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ghost_403
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First mafia game! At first, I thought this would be way over my head. Then, after reading through the Arkham City thread, I'm pretty sure I can do this. | ||
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PROBULUS: Short Fuse - He's been way too quiet, showing that he is clearly scum trying to play it cool. Trait is obvious, as he's going to disembowel dear Blazinghand. BLAZINGHAND: Forum Newbie - Went from nice guy to troll in two posts. Converted by Probulus, making him now scum. I think we got this one in the bag. | ||
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Everyone, glhfgg. | ||
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ghost_403 on skype. Leave a message if I'm not on, and I'll (probably) get back to you. | ||
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On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote: I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something On February 13 2012 06:51 ghost_403 wrote: + Show Spoiler + I agree with prplhz in that using the 'Rabid Fanboy' trait is inherently scummy. It's basically a 'Vigilante' trait that steals an action from the town. In addition, using that trait means the next in line receives it, meaning there is a chance that it will get passed down to scum, a doublewhammy against the town. ghost_403 on skype. Leave a message if I'm not on, and I'll (probably) get back to you. Clearly, I'm scum. Can't believe everyone missed it. /sarc. Off to work ATM. Should be back around 5EST, at which point I'll learn to IRC. | ||
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(As a note, these IRC logs have not posted to palmar.org as of the time of writing. Hopefully, they will post soon. If not, I will have to rely on the witnesses present to defend my account of the conversation.) + Show Spoiler + 01[19:31] <ghost_403> so who else did you pm? 01[19:32] <ghost_403> kind of curious if you had any rhyme or reason, or just picked people at random to "break the ice" 02[19:33] * froggynoddy (webchat@cpc1-lewi6-0-0-cust270.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Page closed) [19:33] <Probulous> prpl you don't say who you PM'd, just a bunch of people. Well that bothers me. The only person who has come forward was a blatant newb who luckily had the knowledge to knock you back. What is so hard about posting who sent PMs to? Even if they are just to break the ice. 01[19:34] <ghost_403> well, if he's not going to give us an answer, i suppose we can work in reverse 01[19:34] <ghost_403> prplhz did NOT send a PM to me [19:34] <Probulous> ROFL, that could take a while... [19:35] <Lanaia> doesn't matter [19:35] <Lanaia> it wasn't a bad thing he did [19:35] <Lanaia> it was a thing. [19:35] <Lanaia> just a thing 01[19:35] <ghost_403> absolutely, but things don't just happen, and mafia is a game about motives [19:36] <derpladee> lol [19:36] <Lanaia> the hell kind of motive do you think he has [19:37] <Probulous> My issue is not him asking for roles. It is him asking NEWBS for their roles. I mean this would be an easy way for mafia to persuade new guys to go along with them. Now I know that I am basing the newb thing off of one data point, that is why I asked him for the list. He won't provide it. Can you see my problem? [19:38] <Lanaia> Not entirely [19:38] <derpladee> did you even read the thread? [19:38] <derpladee> did you read what i post? [19:38] <derpladee> it's not enough to explain that something could be done by a scum [19:38] <derpladee> you have to explain why it wouldn't be done by a townie too [19:39] <Probulous> A townie would send a PM to everyone, or put it in the thread. Why did you choose him over everyone else? [19:39] <Grackaroni> You are jumping on mattchew for assuming that you wanted to direct blues but what is a good motivation besides that? shooting at them? I'm sure there are other ways to "break the ice" besides rolefishing [19:39] <derpladee> lol i'm not role fishing 01[19:39] <ghost_403> -_- [19:39] <derpladee> i was just saying [19:39] <derpladee> "what's your role?" [19:39] <Lanaia> he'd've harassed me more if he were rolefishing. [19:39] <Grackaroni> role asking? [19:39] <derpladee> and then they said "town, what do you think about X or Y?" 06[19:39] * ghost_403 facepalms [19:39] <Grackaroni> I guess thats a better description [19:39] <derpladee> and then we were on to other topics [19:40] <derpladee> the motivation is that i want to know their role, but i'm probably not getting it so i'm just asking for the lulz Whole thing is (hopefully) available at http://www.palmar.org/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120214.log. | ||
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On February 14 2012 10:22 Probulous wrote: For those not reading IRC, I went over this with Prpl in there. He is correct that the actions could be motivated by a townie so there is no real case against him by me. I still think the actions are scummy and are not worth the chaos it has caused but that doesn't make him mafia. Second. I can't prove that it's scummy, but he still won't admit that it might not have been the best idea. + Show Spoiler + [20:01] <Probulous> Mmm those four are the only communication you had? [20:03] <Probulous> Cause nowhere in there does it say that it is meant to be an icrebreaker. [20:03] <derpladee> i talked to other people too [20:03] <derpladee> jesus christ [20:03] <derpladee> it doesn't matter if it's an ice breaker or not even though it was primarily meant as such [20:04] <derpladee> i didn't push or bully people into giving me their roles or anything [20:04] <derpladee> you need to prove [20:04] <derpladee> and listen carefully because you are not understanding this because you are terrible [20:04] <derpladee> you need to prove not only that scum could have motivation for this [20:04] <derpladee> but also that townies could not have motivation for this 01[20:04] <ghost_403> so why don't you just say, "i meant it as an icebreaker, and it was a bad idea"? [20:05] <derpladee> because it wasn't a bad idea [20:06] <derpladee> i can't account for the entire town being full of morons 01[20:06] <ghost_403> okay, so why was it a good idea? [20:06] <derpladee> every itme i say something [20:06] <derpladee> why was it a bad idea? [20:06] <derpladee> you can't just say that it was a bad idea if i cannot conclusively prove that it was a good idea [20:06] <Grackaroni> you must not account only for what it was not a bad idea, but also why it must be a good idea [20:06] <Grackaroni> damn [20:06] <Grackaroni> I wanted to copy you 01[20:06] <ghost_403> well, it's done nothing but get you into trouble thus far 01[20:06] <ghost_403> and you have no new information to show for it [20:06] <derpladee> because town is full of morons apparently 02[20:07] * Sinani206 (~Sinani206@pool-71-105-80-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [20:07] <derpladee> i have new information, not about roles though 01[20:07] <ghost_403> "everyone else sucks" is a bad argument for "my idea was a good idea" | ||
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I've yet to see any good arguments for anyone being scum in this thread, although I would like to hear Sinani defend himself. I'm sorry, pistachio loving bro, but phagga does bring up some good points. | ||
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On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote: I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch zeurg He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. [...] We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote. FOS zeurg | ||
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On February 16 2012 04:12 SpiritClown wrote: To mattchew [...] Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.- And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that. Things you have contributed in this post: 1) Either Mattchew is a townie or he isn't. 2) ... This is a contentless post that does nothing to help us find scum. If you don't want to be lynched, you should suggest a better lynch. There are two good lynches on day 1: people who are scum and people who contribute nothing to the town. I am not convinced you are the first, but you definitely fit the second. You've got a few hours left to change my mind. ##Vote: SpiritClown | ||
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On February 16 2012 07:03 Kenpachi wrote: ##vote phagga SO WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? AND WHO DO YOU THINK I AM? well not a legitimate question cause you are a newbie. You don't accuse me of being scum. you just dont. Im Kenpachi. you dont do that Not sure if troll? Remind me why you're voting to lynch phagga again? | ||
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It's certainly a good point that you bring up. The exact same one that paperscraps brought up a few hours before you on IRC. Because most of us don't have the time to scrape through the logs, here is the interesting part for you. <Paperscraps> ghost_403 stop bing scummy and have an opinion [19:46:57] <ghost_403>  [19:46:59] <Paperscraps> none of this "i dont want to do anything d1 unless i am 100%" [19:47:11] <Paperscraps> time to man up [19:47:25] <ghost_403> i think spirit is a good lynch day 1 [19:47:34] <ghost_403> pretty sure i said that on the thread [19:47:59] *** Joins: Blazinghand (~blazingha@c-76-126-243-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) [19:48:20] <ghost_403> prplhz and lanaia have felt a bit scummy to me, but not enough to do anything about it yet [19:48:34] <ghost_403> i don't like how he fished for roles (oh sorry, breaking the ice) [19:48:48] <ghost_403> then wasted my time while i tried to figure out why [19:48:57] <ghost_403> but i don't think that that is a good enough reason to lynch him [19:49:15] <ghost_403> lanaia follows just because she was the only one on irc defending him [19:49:22] <ghost_403> but again, that's a bad reason to lynch someone [19:49:42] <ghost_403> in the meantime, spirit contributes nothing, and does smell of scum for the reasons mattchew pointed out in thread [19:50:01] <ghost_403> i think he's a good lynch for the time being [19:50:33] <ghost_403> ./man up [19:50:42] <Paperscraps>  | ||
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On February 16 2012 05:09 phagga wrote: My top 3 lynch candidates (in alphabetical order): Kenpachi Sinani206 Spiritclown Other suspicious ppl: zeurg: actively avoiding participation mderg: barely active, only posting excuses, no content On February 16 2012 08:51 phagga wrote: ##vote [UoN]Sentinel On February 16 2012 09:05 phagga wrote: ##unvote [UoN]Sentinel ##vote sinani206 Hey phagga. What's up? | ||
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I've had my eye on you for a while now, and I've made that known to plenty of people. Two reasons I haven't put it in a "I think you're scum" post before now: 1) I haven't had enough evidence to make a compelling case yet, and 2) I believe it was palmar talked me out of it. In retrospect, palmar had a weak argument, and I finally have the proof I need. AND NOW I PRESENT MY CASE AGAINST [red]PRPLHZ[\red]: 1) You open up the game with role fishing. When I asked you about it, you spent literally an hour and a half running around in circles claiming that there was nothing wrong with it. I asked you if you had a good reason for it, and you decided instead that the burden of proof should be on me to somehow prove that it was scummy. I said what you did was scummy, the burden of proof is on you. Post by ghost_403 2) You're final answer for why you did it was "I was breaking the ice". That's fine. This is a game where you have to interact with people, a lot, in order to figure out what's going on. THERE ARE SO MANY BETTER WAYS TO BREAK THE ICE THAN ROLE FISHING. Next time, I would try something to the effect of "Hey! How's it going?" Works a lot better and tons less scummy. [01:04:58] <derpladee> it doesn't matter if it's an ice breaker or not even though it was primarily meant as such [01:05:07] <derpladee> i didn't push or bully people into giving me their roles or anything [01:05:14] <derpladee> you need to prove [01:05:22] <derpladee> and listen carefully because you are not understanding this because you are terrible [01:05:30] <derpladee> you need to prove not only that scum could have motivation for this [01:05:36] <derpladee> but also that townies could not have motivation for this [01:05:53] <ghost_403> so why don't you just say, "i meant it as an icebreaker, and it was a bad idea"? [01:06:49] <derpladee> because it wasn't a bad idea [01:07:02] <derpladee> i can't account for the entire town being full of morons 3) You still haven't told us the list of people you have PMd. If you were just breaking the ice, why not? What harm is there in saying "Outside of this thread, I talked to these people"? No harm at all. Instead, I see you purposefully hiding the list. What a scummy thing to do. [01:14:56] <ghost_403> and you haven't given me a good explanation as to why you contacted some and not others [01:15:04] <ghost_403> i'm a newbie at mafia, and you didn't contact me [01:15:08] <ghost_403> no ice breaking [01:15:14] <ghost_403> no nothing [01:15:17] <ghost_403> why is that? [01:16:28] <ghost_403> ... [01:17:02] <Sinani206> im kinda siding with ghost here. [01:17:12] <Sinani206> pistachio buddy :D [01:17:23] * ghost_403 high-fives sinani [01:17:28] <ghost_403> :D [01:17:32] * Sinani206 BROFIST [01:17:48] * ghost_403 BROFIST [01:18:19] <derpladee> lol you feeling left out? [01:18:34] <derpladee> i only PMd a few people because i don't think i have time to talk to a ton of people at the same time [01:19:21] <ghost_403> fair enough [01:19:28] <ghost_403> that would have been a decent answer [01:19:33] <derpladee> if you want to PM you can just sent one [01:19:33] <ghost_403> a couple of pages ago [01:19:44] <derpladee> it's just pretty stupid [01:20:25] <ghost_403> it was arbitrary, that's fine [01:20:32] <ghost_403> not impressed, but nothing wrong with that [01:21:15] <ghost_403> don't quite believe you, but i have an answer 4) What have your contributions to this thread been thus far? All of them fall into two categories: A) Defending yourself, and B) advocating the double lynch. You're more than welcome to make the "Oh, well I've been useful on IRC and PMs and Skype", but as of right now, you simply haven't been all that useful. On February 14 2012 22:10 prplhz wrote: Multiple lynches is a good idea. Two or three guys should die today. I don't mind throwing a lurker in there at all. prplhz's filter 5) And now you call me scum in the thread, with NO ARGUMENT WHATSOEVER. That post happened almost 30minutes ago. Unless you're writing a book, you have no excuse for your silence. In the case of "Well, I had to run off to class/work/Mordor", you should have put that in your post. 6) In addition, I am more or less the only person come out and say "I think that you're scum" the entire game. And now, you target me at the very first opportunity. No magnificently scummy of you. TL;DR ##VOTE: prplhz | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:41 phagga wrote: Why is it important that paperscraps has the same opinion/suspicion as you have? I mentioned it merely for completeness. Examining the voting record showed he voted prplhz, then switched his vote. | ||
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Well played, prplhz, well played.I still stand by the arguments I made against him, and wait for his response. @bluelightz I haven't posted that much because I don't like posting until I'm sure of things, which I have said before. If I think people are acting scummy, I'm going to call them out on it, which I did. I still see his refusal to tell us who he's talked to as scummy. If they were completely innocent, I don't see the harm in sharing the list with us. Instead, he's wasting our time purposefully hiding the list. | ||
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@prplhz: Point 1) Fair enough. You bring up a good point, that earlier I said that I didn't have enough for a post, then I post pretty much that thing. I've already admitted that I overreacted (ghost_403, pg24 p479). I should have waited until I had more to say. Point 2) I was shooting the breeze on IRC. No one is talking during that time. I think that if I was really guilty, I would have simply kept my mouth shut. Here's the rest of that. Friendly banter, nothing more. + Show Spoiler + [23:07:15] <Lanaia> I'm reading someone's filter and I actually am having a hard time keeping a straight face. [23:07:18] <Lanaia> hahahahah [23:07:45] <Mattchew> who [23:07:49] <ghost_403> do tell... [23:08:12] <Lanaia> heheheh [23:08:15] <Lanaia> someone in this channel [23:08:49] <Lanaia> because HYPOCRISY [23:09:56] * ghost_403 starts to sweat [23:10:00] <ghost_403> i hope it's not me! [23:14:04] <Lanaia> so, ghost_403, may I ask, have you been pming with anyone? Just out of curiosity, of course. [23:14:29] <ghost_403> fair question [23:14:31] <ghost_403> i have not [23:14:39] <Lanaia> Okay. [23:14:50] <ghost_403> all of my communication has happened here or on the thread [23:14:50] <Lanaia> So the entirety of your contribution to the game is here and in thread? [23:14:54] <Lanaia> okay [23:15:46] <ghost_403> now you have me curious [23:15:53] <Lanaia> I was just wondering. [23:16:09] * ghost_403 looks at lanaia with shifty eyes [23:16:31] <Lanaia> Care to hazard a guess at whose filter I was reading? [23:16:59] <ghost_403> i'm guessing mine, but i don't know what you found that made you laugh [23:17:07] <Lanaia> you shall see! Point 3) Saying that my IGNORE ME quote is proof that I'm scum is just dumb. It's a reference to an episode of the Venture Brothers (obscure, I know. Link at the bottom ). I say that anytime I put my foot in my mouth. Again, full logs of that convo are below.+ Show Spoiler + [00:56:26] <derpladee> it sounds like this: "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" [00:56:29] <Lanaia> for the sake of saying stuff? [00:56:29] <ghost_403> dundunDUUUUNNNN [00:56:49] <derpladee> meh [00:56:55] <ghost_403> ... [00:56:59] <Probulous> I would be happy adding phagga to the lynch list [00:57:04] <ghost_403> and now i'm trying to figure out what i was trying to say... [00:57:08] <ghost_403> IGNORE ME [00:57:28] <Probulous> ^^ ??? [00:57:29] <derpladee> would be great if you could just say that and it would happen, wouldn't it? [00:57:41] <Lanaia> /ignore ghost_403 [00:57:43] <ghost_403> yes it would, yes it would... [00:57:52] <ghost_403> someone pass that on to lanaia [00:57:59] <Lanaia> oh, webchat won't let me use that [00:58:00] <Lanaia> [00:58:12] <ghost_403> lol [00:58:24] <ghost_403> @prob i'm waiting for a response for his voting pattern Again, just friendly banter. Your final conclusion that I'm a better lynch target than anyone else is just wrong. Also, I notice that you haven't responded to any of the arguments that I presented against you. Curious. @phagga Point 1) I did not jump on that train, I happened to start on the same train. The entire reason that I came to IRC in the first place was to talk to prplhz about the PM incident. He just so happened to post in the thread first, and I didn't/don't see any point in reiterating his arguments. Litterally my first lines on IRC. + Show Spoiler + [23:58:46] *** Joins: ghost_403 (ghost_403@cpe-75-179-146-117.woh.res.rr.com) [23:58:52] <ghost_403> o/ [23:59:07] <Probulous> I'm still here brother! [23:59:25] <ghost_403> lol, good to hear [23:59:41] <ghost_403> hey derp, you on? [00:00:15] <Probulous> Slap him, slap him good :-) [00:00:24] * ghost_403 slaps derp [...] [00:22:15] <Lanaia> i think his asking about roles is null at the most. [00:22:23] <Probulous> he just posted his defense... [00:22:28] <Grackaroni> Palmar did it too but I think if he is doing it secretly its scummier [00:22:30] <Lanaia> oh, really [00:22:38] <Lanaia> he did it to me in channel here [00:22:39] <ghost_403> wait [00:22:41] <Lanaia> don't see a hge deal [00:22:41] <Grackaroni> palmar did it as a troll in thread [00:22:45] <ghost_403> prplhz posted his defense? [00:22:52] <Probulous> Mmm that is news to me [00:22:55] <Grackaroni> prlhz is secretly pming new players to give them their roles expecting they wont know better [00:23:07] <ghost_403> i was just going to ask him about that [00:23:11] <ghost_403> and now i dont have to! [00:23:13] <ghost_403> fantasic Point 2) I stand by what I said again. I wasn't making an argument with anyone. When someone does something scummy, I'm going to call them out on it. Until then, there really isn't a reason to argue with them. Arguing without good reason distracts everyone from doing important things, like hunting down scum. Point 3) I'm not scared to stand alone. This is the second time you have asked me that same question. I responded On February 17 2012 07:48 ghost_403 wrote: I mentioned it merely for completeness. Examining the voting record showed he voted prplhz, then switched his vote. Otherwise, someone could easily have presented the argument "Well, paperscraps thought prplhz was scum first, why didn't he call him scum." I'm still baffled why I'm the only one to think that the rolefishing thing wasn't horribly horribly scummy. + Show Spoiler + Unrelated, but Venture Brother's rock. My "IGNORE ME" comment was supposed to be read in the following fashion: | ||
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