EPTHowever, given the reaction to the legalization of gold buying in WoW through the Guardian Cub, and also the reaction to the RMAH in Diablo 3, it seems that player attitudes have now shifted.
So please take a moment to respond to this poll.
Do you agree with item/gold buying?
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
However, given the reaction to the legalization of gold buying in WoW through the Guardian Cub, and also the reaction to the RMAH in Diablo 3, it seems that player attitudes have now shifted. So please take a moment to respond to this poll. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
1) Do you agree with people actually spending real money to purchase in game items? 2) Do you agree with games letting you spend real money on items that give you an advantage? If you're asking the first question, then who cares? People can (and will) spend money on whatever they want. If you're asking the second question, then I personally don't agree with that, I think it's a terrible business model and not only harms the players that can't/won't spend real money to regain equal footing with those who paid for an advantage, but it also harms the developers of the game (in the long run), because less people will end up playing their game. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 08 2012 20:01 jtype wrote: I'm not sure quite what question you are asking here. I mean, there are two main issues on this subject: 1) Do you agree with people actually spending real money to purchase in game items? 2) Do you agree with games letting you spend real money on items that give you an advantage? If you're asking the first question, then who cares? People can (and will) spend money on whatever they want. If you're asking the second question, then I personally don't agree with that, I think it's a terrible business model and not only harms the players that can't/won't spend real money to regain equal footing with those who paid for an advantage, but it also harms the developers of the game (in the long run), because less people will end up playing their game. I meant in-game items that may give you an advantage, such as those sold over the RMAH in Diablo 3. Or gold, which can obviously used to buy both cosmetic items and useful items. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Yurie
12181 Posts
As for selling things that give a bonus outside of the normal and is account locked. That I disagree with, things like 10% more damage potion for x time that can't be traded. If you can trade it, then there isn't really any problem as long as the items aren't needed, just make things easier so a poor player don't need it and hardly notice its lack. These items should not work in PvP, only PvE. Cosmetics are fine to sell as long as they aren't stupid. Map packs / DLC is another part that I dislike. I won't get these. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
A large part of PvP is who has better gear anyway. Even if you take out the RMAH, there will always be people who have spent more time farming/MFing/botting/duping than you. IMO, just stop getting your panties in a bunch over a game that isn't even meant to be played competitively. If you want to complain, please direct your attention to problems that actually matter like SC2/Dota/LoL balance issues or w/e. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 08 2012 20:54 writer22816 wrote: I would never do that but I don't see anything wrong with it. RPGs and MMORPGs are not competitive games, therefore if a person wants to spend money to get gear, fine. A large part of PvP is who has better gear anyway. Even if you take out the RMAH, there will always be people who have spent more time farming/MFing/botting/duping than you. IMO, just stop getting your panties in a bunch over a game that isn't even meant to be played competitively. If you want to complain, please direct your attention to problems that actually matter like SC2/Dota/LoL balance issues or w/e. WoW is a very competitive game. If you don't have good gear and raid achievements, you're not going to get into a serious progression raiding guild. The highest caliber of guilds are sponsored and race for world first kills. PvP through the arena system is an eSport, with tournaments around the world (although it seems to have diminished a little since TBC). | ||
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
On January 08 2012 21:08 paralleluniverse wrote: WoW is a very competitive game. If you don't have good gear and raid achievements, you're not going to get into a serious progression raiding guild. The highest caliber of guilds are sponsored and race for world first kills. PvP through the arena system is an eSport, with tournaments around the world (although it seems to have diminished a little since TBC). Are we talking about WoW or RMT? Because the vast majority of MMO's arent WoW and aren't meant to be competitive. Hell, even wow isn't competitive anymore since it was dropped from basically every major tournament organization except Blizzcon. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Aside from banning all forms of trading totally, pretty much, you're always going to have the problem. | ||
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
Allowing people to spend money to shortcut this is effectively making the game shorter for the people who do so and so handicaps the people who play the game as it was intended. Why not extend the system and start selling gameplay aids? The could start off as and evolve into. Stat boosts -> special abilities -> increased hit chance -> seeing people through walls -> hitting r to win. The idea clearly needs bounds on how far it can go. Personally i think the idea cheapens games and if you intend to play a game competitively you therefor need to spend more to get there faster which is just stupid. People should be competitive at games by having more knowledge, better skills, having worked to get items. Sure trade in game gold for ingame items but allowing peopel to *buy* things in game with real money is a travesty. Moreover, it is the very definition of imbalance. May as well just use hacks it will damage the game just as much as everyone is forced into a spending real money arms race. Besides half the fun of selling stuff in the real world is the chance of getting conned / conning someone. As for reducing the grind/farm argument ... that is nonsense it will just appear somewhere else in another form. At the end of the day games have to slow down progress or else there would be a game to play. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On January 08 2012 21:17 Hakker wrote: Are we talking about WoW or RMT? Because the vast majority of MMO's arent WoW and aren't meant to be competitive. Hell, even wow isn't competitive anymore since it was dropped from basically every major tournament organization except Blizzcon. Lol, "highest calibur of guilds are sponsored". Maybe the top 5-10, my friend is in the 20th or so ranked and raids 6-8 hours 5 days a week. They dont get shit :-) goes to show how pointless it is. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On January 08 2012 20:14 Numy wrote: Well in WoW if noone bought gold would people still be getting their accounts hacked and cleaned out? there is no such thing as "hacked". Everyone who got his acc cleaned out deserved it because its his own fault and hes a fucking idiot. As for item selling: Microtransactions, aka buying items from the company that runs the game, which are better than what you can acquire by playing the game is a nogo. But the playerbase being allowed to trade their own items for real money is ok, i don't see how people can complain that people who don't play the game as much as your 14yo nerd are not allowed to have as good equipment as him. | ||
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fLaUpYY
Germany33 Posts
On January 08 2012 23:04 Warri wrote: there is no such thing as "hacked". Everyone who got his acc cleaned out deserved it because its his own fault and hes a fucking idiot. As for item selling: Microtransactions, aka buying items from the company that runs the game, which are better than what you can acquire by playing the game is a nogo. But the playerbase being allowed to trade their own items for real money is ok, i don't see how people can complain that people who don't play the game as much as your 14yo nerd are not allowed to have as good equipment as him. ofc. there is something like keylogging, and there will always be people who use them and get their email-addresses to hack. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 08 2012 21:17 Hakker wrote: Are we talking about WoW or RMT? Because the vast majority of MMO's arent WoW and aren't meant to be competitive. Hell, even wow isn't competitive anymore since it was dropped from basically every major tournament organization except Blizzcon. I'm talking about buying gold and items for real money in general. I mentioned WoW and Diablo 3 because they are the most familiar examples where it has been legalized. And it's not just in arenas where WoW is a competitive game, it's also competitive in rated BGs and PvE, and regardless of what eSports tournaments there are, you can experience the competitiveness in WoW players simply by playing the game. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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arterian
Canada1157 Posts
 Also, for those saying the gold and stuff comes from hacked accounts; I've been hacked twice and both times I got everything back and then some. If anything it was a minor annoyance. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
Unless others buying gold has a negative impact on other players, I don't see a problem. I'm well aware that keylogging/hacking happens partially to facilitate gold sales, but that shouldn't be the reason it should be stopped; rather that just means better enforcement is required. Arguments about "earning" them and stuff is all nonsense. Some people literally don't have enough time, and if they're willing to spend real money to get somewhere, so be it. People who drive to a destination vs fly to it don't suddenly ask airlines to be dismantled because they can't afford tickets (note: I'm well aware this is not a perfect analogy, nor do I intend it to be). As long as the seller isn't capable of selling everything upon its immediate release then all is good. I was the leader of a guild and we sold achievements/gear/mounts to people who were willing to pay in-game gold to help fund the guildbank. It might be different, but not so different that a lot of the arguments can't still be applied to the situation. | ||
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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