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this is how its gonna work i'm gonna find the mafia, and then i'm gonna kill them. any questions? no? good. i say we kill gumshoe for being meta i also say we kill doctorh because i feel like it. i haven't summarily executed anyone in a while, even as a mod | ||
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i have a policy of lynching the first person to use the word "pro-town." haven't been wrong once. well, haven't been right once either. goddamnit can we just kill this guy | ||
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gumshoe and jitsu come to mind here. At least one of you is mafia. The other is probably a stupid townie. i say we lynch one of them... after we kill doctor h, of course. here's why we kill doctor h: a) doctor h is town mafia will likely be disorganized this round, so whether or not we kill him this does nothing. b) doctor h is mafia we take out mafia and their probable leader. having played with doctor h numerous times i can tell you that he is a leader type. and if we take out the mafia leader we'd really fuck up the mafia organization and strategy. tldr: one of jitsu and gumshoe is scum, we should kill doctor h because whether or not he's town or mafia, the worst thing that could happen is that we lose someone who would probably get hit early anyways, whereas at best we would take out somebody that is really essential to a mafia team's strategy. | ||
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On March 12 2012 02:59 Jackal58 wrote: Node Mr. Wiggles Caller Pandain deconduo Replace DocH with any of them. Personal vendetta? i can come up with arbitrary lists too jackal58 jackal58 jackal58 jackal58 jackal58 replace jackal58 with any of them. Any questions? You havne't really procc'd my scummy as fuck trigger yet though. keep going though. as for gumshoe: Jitsu and me could both be town getting pushed into the spotlight or we could both be scum, us being on opposite sides of the field does not say anything about our alignment, jitsu could just be trying to create an ideal town environment and generate discussion and I'm trying to prevent us from forming rock hard policy that can be used against us. so far you've advocated to kill a potential leader(you've said so yourself) and two players who are actively discussing a key note of this particular game(role of pms and honesty), I haven't read any of your old games so I'm not sure if this is what you usually do but I don't think your way is a healthy approach to the game, for instance in your reasoning for lynching doc you only consider him from the perspective that he is a threat, you don't consider the fact that if doc is town he could be of huge aid. Why would you lynch one of our best players because he could be scum? Also in regard to no lynch vs lynch I really don't want waste our kill point unless theres a really good reason, if we decide right now to no lynch day one the pressure goes off of the mafia and conversation stifles because theres nothing at stake, if we do no lynch it should be a decision we make an hour before the dead line(but not last minute because if we have a suspect that were just about to lynch but we leave alive he will remain a weak point for town that mafia can continuously attack for good reason) Caller whats your stance on a no lynch vs lynch and a lynch dead line? you're wifoming like shit nobody cares about an "ideal town environment" and "discussion" and "against us" i alerady explained why doctorh should be lynched bro, nash equilibrium look it up and finally i don't give a shit about policy. my job is to find mafia and get them killed. anything else is pointless. | ||
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On March 12 2012 03:40 prplhz wrote: @Mr. Wiggles What's your role mate? @Caller Excluding the "he used pro-town as the first player" argument, the only argument you have against DoctorHelvetica is that he's supposedly more scary as scum than as town. This is somewhat irrelevant unless we can't find anybody else who is scum + Show Spoiler + and you're not using "nash equilibrium" right, unless maybe you're using it make your case sound smarter than it actually is It's self contradictory how you're saying "my job is to find scum and lynch them", and then you want to lynch a guy, not because he is scum but because in your opinion he's more scary as scum than as town. How does that make any sense? Why don't you want to lynch into Jitsu and gumshoe? You said at least one of them is scum, that's 50% chance to lynch scum just by dumb luck and a smart guy than you can probably increase those odds. You should shape up or you are going to get lynched. oh no no you have my argument wrong town mafia don't kill him: 0 -5 kill him: 0 5 as for the latter bit, if you can't see where i'm going with this there's no point in me continuing to explain. | ||
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On March 12 2012 04:42 Jackal58 wrote: It's not an arbitrary list. It's a list of those I would call DocH's equals in ability and leadership. Yet you single out DocH for apparently no reason at all. Or at least a reason that can be applied to those on my "arbitrary" list. Forgive me for saying so but your reasoning is based purely on bullshit. When asked you simply produce more bullshit. You have my vote sir. Thank you prplhz for playing the part of anvil. As OMGUS this will seem, I'm bringing up a case against Jackal58 (and to extend slightly, to Mr. Wiggles). Yes, I freely admit I spread overcharged emotional bullshit. That's how I roll. I expect people to call me out on it. The fact that people didn't call me out sooner is a little concerning but not a huge deal. Did anyone see my reasoning? It was fucking awful. In doing so though, we see three people respond to me. We have Jackal58, who we'll get to in a bit. We have prplhz, who calls me out on my bullshit reasoning (and my bullshit rebuttal). And then we have Mr. Wiggles, who seems to have nothing important to say. But we'll get to him in a bit as well. Jackal responds to me in several ways: first by posting a list of random names that he thinks are "good players" and then by suggesting that the only reason I want DoctorH dead is personal vendetta. The second thing he states is It's not an arbitrary list. It's a list of those I would call DocH's equals in ability and leadership. Yet you single out DocH for apparently no reason at all. Or at least a reason that can be applied to those on my "arbitrary" list. Forgive me for saying so but your reasoning is based purely on bullshit. When asked you simply produce more bullshit. You have my vote sir. So instead of just calling me out and saying how I'm being retarded, he instead first brings up a list of random people that he thinks would be lynchable in my shitty circumstance, and then only after prplhz correctly calls me out does he then suddenly decide that this whole idea is full of bullshit and then votes to have me lynched. Just looking at his previous posts so far gives me the following: We can only choose 2 people so it's rather limited in scope as far as using PMs to set up anything. I think we should all be transparent in who we decide we want to PM with. Dissent? A really, really, shitty idea that has already been debunked by many people. My advocacy is not set in stone. Hence why I asked for a dissenting viewpoint. The discussion is much better than the typical day 1 LaL/Lurker conversation we've all seen a million times already. Mr Wiggles - Why state the obvious in your disadvantages? Of course scum know who's town. He then distances himself from such a shitty "let's give all the information about the townies to the mafia" while praising the ever so useful mafia fallback of "we're trying to have a good discussion," only then to criticize Mr. Wiggles for a totally stupid reason, just to have something to say. Claiming that scum know who town is is stupid. Of course they know who town is. Yep that's right, he did the same thing twice, nearly verbatim. So we have somebody who first a) "innocously" posts a shitty plan saying we should tell have people leak all of the people that they are pming to which is not only unverifiable but doesn't do anything to stop mafia from doing... anything. b) Distances himself from a scummy as shit plan, only to try and redirect the criticism at another player for a stupid reason that certainly doesn't promote the "great discussion" that he was advocating. c) Repeats himself near verbatim just to have something to say. d) Passive-aggressively makes a post criticizing me, waiting for someone to actually make the legitimate criticism of my terrible posting, and then says "you're full of voteshit I vote you pikachu." In other words, we have someone playing "Mr. Neutral I promote town but don't look at me look at this otherguy oh wait somebody else is getting called out for being bad TRIGGER BANDWAGON." Smells like scum to me. Mr. Wiggles is like Jackal-lite at this point with his love of neutrality and "not-offending anyone." If Jackal turns up red, Mr. Wiggles should definitely be given the good run around-it's pretty common to see mafia have meaningless banter with each other just to get a bit of circlejerk going around. TLDR: Jackal58 is mafia, I FOS him, if he's red Mr. Wiggles is likely red too. | ||
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I am concerned, though, about posts like this: Right now I'm feeling the Jackal lynch more than anything else. He says that he plays differently every game, but I feel that enough of a case has been made to show that that's not at all true (see: Curu's post). His tentative posting so far this game does remind me of his posts in Hammer Mini Mafia, where he was also scum. He also listed me as one of the "good" players, which is so utterly wrong it's hilarious. (not a real reason for voting him, but seriously, I'm terribad) I also don't think that Caller is scum, based purely on the fact that he's the first person to make a real case and get some actual discussion going. I feel scum would've been content to let the thread continue to wallow in LaL arguments and the PM debate, where no progress was being made. Hammer on end of bandwagon? Check. False modesty? Check. Discussion = good? Check. Generic assumptions about scum behavior? Check. I really don't like what I'm seeing here, Node. Nope nope nope. | ||
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On March 13 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I've been following the thread silently and I'm of the opinion that Caller is scum. ##Vote: Caller His original case on DocH was a fucking joke - it was literally "he could be scum, and if he's town he's likely to get killed anyway, so let's kill him!" This alone is bad enough, but then he backpedals, says that it was a reaction test. A reaction test. What kind of reactions was he looking for after a bullshit case like that? Either people calling it bullshit or people hopping onboard obviously. But here's where it gets strange. He gave cred to people who called his case bullshit. Whaaaaat? Let's roleplay for a minute: Let's say that Caller is town and is testing for reactions. In this exercise, let's assume for the moment that prplhz is scum, mkay? How do you think a scum prplhz is going to react to the case town-Caller put forward? If you said anything but "Call it fucking bullshit" then you're wrong. As scum, prplhz would be scared as shit of townCaller by virtue of Caller being an easily recognizable name on these forums, right? But then Caller does him a FAVOR and posts a laughable case on DocH. Like, I'd literally be doing a jig if I were scum reading Caller's initial case. But Caller gives TOWNCRED to prplhz for calling his case BS! That doesn't even make sense - scum benefit more from calling out Caller than town would in that situation - Caller's DocH case was bad enough without someone calling it bad. I think Caller put forward an easily recognizable shit case with the sole intention of buddying up by giving them towncred anyone who called it bullshit. For this reason, I'm pretty convinced that prplhz is town and Caller is scum. So your argument is basically that I want to make an easily flawed argument so I can get people to call me out and then I can go suck their dicks. Okay. I’ll start by saying that I don’t give a shit how people responded to my post, content-wise. I just know that mafia like to wait and be neutral until somebody makes a decisive point, and then they tend to follow-up with the party line. The whole point is to wait for someone to make a post going strongly one way or another and then wait for some overzealous scum to try and hammer the point in with as much vitrol as possible. Kind of like how you waited for DoctorH to criticize my Jackal post (which has the same reasoning as Curu’s later post that he DIDN’T call out) before proceeding to blast me for trying to suck town’s dick. Of course, someone who apparently is as “well-known” as me needs to suck dick to get people to listen to me. Yes that makes perfect sense. And of course I would then go ahead and suck Jackal’s dick too for calling out my shit post… oh wait a minute. Your “scenario” has assumptions that totally contradict each other. Good try on the chainsaw defense though, and thanks for reminding me that you’re in the game. | ||
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On March 13 2012 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Tell me why prplhz is "correct" for calling you out, but Jackal is not. There was no reason for you to specifically choose DocH for the reasons you gave and that's all Jackal was saying - now you're saying he's scum for it, but you clearly and specifically say prplhz was "correct" for calling you out. I already explained this, if you bothered reading my rebuttal. Stop trying to create doubt as a springboard for your mafia shenanigans. a) if Jackal is mafia, you take the "oh my bad good job town" route. b) if Jackal is town, you take the "oh my god caller got a townie lynched he must be mafia" route. Both of these would help you out a lot, so you'd do it even though you know what Jackal's affiliation is. I already see where you're going with this. Just stop. | ||
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On March 13 2012 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote: So Caller, you're saying that my strategy as scum is to wait until town is getting ready to lynch my scumbuddy Jackal and then come in and defend him. When he's about to get lynched. That's your "working theory". I tried that once, and it was in Hammer Mafia. I'll NEVER do that again. I'll admit that I could be wrong about Jackal - but I would NEVER do that as scum again Caller. Ever. You're an idiot if you "think" that's what's going on here. The fact that you "think" that's what's happening here only solidifies what I already suspected. Everyone needs to be voting for Caller. Look at this scumslip. He already knows what Jackal is. I can think of one reason why. I specifically said that no matter if Jackal is town or mafia that you're setting yourself up to reap the reward of knowing ahead of time what Jackal is. As a result. I'm trying to stop you. You're saying that you had previously defended a mafiaso and you're never doing it again. The trouble here is, you're defending Jackal. So you therefore seem to know that Jackal is NOT mafia, and since you know his role DAY 1, this leads me to conclude that you're... Its quite simple: we lynch Jackal. If he comes up mafia, hurray. If he's not mafia, VisceraEyes must be mafia. One last thing: I don't use "think" and "theory." More false doubt... more mafia tactics. | ||
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On March 13 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote: This Jackal wagon is scum-infested. Everyone gtfo. Even if Jackal is scum, I bet there are scum on the wagon. Everyone should be lynching Caller right now because he's manipulating the town. again with the preparations for whatever the flip is. your time will come soon so stop squirming. | ||
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On March 13 2012 07:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It was better than Caller's bullshit case but that's literally all you have besides dumb setup speculation. Meta has never been enough for me to vote for somebody and that's never case. If I thought the meta case was legit I would have voted for Jackal. You're the one spearheading his lynch. You're the only person to provide any reason to put suspicion on Jackal but not nearly enough to push this bandwagon as hard as you have. You have no reason to believe Jackal is lying about his claim besides "hurrrr this is a normal game" DoctorH this is why nobody is listening to you. | ||
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On March 13 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Nobody is listening to you either so why are you being antagonistic Just because I threw a bullshit reason at you to bait scum doesn't mean you're off the hook. Just try me. | ||
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On March 13 2012 08:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Caller, why haven't you actually been pushing for Jackal's lynch if you want to kill him? because if people can't read facts in the face and understand them they'll never be convinced. | ||
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On March 13 2012 09:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Caller, you're accusing VE of setting himself up to look good no matter what the outcome of the lynch is, but isn't that exactly what you're doing as well? You're trying to set up a day 2 lynch without even knowing the result of this one, nor any night flips. Also, the lynch you're pushing for, is if we mislynch, again something you accuse VE of doing. DrH, are you still around? What do you think? Like I care about my reputation. You can think whatever the hell you want of my actions, I don't give them any consideration. I just want to kill mafia. So make sure you don't slip or else i'll be on your ass like it was your first day in prison. | ||
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On March 13 2012 09:41 VisceraEyes wrote: "See guys?! See how fearlessly town I am?! And witness my overwhelming enmity against the mafias! GRRRRRRZZZ!!" I think Caller is pouring it on a little thick, but maybe that's just a playstyle thing. Caller is still scum. Everyone should STILL be voting for him if they're not. you have fun with that bro. | ||
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vigi please dont actually shoot me tonight the fact that i need to state that is slightly depressing | ||
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On March 13 2012 22:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Vigs should absolutely be on Caller tonight. Caller, you're either going to die tonight to vigs or your getting lynched tomorrow. I don't care which. I prefer you die tonight though so your posts don't have to offend my eyes tomorrow. if anything vigs should be on viscera. i'm not sure if you're the village idiot or what but you're sure as hell an idiot. | ||
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