spammed it away facepalm. Node is definitely scummy and should be shot immediately.
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I'm voting Node. The reasons are pretty obvious.
A. Empty vote on Sheth with no follow up
B. Doesn't bring anything new or useful to the thread
I'm going to miss VisceraEyes 
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Have you guys noticed that Node has appeared to have fallen off the face of the earth? He hasn't responded to any of the cases that have been made against him. He comes in, points an empty finger at someone, then gone again. Take a look at his filter, don't worry it's not a long read so it won't take up much of your time. I would like to see him make a case in his defense or any case really....
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Ah, completely missed that post.
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On March 12 2012 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 15:03 Bill Murray wrote:
@doctorh, what are the reasons you like from curu? I'm catching up, and I value your opinion. That is also why I am sort of sheeping you. You saw what I saw out of gumshoe, switched when that wagon wasn't going anywhere for some reason, and probably found a good one here.
I remember Caller's posting earlier on in the day being suspect. He came in like a bull, china flying everywhere, and the broken glass and debris are making it easy to see a case on him being valid.
tl;dr: catching up, asking questions, can see caller being scum Caller came in trolling then made his case when there was light pressure and it seems forced. I'm not totally sold on him at the moment because I feel like this is pretty much in line with the way he always acts but Curu does make a better case. I still think Caller is a better lynch than Jackal but I'm not confident enough to push it. Caller's case is based on, from what I can tell, misunderstanding of jackals post and then overstating the significance of it. Curu has a meta read that is at least accurate. Jaybrundage is one of those players who seems to me to be participating only in the surface discussion and making little effort to figure out what peoples motives are or hunt scum. His last few posts speak for themselves really. His confidence is a little bit out of place for a newer scum player though. I'm torn between Caller and jaybrundage right now. I'd be on prplhz in an instant if his logic wasn't equally terrible last time I played with him. I'm waiting for Pandain to come into play, he's awful so I'll know right away if he's scum or not.
So here Doctor H makes a post about Caller’s trolling in the beginning. Then goes to say how Caller is a better lynch candidate than Jackal which is fine but later he posts the following.
On March 12 2012 08:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:VE and Pandain have both been pretty inactive which is unusual. I don't buy into the case against Jackal to be honest, it seems forced as hell. Show nested quote +he instead first brings up a list of random people that he thinks would be lynchable in my shitty circumstance He was clearly trying to demonstrate how your logic was flawed and selective, which to be honest was right on point. I'd down with lynching Caller to be honest. This "haha i was fucking with you all along to see how you'd all react!" thing reeks of bullshit to the core. The case on Jackal is forced, he's just playing disruptively.
Now he is onboard with the Caller lynch.
On March 13 2012 05:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
How does Caller thinking a scum would defend another scum make him scum? Maybe I'm not following your logic.
Jackal, roleclaiming was unnecessary. If there is no claim to the contrary I'll believe you. Dreamflower is a pretty specific role and I doubt there is more than one in this game as opposed to something like medic or veteran.
We need to reconsider the business surrounding prplhz. His play is poor but it's not particularly scummy and the attempt to pin someone as scum for making a similar case around the same timeframe is ridiculous and comes off to me as a hamfisted attempt by scum to start a bandwagon. The fact that it took makes me even more sure it's scum originated or backed.
Wiggles is the first to jump on it, doing nothing in the game besides talk about mechanics/town strategy (at great length) until this point I'm surprised his first attempt at hunting scum is so forced and illogical. The fact that prplhz made a case near the same time period is inconclusive, might perhaps implicate that he is town talking to curu or caller in PM but hardly mafiaesque.
Jitsu is the only one who voted for him and he's already been in the hotseat. This is the most alarming event in this thread to me. The Caller vs VE deal is really coming off to me like an ensuing tragedy of townie vs townie.
Take a look at the last sentence, it made me eyebrow raise. He finishes this post off with the Caller Vs. VE situation. He refers to it is as a townie vs. townie when before he was a supporter of Caller’s lynch and pointing out his trolling. There appears to be a change of heart here that was not mentioned and this sentenced was buried down in last line. I took a look at Doctor H’s filter and noticed something else. He makes a habit of pointing numerous fingers at other people in his cases.The contexts of his posts are all over the place. His posting throughout the game has been inconsistent and that is scummy. He tries to divert the attention onto everyone else when the attention should be on him.
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On March 15 2012 03:59 jaybrundage wrote:I would like to lynch Kurumi or KatinaKurumi for what i think could be a scum slip. As prplhz has pointed out his Rattata reference can be seen as mafia attracting the tratior or the tratior trying to call out mafia. I'm not sure why this has been glossed over quite so easily. Tratior has to be joined with the mafia and the sooner the better a free kill point for them. Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 05:51 Kurumi wrote:
My Rattata and I need friends.
I am voting for the person who put the least effort into voting Jackal and this is Node. It's D1 and I don't want to lose him. We can verify his claim at any time.
Also
Jackal's Town: He gets roleblocked. Mafia loses 0.5KP every Night.
Jackal's Scum: Thanks to basic math we might work out that he is lying about roleblocks.
He has been posting in polish and generally not really contributing. He puts a vote on node because he has put in much effort. But besides that makes little contributions the the thread. Then votes for Caller because he he say's he doesn't think we will see the flip. Is he planning to hide it as scum. Or does he think that Caller is bullshitting about the whole thing which seems unlikely and dumb. Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 10:33 Katina wrote:Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post.... On March 12 2012 09:10 Mattchew wrote:
liars and lurkers comes up every game and is the easiest place for scum to hide posts that look like they contain anything useful. its a stupid policy, we should lynch on cases and strong meta reads day 1, and then cases only day 2 and forward Because it's just so damn bad <3 ## Vote MattchewI hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro. Regarding Katina her first post she jumps on Mattchew. She makes a case and points fingers simply because she wants to "fit in." So she makes a bad case on Matt with little to no reasoning saying his posts was just bad? Doesn't put any effort in it. She calls out people for posting with no content, however she has no content of her own. This play style is very similar to how she played in BCAC. She constantly called out people with out posting any thing of her own. She then calls out Node calling him on lack of content and flip flopping. Well this post has some merit. and Node has potential as red. I can totally see Katina pushing a teammate that has no content. Very similar to how she pushed her scum buddy sheth last game Also in BCAC.Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 10:33 Katina wrote:Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post.... On March 12 2012 09:10 Mattchew wrote:
liars and lurkers comes up every game and is the easiest place for scum to hide posts that look like they contain anything useful. its a stupid policy, we should lynch on cases and strong meta reads day 1, and then cases only day 2 and forward Because it's just so damn bad <3 ## Vote MattchewI hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro. She also tried to discredit a now confirmed townie VE Overall I would like to lynch either one of them. Any thoughts questions Oh and Palmar I would like you to PM me and roleclaim to me please.
First off, I'm not mafia. Sorry to disappoint you. I'm not the first one to point fingers at others, have you not been here? Unlike others, I'm pointing because I have a reason, and the suspicion for it and that reason is to try and find scum. I have been reading the posts and trying to figure out who might be mafia just like the rest of the town. Of course VE is confirmed, he's dead.... Stop wasting time with me and go after the real scum.
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It's possible that he might be the traitor. It's hard to tell with Kurumi. He could be faking as well for all we know to try and confuse the mafia. I would keep an eye on him and wait to see what happens.
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I still think Mattchew is mafia.
1. He asks a lot of questions and doesn't do much else
2. He uses a lot of animations which makes it seems like an attempt to contribute when it's really not
Wherebugsgo posted a lot of pictures and gifs in storm mafia and he was mafia that game.
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On March 15 2012 09:29 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 09:16 Katina wrote:
I still think Mattchew is mafia.
1. He asks a lot of questions and doesn't do much else
2. He uses a lot of animations which makes it seems like an attempt to contribute when it's really not
Wherebugsgo posted a lot of pictures and gifs in storm mafia and he was mafia that game. WBG was posting gifs because he thought that it would be funny. I am fairly sure that Mattchew is not posting animations to make himself look like he is contributing.
maybe, but WBG has never been known to do that to that extent in the past. Posting pictures and gif's constantly like that is a good way to make it appear like you care about the game without having to type much of anything. What better way to hide as mafia than to not have to say anything? When you combine this idea with the fact that Mattchew has been rather apathetic and not really speaking his mind it should be clear that he's not concerned the town.
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We should leave kurumi alone for now and focus on better lynch targets. I feel in someway he thinks he was being useful to the town. his actions through the game have been congruent with everything he has said. Im not completely sold on him yet, hes worht keeping an eye on for now.
As for players like mattchew and Doctor H, they are better candidates for a lynch.
Mattchew: Is scummy to me, he has been from the start. He overuses animations, and he asks a lot of questions without providing his own answers. He hasn't contributed much to the town and is pretty much useless. Not to mention his mass amount of pointless one-liners.
DoctorHelvetica: He has been very inconsistent this game and that isnt helping the town. There has been a lot of fingering pointing without follow up that is just causing confusion. His lack of focus makes me wonder what's on his agenda because its not on the town.
My rising suspicion right now is on Deconduo. I have looked over his filter and noticed that he doesn't contribute much of anything either. A majority of his posts are short and just basically agreeing with whoever he is quoting. He hides and doesn't come out until someone mentions him.
On March 14 2012 22:19 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 22:15 Palmar wrote:
He has also just come off a game where he actively tried to lose the game for town as town (see resistance). I agree that he's a good target anyway though.
So do you think Caller is town? In addition, I'm thinking of killing you Deconduo, what do you have to say about that? If you are thinking of killing me because you think I'm scum then you're wrong. If its because I've been inactive then fair enough. I would be pushing for my lynch too. I'm stepping up my game though.
He promised to step up his game and hasn't delivered.
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On March 16 2012 02:27 layabout wrote:
Can somebody be a dear an explain why they are so certain that Kurumi is mafia?
Kurumi isn't mafia. He is not just speaking nonsense and flooding the thread even though his plan backfired and caused a major distraction. And in between all of the pokemon crap he was actively speaking his mind. You can tell he is not mafia becaunse his posting has been entirely consistent from day 1. He has not been flip flopping or doing any other tell-tale signs of mafia. His agenda from the start was purely in the town's interest. His posting through the game has also been genuine, especially around the time when he claimed his role.
The fact that Kurumi is around defending himself and trying to help should be an indicator that he has the town's interest at heart. Look at how many people have said DrH is mafia. All he ever replies with is one liners and the occasional retard insult. We are wasting our time with him when there are other people that need to be heavily pressured.
##Vote DoctorHelvetica
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On March 16 2012 03:30 Jitsu wrote:Thank you LayAbout. The reason I didn't go beyond the most recent game, however, is because people might tend to change styles of play over long periods of time. I think if you go back to my first game (Election Mafia, which happened right before Responsability) you would see a shift in my game from then to now. I don't like to think that simply because someone replaced halfway into a game makes them a better or worse player. Palmar came in this game himself, and is doing things that I can recognize as Town Palmar. Being aggressive, putting reads out there, gaining massive thread presense and controlling the mood. Kurumi subbed into Storm and was much more productive that game as a town player then this game as a player in general. That is why I look at his overall posting history in this game, and what it looks to accomplish, and his overall posting history to last game, and what THAT was working to accomplish (Along with his actual alignment) and compare them. I figured since what I was doing before wasn't working, I might as well try something new and see how it works out, right? Do you firmly believe Kurumi ISN'T Mafia? Like, are you near deadset on him flipping town?
I am pretty certain he will flip town
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