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On February 28 2012 09:16 Probulous wrote: I'm Jesus 2.0, your point is invalid. Reading the kaller game now which is mildly off beat. Wouldn't it be awesome if the inventor could invent Jesus, but no-one believed him because he had no proof he actually was Jesus? The only way the new Jesus could activate his godly powers is if the majority of the thread prayed to him  Religious mafia!Hey who are you guys? On February 28 2012 09:41 Pandain wrote: Last edit: 2012-02-28 09:41:30 Burn the witch! ##Vote Pandain | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:58 GMarshal wrote: You clearly don't know about Pandian, the only survivor of insane mafia, or who deconduo, the guy responsible for PTP 1 and 2 is . I think you are in for a bit of a surprise if you think you are surrounded by newbies :-P I've wanted to do PTP3 for ages but I just don't have time. Final year of college, thesis, PhD applications, study, exams, Dota 2, etc. etc. However as soon as my finals are over I promise I'll be back >:D | ||
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On March 01 2012 12:19 Misder wrote: Awww, so slow... 1). I like lynch all liars. Lynch one lurker on Day 1 if needed- analysis takes care of the rest. I like analysis. 2). LAL, like most policy lynches, is a massively stupid idea. There are situations where a good move is to lie, blue claiming/softclaiming to draw hits for example. On March 01 2012 12:18 Probulous wrote: ROFL, the only one who posts is the one who shouldn't be lurking. Great start! LAL is a stupid policy and so is discussing it. The whole point of mafia is to make decisions based on the evidence in game. Having premade policy's that by their very nature preclude taking each circumstance on its merits, is stupid. I will not support a LAL policy. I doubt anyone would. LAL is dumb, however discussing it isn't bad at all. It gets people talking day 1 when there's no elections to stir things up. You shouldn't shoot down discussion of anything just because you disagree with it. On March 01 2012 12:41 Probulous wrote: Thanks for the reminder Adam. For reference Player List: 1. Jackal58 - USA 2. Paperscraps - USA 3. Bluelightz - Indonesia 4. Probulous - Great Southern Land 5. Snarfs - Kanucksland 6. rgTheSchworz - Romania 7. Misder - Fairy Land AKA who the fucks knows 8. Pandain - USA 9. Palmar - Iceland 10. Sandroba - USA 11. TheToast - USA 12. Adam4167 - Land Down under 13. A Killer Cuppa Tea - Neighbours with Misder 14. deconduo - Ireland This is what I have for countries based on profiles. Misder and Tea where are you boys based? Making pointless lists sets off my scumdar like crazy. On March 01 2012 13:33 Probulous wrote: @Misder I am not advocating analysing a lie. We all agree that lieing is scummy. That is all I meant by using it as a piece of data. Town should not lie unless they absolutely have to and have damn good reasons for it. If you do, it should be counted as evidence towards you being mafia. That is all, just another brick in the wall so to speak. Your case should stand on its own regardless of the lie. If the liar can't show why they did it and they looked scummy already then yes they should be lynched, but be aware that is not a policy lynch. Good post, good points. On March 01 2012 13:51 Probulous wrote: See this bugs me. It is the same for Pandain. I am trying to get people to post. I am actively pushing the thread along as best I can. What exactly do we have to avoid here? We are not on a track. I agree with Sandroba that policy talk is useless but it was brought up and I responded to those that asked me questions. However both of you guys are saying that I am spamming the thread with useless information. When I respond with my reasoning, neither of you acknowledge it. Pandain then ignores it and suggests that because I took "so long" writing it, I am hiding something. How do those things go together? Pandain calls me out for posting too much, but I am hiding something? Does anyone else find this strange? Scummy post. You are getting overly defensive over one small accusation from Pandain and a post by Toast that wasn't even directed at you. Its easy to post a lot of fluff as mafia, without actually saying anything significant. Your list of people/countries is a good example of a filler post. Stop trying to post so much and worry more about the content of your posts. You're not inspiring me so far. On March 01 2012 12:52 Misder wrote: And then what. "But maybe he had a reason to lie! He could have been doing <insert WIFOM here> and actually been trying to help town!" Do you think it's going to be net beneficial for town to have to deal with this crap (excuse the language) than for the supposed reason to lie? I don't think so. On March 01 2012 13:25 Misder wrote: If you think you can analyze lying as a piece of data correctly, go right ahead. Don't blame me when scum tricks you. On March 01 2012 13:39 Misder wrote: Again, go right ahead w/ your analysis. If you believe that you can tell if scum is lying about having good reasons or even that town had good reasons to lie, fine. Using WIFOM as an excuse to push LAL is pretty weak. The only justification for LAL is a universal rule to punish lying in any game. It only works if its used in every game. As it never has enough support in TL games its pointless to try and implement now. Your posts so far this game have been short and one dimensional. ##Vote Misder | ||
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On March 01 2012 16:28 rgTheSchworz wrote: Your chances of surviving another night are now halved,sir. Best way to start this is with a feeler vote, so ##Vote: Probulous Arguing with Misder about lynching liars and lurkers is unproductive. We all knew beforehand that most players were gonna be US-based, so why bother with a list? Besides,duh, its in the profile, and we only have 14 players, not veery hard to remember. This ,,friendly chat,, provides the opportunity for scum to blend in perfectly.They arent forced in any way to react scummy, and can just sheep the towniest around.Your spam, Probulous, doesnt inspire me, because indeed it is spam.If we are gonna discuss strategy, then let it be based on names, which we can hold accountable on further days. If not, just vote between posting. A feeler vote D1 is absolutely justified,as long as you are willing to change who you are voting for once you have a strong suspicion.It provides pressure on normally presureless D1 s for scum.Waiting for scum to fuck up is lame, lets make em fuck up. Good post up to this point. Calling out Probu for posting a pointless list is spot on. However.. Ive randomed a purely awesome role this game. .. I really hate when people do this. | ||
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On March 02 2012 01:12 Palmar wrote: I think that analysis is surprisingly bad deconduo. Why is it so bad? Can you explain that to me? Dunno I'm going through filters so I might be missing the order in which things were posted. I'm just reading the game for the first time now. | ||
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On March 02 2012 01:14 Palmar wrote: There is nothing wrong with making a list, you guys are insane. Do you want me to show you how often scum make pointless lists in games? Its the most obvious filler you can make, because it a massive important looking post that adds absolutely nothing to the game. No, I have no idea why YOU think its bad. | ||
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On March 02 2012 01:21 Palmar wrote: Yeah, please show me examples of scum making fluffy lists. PYP3 LSB posts lists all through day 1. Bum posts 2 lists as well. Both are scum. No one else posts lists. Its happened in at least one other game I've played but I can't find it. Because no one does it. Because its scummy. On March 02 2012 01:21 Palmar wrote: And I think it's bad because none of the things you mentioned say anything about the alignment of the players in question. It doesn't mean they're town, it just means that your analysis is invalid. For example, you're being massively dumb and saying LAL is stupid when it isn't (I'm not going to argue this, I'm right). However that tells me very little about your alignment. LAL is stupid. It only works if its applied to every single player in every single game. Arguing about LAL doesn't indicate alignment, thats correct. However when someone like Misder makes a bunch of oneliners about LAL, while not actually making any good argument about it, and doesn't post anything else in the game. That is scummy, and thats why I'm voting for him. On March 02 2012 01:21 Palmar wrote: While the posts you quoted from both probulous and misder do reflect something about them, what you pointed out certainly isn't it. If you think I'm wrong, point out why. Don't say I'm wrong and not elaborate, its pointless. If you're town you should be explaining your opinions rather than brick walling. | ||
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On March 02 2012 02:09 Paperscraps wrote: Probulous is town Palmar is null rg is town deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far Vote: deconduo Scumslip much? I might have bad reads, but the only way you could know they were bad is if you're scum. Especially seeing as neither read was about you. On March 02 2012 06:45 Probulous wrote: Decon, are you seriously saying that my list was the only thing I contributed to this game? Because that is the only way it could be used to drive an agenda. To make it look like I was contributing while actually posting nothing. Well so far I pointed out Pandain's scummy attempt to undermine me, Palmar's "scumslip" (I don't believe it, just needed a response) and I had the discussion with Misder which convinced you he was scum. How can you cast suspicion on me for hiding? It should be clear to everyone that the list was made early game to help people be aware of timezones. That is all. How that is scummy I will never know. I never said the list was the only thing you contributed, I said the complete opposite. The list didn't contribute, which is why I found it scummy. Compared to your other posts it stands out. Everyone who's played mafia before understands that people are in different timezones, and even people in the same country can be on at different times. After Adam posted this: On March 01 2012 12:29 Adam4167 wrote: 3:30am in Iceland and Ireland right now, probably a bit hopeful that Palmar and deconduo are on. The other two may be around, depending on which US states they're in. Welcome back Misder, second wiggles game for both of us. If you're town again, do you plan on playing out the whole game this time? There was no need for your post, as it added nothing to the game. However your posting since has been good, so I'm not as suspicious of you anymore. I think you are wrong about teacup though. | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:59 rgTheSchworz wrote: Oh, I must ve done something wrong. The text didnt appear under normal format. Here you go: Paperscraps usually posts like that. Still not enough for him to be lynched D1, I d say. I d prefer not to talk about Arkham, I had a simple plan, but it failed, due to some truth-loving townies. Still baffled that only 3rd parties managed to figure out my role and that I did not look scummy. ##Unvote On March 02 2012 09:18 Pandain wrote: AKCT isn't actingi scummy. What was his first post? A vote of you with no explanation. Mafia would never ever EVER do that, that's so suspicious. Mafia are usually careful, and reticent in demeanor(part of why I think The_Toast is mafia). Theres one thing I have suspicions about but as of yet I'm waiting to see what he does about it, and telling him will ruin it. As of now I feel any evidence regarding AKCT is speculative, while more conclusive evidence is elsewhere. Toast's latest response is more interesting actually.... Contrast this tone with the others. Looks like hes trying hard to make a good point(with italics + bolding and shit). Not only that but while writing this post he researched other players(shown by his accusations of me, saying how I had 4 posts, noting my play). His accusations of me mean that he could either be a trigger-happy townie, or that he's trying to downplay me. I can't determine anything out of that, actually it sort of helps his case. This part is quite interesting though: I'm interested what you meant by that, Toast. Why would you defending me lend you any town support? How would you know if I'm town? By far though the most compelling and persuasive argument against him is the fact that he accused me, rather certainly in his opinion, that i was "desperately trying to hide something", and that I'm playing scummily. And yet overall, I'm not a good enough vote? Seems a bit of a paradox there. Yeah, Pandain,softdefend your scumbuddy,Cup? Saying that he isnt scummy because of WIFOM(scum wouldnt do that) and that more conclusive evidence is to be found elsewhere is, on the other hand, scummy as hell. The Toast has shown his(its?) teeth once he was attacked. Typical town, scum usually get defensive in this spot. Probulous, that s why you have lost 3 games. The Toast isnt trying to divert attention, not with such a vocal post.Plain wrong, though I would like to see something other than OMGUS from him.He is leaning town, actually. Glad you arent spamming anymore. So far, It s between Cup and Pandain. Especially as Cup is a newbie and could very well have scumslipped. Lurkers, speak up. | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:53 Jackal58 wrote: Yes and also that your location list serves no purpose. And no, sorry, you have no magic powers. What do you think of misder, for a vet his posts have been pretty lacklustre. | ||
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On March 02 2012 12:27 Misder wrote: I'm glad I'm under fire. This whole thing that I'm spouting one-liners thing is pretty messed up. There is nothing wrong with saying what my opinions are on policy lynches. It's not like I push that we should implement Lynch all Liars, but rather that it really is a good policy and I'm going to vote based on that policy. (I also find it cute that deconduo called me a vet) Anyways, Paperscraps is town. Probulous is town. Bluelightz is town. Snarfs is town. Palmar is town. A Killer Cuppa Tea is town. Pandain leaning town. rgTheSchworz is null. Adam is leaning scum. Sandroba is leaning scum. ##Vote: deconduo His reason for voting for me was because he disagreed that LaL should be a policy. I don't know why his reads are the opposites of my reads (namely, Paperscraps and Probulous). I'm missing some people because I missed them when I did my first impressions sheet/I wasn't paying enough attention to everyone/nothing stood out from anyone else. I love when people OMGUS, it means I'm probably right about them. Also I voted for you because you posted 3 one liners about LAL and then disappeared. You come back with a list of reads with no explanation behind them, OMGUS me and then disappear again. You haven't made a single worthwhile post. You haven't done any analysis. This is typical mafia behaviour. On March 02 2012 17:07 Paperscraps wrote: Question do we know how many scum there are in the game? My scum reads so far. Jackal - Has posted nothing of substance. He also agrees with Deconduo who is scum Deconduo - His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed. TheToast - Very defensive, diplomatic and not scum hunting at all. ##Vote: Deconduo I messed up the format last time. ![[image loading]](http://b-static.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif) Please explain how could you know my reads were bad if you are town? We lynch Misder today and Paper tomorrow. I had a look at Pandain's filter and its nothing as bad as these two. | ||
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On March 03 2012 04:44 TheToast wrote: You realize you voted for me AFTER sandro voted you, right? So what exactly are you trying to say here? Why are you even quoting this? What's the point here? His name is spelled wrong. | ||
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On March 03 2012 16:44 sandroba wrote: I'm back and drunk. I was leaning scum on misder so not such a bad lynch, but the fucker flipped town. Fuck everyone that voted him. I kill you. GG There have been two useless players in this game, Misder and you. I'd be quite happy if a vig takes you out tonight. Its unfortunate that Misder flipped town, but he wasn't doing anything to help anyway. He had a single useless post over a 44 hour period. | ||
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On March 04 2012 03:14 Palmar wrote: misder as far from useless, anyone voting him is not reading the thread, stupid, or scum. Show me a single useful post from him. Just one post where he makes one good analysis against one player. Even sandroba has one. Now shut up and play. On March 04 2012 03:14 Palmar wrote: Deconduo, you decided to use an easy fucking bullshit explanation to vote a townie, even after I told you that it was bullshit, and I later explained that I thought he was town. I take that as an insult. You're literally calling me bad at mafia by straight up refusing to listen to me. I will make sure you die this game. LOL All you said is that I was wrong. You gave no explanation or reasoning behind that opinion, even after I asked: On March 02 2012 01:48 deconduo wrote: If you think I'm wrong, point out why. Don't say I'm wrong and not elaborate, its pointless. If you're town you should be explaining your opinions rather than brick walling. If you don't give me any reason to listen to you, why should I give a fuck about your opinion. Its your own fault Misder died because you are too full of yourself and think everyone should listen to you, rather than making a decent argument. Start playing properly and lose the god complex. | ||
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On March 04 2012 04:41 Palmar wrote: are you dumb? do you need obvious information spoonfed to you? If thats what you take from it, then yes. I have no respect for you as a mafia player. The fact that Misder got lynched proves that you are either wrong or bad. -Either you are such a terrible mafia player that you couldn't convince people to lynch Sandroba over Misder, despite the fact that the case against Misder was obviously wrong. -Or the case against Misder wasn't obviously wrong and you are just butthurt. | ||
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On March 04 2012 04:45 Palmar wrote: and everyone should listen to me, we'd have one less townie dead if people did Why should people listen to you if you don't give them any reason to. | ||
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On March 04 2012 09:05 Adam4167 wrote: I didn't support either of the 'main' lynches yesterday and considering the votes ended up being split 3-3 in favour of your two main candidates, neither did most other people. I was not avoiding responsibility by not voting for Misder, go read my filter, I didn't think he was scum. Lazy, yes. scum, no. I also didn't vote for sandroba on similar reasons, I think he is being lazy or just plain doesn't give a shit, which is not indicative of his alignment to me. So I was presented with the 'choice' of voting for two people, neither of which I find overly scummy. So I decided to provoke Palmar, partly because I feel his play is different to what I expect from town Palmar, partly to gain a better read on him in case I am wrong and he is town. The result is I still don't know what his alignment is. I asked him to produce more content (in the form of a case on me), but he refused as he was hell-bent on only focusing on sandroba yesterday, so I don't know what to make of him. This is my biggest problem with him too. | ||
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