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Everyone else sucks marginally less ATM. Mostly chaoser is doing the least sucking. Blazinghand learn to play I have to program for a few hours so I'll bbl. Till then I suggest you all brush up on Ver's guide since the last page has made my eyes bleed. | ||
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On February 21 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You're better than this. He never ever said your PL position was bad, but that you are spammy. Please read posts before you start OMGUSing. Considering you have time to spam you should have time to read. I beg to differ on that first statement, IMO redFF is god awful at this game | ||
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On February 21 2012 10:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Ho boy, this is good play here. GOOD play. Let me count the ways. 1) Throwing out random insults. While I can appreciate the occasional well-deserved jibe, just saying someone "sucks" is...not productive. 2) Buddying up to chaoser. Apparently I suck - but I don't know why and Bugs' post does nothing to explain it. But chaoser is the only one NOT sucking - let's explore that. chaoser was the first one to jump on-board redFF's PL of Tyrran, and besides red himself has been the first one to jump off it as well. Furthermore, chaoser has spent a fair amount of time defending redFF against my accusations by agreeing with him that I am being 'hypocritical'....except, as it turns out this was based on faulty information that stems from APPARENTLY misreading the thread (thinking I said something DocH actually said). So as it turns out, chaoser is doing MORE sucking than several others in-thread already. 3) "I have to program for a few hours so I'll bbl." - WBG I guess this means he wasn't programming before, but is now? So where has he been during all this time? Why not stop by and tell me what a dick I am BEFORE I called him out for not being in-thread yet? Why not come in and defend redFF if my case was so bad last page? Your guess is obviously as good as mine, but I suspect his has something to do with sharing an alignment with a certain someone the last page has been discussing. 4) "...since the last page has made my eyes bleed." - WBG So....I guess he thinks redFF is town or something? Or he just thinks my argument is shit? Or he thinks the last page is some kind of stigmata? I have no idea. He's just tossing doubt around as if he's some kind of authority. Guess what guys - THIS IS HIS FIRST POST. HE HASN'T EARNED THE RIGHT TO CALL ANYONE BAD YET IN THIS GAME BECAUSE HE HASN'T DONE SHIT HIMSELF. 5) (and most importantly) ......NO U <3 you don't suck anymore Anyway in all seriousness (as serious as I can be atm hahahaha) I should stop procrastinating. + Show Spoiler + but it's sooo hard While I'm gone, VE, give me some work to do. Who do you think is scum? Why? What do you think of redFF, chaoser, and Dr. H? The last page DOESN'T make your eyes bleed? What do you like about the current state of the game? If you desire any clarification go ahead and ask, but as I play this game on a need to know basis you have no guarantee I'll actually give you an answer you'll like. Unless, of course, I feel like there's a good reason to tell you (and by extension everyone else in this thread) On February 21 2012 10:14 redFF wrote: I don't see how I'm pushing scum agendas. What does that even mean? Ah, wbg is here, awesome. I'm remembering why I stopped playing here a couple months ago lol. you stopped playing here because you realized you were so bad? Man, that's comedy gold right there. I really enjoy how you can call Tyrran bad for no reason whatsoever and then play the victim card when someone else does the exact same thing. Since I'm not your psychiatrist I have no interest in asking you how it feels. Though, I find it hilarious as hell. | ||
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On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote: yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM). sup ##vote chaoser | ||
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On February 21 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Ho boy, what are YOUR thoughts on redFF Bugs? I see you're now offended by chaoser's play in spite of him "doing the least sucking"...you completely ignore my case on redFF and stick a vote on the guy doing "the least sucking" in-thread? Something is..........not right here. Maybe I need a break from the thread for a bit. redFF=bad=I have no idea what his alignment is atm. If you want a general idea of how I deal with redFF, look at Resurrection (in which I call him bad repeatedly and then actually defend him from the onslaught of Ace) or at XLVII where I completely ignore him. He was opposite alignment in those two games and honestly I could barely tell the difference. I guess part of that stems from not wanting to read/decipher his posts. Since I believe redFF is going to be comparatively unreadable to some of the other players here (read: syllo, kita, chaoser, you, RoL, Jackal, Toad, risk) I think it's more fruitful for us to be pushing players who will react in ways we expect them to react depending on their alignments. As of now, yes, that means I think chaoser is scummy because he called it strange for me to buddy him and then turned around and buddied you in the next sentence. Remember: need to know basis. Why does anyone need to know chaoser's town reads? | ||
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On February 21 2012 10:48 chaoser wrote: i'm not buddying you? I'm giving a town read. I didn't realize giving out town reads was buddying. we can argue about the usefulness of giving out town reads though. also, i am watching the knicks game, why am i not scum jackal =[ giving out town reads is bad and you know that. So why are you doing it? | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: And now we're getting somewhere. I guess I have a few questions for you regarding redFF if this is your stance on him. 1) Do you think redFF actually believed in a Policy Lynch of Tyrran based on his posts? 1a) If no, do you think he's used the information he's gained from "generating discussion" effectively? 1b) If yes, what do you think of his sudden unvote of Tyrran based on 1 post he made? 2) You said it yourself - he's "playing the victim" with his latest post. Is this something you'd expect scum to do regardless of skill-level or readability? 2a) If no, then why did you bring it up? 2b) If yes, then why would you NOT vote for redFF considering there's already support for his lynch and there's a (good) case against him? 1a) I have no fucking clue what he really thinks, since I'm not him, but solely based on how dumb his play is, yes. I think he believes everything he says is good play because he views himself so highly. Example from Resurrection that I'll never forget: On September 04 2011 09:42 redFF wrote: you only get lynched as town if your bad, not your attacker's fault you played scummy. meh ima go now, i've said everything ive needed to say. He strongly believes this, and Ace said something I couldn't say better myself: people get lynched for all sorts of reasons, and a lot of the time it isn't even their own fault. Look at Hammer Mini: I get lynched for not showing up for like 4 hours. It wasn't a long time (and basically I got lynched because my keyboard broke, more or less. I hadn't done anything alignment-indicative at that point and everyone just bandwagoned) Same thing happened in resurrection : two townies got lynched because they were unable to defend themselves from the town derpwagon spearheaded by redFF, who at the time 100% believed they were scum. 1b) Standard retarded redFF play 2) Loaded question: short answer, yes. Scum do it all the time IMO. But the problem is, so do bads. For reference, here's more of redFF playing the victim: On September 04 2011 09:43 redFF wrote: It's fun to call people stupid!!! On September 04 2011 10:33 redFF wrote: calling people dumb is fun!!! On November 09 2011 08:32 redFF wrote: honestly since you guys are retards and its likely that me and kita are going to solely win this game with a little help from chaoser i dont see where calling me stupid is going to get you (look at the irony in that last post: he complains about being called stupid but the first thing he said called everyone else retarded LOL) redFF plays victim all the time as town. I pointed it out because I instinctively point out things that I find to be scummy. However, since everything redFF ever does is scummy, I don't see how that is helpful. 2a) answered; yes; instinctive to point out scumtells 2b) answered; because redFF is possibly the worst player I've played with and because I disagree that it's actually even a scumtell with his posting history | ||
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The funniest part is that he takes credit for scum lynches in both games when he was nothing but a distraction to town for 99% of the game. On February 21 2012 11:01 redFF wrote: ITT: wbg is still butthurt over couples I'm so tempted to make a quote montage from that game. I remember reading your filter on day 3 and seeing that you had, at one point or another, called literally every other team in the game scum. | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:38 redFF wrote: bolded why it was their fault hilarious coming from you, not that I disagree. I don't know what those last quotes have to do with mafia other than calling me a hypocritical asshole, which is probably true. at no point have I said I ever think I am good. In fact I realize I am not. However, that doesn't stop me from calling out bad play, cause damn it's so fun to do so. On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote: Dear redFF and WBG You both suck. Sincerely, Jackal58 Since you know redFF better than I ever will, mind telling us what he is? At the moment I still don't see anything other than normal redFF, which isn't worth wasting a vote on. Voting him just makes the thread explode with more useless one liners. On February 21 2012 11:41 chaoser wrote: debatable. people give out townie reads all the time, especially at night to try to direct medics if needed. At the same time mafia get directed to shoot at the person. Either way though, the mafia should be good enough to "read" who is the most townie person in the game and so they'd shoot at them anyway, even if someone gives a town read. Therefore, I don't think giving out townie reads affect mafia in anyway. While the night is debatable, I don't think there's anything negative about giving reads in the morning. Especially since it gives the other players a barometer on what my reads and thoughts are Giving a townie read during the day merely gives more information to town about me and my reads. In the long run, that'd help town. If I change my opinion, I'm forced to defend it. I have less "freedom" to do whatever i want so I think it's more helpful to townie then to mafia. Since you love Ace so much, On September 04 2011 09:18 Ace wrote: What the fuck is anyone's Town reads going to accomplish right now but to clutter the thread and lead to bullshit? Secondly telling everyone your town reads opens up to Scum manipulation. Your votes can't criss cross your Town reads or you'll be called out by any decent Scum reading the thread. You shouldn't give your Town reads early because the Mafia can see what players don't have strong support, leading to the easy sheepish behavior by the Town to lynch the person with the least friends. that's all I have to say on the matter. | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:50 redFF wrote: Ace is a cunt and not in this game, stop riding his dick and play. since you're the "person with the least friends" this time around, I'm surprised you don't support what I just said. Then again, since you play like you're illiterate I'm not so surprised you just said that. | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:53 redFF wrote: IF I WAS ILLITERATE HOW COULD I BE WRITING THIS POST. HAH GOT YOU THERE HAVEN'T I. read again noob | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote: /salute What are your thoughts on redFF BC? I'm almost convinced that he's just bad and not scum, but I'd like your thoughts before I act on it. well, that's certainly a revelation....redFF being bad??! Just...the thought of it...unbelievable! On February 21 2012 11:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I was more referencing the fact your behaving worse than he normally does (he is better than you). As you are being a total douche canoe yet don't carry the level of skill or better than him I was referencing that you were deserving of a far lower and baser title. I am free to let others pick for you as I simply switch to different and more entertaining terms. Now, shall we play instead of focusing on how fun it is that you play in the shallow end of the sandbox all alone. This is totally relevant | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:04 chaoser wrote: If you notice though, that specific quote from Ace was towards the players of that game ASKING others for their LIST of town (and scum) reads in a no flip game. It was basically a game that was easy to manipulate and a situation where EVERYONE was giving out reads like woah. That is different from this case because it is only me giving my read. So if mafia wants, they can try to manipulate me and that's about it. I don't really see a problem because I don't plan to criss cross my reads with my votes (why would a townie need to do this) without explaining my change in reads first. The second point, again, doesn't matter since it's only my read and so mafia really can't tell who has "Strong" support or not. Either way, there are ways for mafia to gauge "support" aside from seeing people's town reads. Just by looking at voting threads, one can usually deduce who is being supported and who isn't. So that quote doesn't apply to this situation at all. Ace's opinion is completely relevant here because the person with the least support = redFF and he's getting bandwagoned to fuck as much as I love to call him terrible, if he actually is town no one is going to defend him anyway and so you have no idea whether or not we're actually doing a good thing here. Imagine VE being scum and you just called him town. You give him credence and reliability if he's scum. If he actually is town we don't actually gain anything except an opinion of yours, that, if you are town, can be manipulated. Certainly it's manipulable regardless of VE's real alignment. If I'm not being clear enough: If I were scum, I'd love for people to do what town-Ace hates. | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:12 redFF wrote: If i made you think i was town doesn't that make me good town? /food for thought 2 players have been on the 2 major wagons of early day 1, chaoser and kita. Betting there's one scum in there. Are you talking to me? Bad news for you: Nothing you've done has made me think you're town. Good news for you; Nothing you've done has made me think you're scum. Bad news for you: Everything you've done so far has made me think you're bad. | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: its what? 5 hours into the day? I would like to believe redff isn't this horrendous as scum to be caught this quickly. However that is wifom with someone of his experience. The only read I have on him as of now is Bad. Bad town or bad mafia. Hell, I think chaoser is also bad for defending posting town reads as a viable move at this stage in the game. It is only at all useful if people are posting clear scum reads along with clear town reads to make them fully accountable rather than "contributing" without doing much. As for coloring it up to policy discussion, the main point you first raised (I will re-read to see what your entire argument is in exact detail so i stress the first point i saw) was his push on tyrran via policy of being bad. Factor in the mass level of general annoyance with him via his recent behaviour outside of game it is not outside the realms of possibility people are "policy" pushing him based on him being a total wad. Okay BC, we're in agreement on two things: redFF is playing badly chaoser is playng badly. Now tell us kindly, what does that imply about these two players? Easy answers bro. | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:18 redFF wrote: ♫ You're so vain, I bet you think this post is about you ♫ maybe I should post that nice collection of couples therapy quotes it'd probably give the thread a laugh. Whatcha think? | ||
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Jackie poo you never answered my question since you know redFF better than I do, would you lynch him today? | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:28 Jackal58 wrote: Not at 5 hours in. Did I mention Toad is scum? yes but you never voted him. Why's that? | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:32 chaoser wrote: I'm not cocky enough to think that people will take my townie read at face value and will be highly regarded. As you can see, many people in the game don't care much for my thoughts at the moment anyway. RedFF is being voted on cause he's been scummy/playing shitty, not because I'm giving credulousness to VE. At this point, it's only a few hours into day one and there's only like 4 votes on him, hardly what I'd call someone being "bandwagoned to fuck", especially with people saying they want to move off his lynch. I doubt we're going to sit on him and just waste the day. Do you? I still don't think you've made a good case for why my giving a town read on VE was a bad move. Let's say we agree to disagree and move on. Toad, what do you think about Jackal saying you're scum. And what do you think about the recent developments regarding RedFF? Does he still deserve a lynch, especially if we can't find anyone else to lynch by the end of the day? I care about your opinion, same as I care about the opinion of the majority of the players in this game. As town shouldn't it be your priority to get people to care about your opinion? You just said you think people don't care much for your thoughts. Even if it's only a few hours into the game you think that's a good thing for a townie? I think it's great for scum to not listened to, and in fact that makes you look a lot scummier. You're perceptive about how others view you and yet you don't seem to care all that much. At this point, it's only a few hours into day one and there's only like 4 votes on him, hardly what I'd call someone being "bandwagoned to fuck", especially with people saying they want to move off his lynch. I doubt we're going to sit on him and just waste the day. Do you? It might be early in the day but that doesn't prevent bandwagons from starting. The one lesson I learned from all the games in which I watched a townie die day 1 is that you have to stop the bandwagon's momentum as soon as you believe that it is picking up steam for the wrong reasons. In fact, at times it matters less what you think about the subject and more so what you think of the players who are pushing. A great example would be Some Mafia Game or Steamship. In Steamship, for one, I screamed for hours about how Kenpachi and sinani could not possibly be scum and completely missed the people on their wagons who pushed them with no scrutiny. I could tell even at only 3 or 4 votes that those bandwagons were going badly but I did not do the correct things to stop them. Perhaps this game will be different. I don't know what redFF is simply based on reading his posts, but based on how he's been voted I don't feel confident about that lynch. (and ofc his meta) Finally, you probably know this, but as it's early morning in Europe I doubt Toad will be posting any time soon. | ||
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On February 21 2012 13:28 Blazinghand wrote: I think WBG is wrong and redFF has not been acting in a pro-town fashion. I think chaoser is picking a dumb fight. what do you think? I never called redFF pro-town. Being anti-town gives you two possibilities: you're bad town you're scum The problem with redFF is, how do you tell? I suppose we could just lynch him anyway, but then we aren't really lynching someone we surely think is scum. At that point we're just lynching to punish bad play. While I'm not opposed to lynching people who play badly in this game, I think we can look into finding scum in people who are easier to read than redFF. Reading players who are generally detrimental when they play town has never been my strong suit. | ||
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