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Grackaroni
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Grackaroni
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Since it's instant majority lynch I think we should wait until near the end to vote or at least be aware of how many votes a player has on him before voting. We want the days to last as long as possible so we might as well use all the time that we are given instead of hammering the first scummy person we see. It would be smarter if the Town Channeler banishes people who are likely to be hit n1 instead of aiming to roleblock an angel unless he's very confident about a read. Obviously we want to lynch an angel today to try to reduce the KP but I'm not sure that there is anyway we can tell the difference between demons and angels, at least until their teammates have flipped. Probably later in the game we will have to focus on lynching demons over angels when they've corrupted several townies but We'll talk about that if it comes to that. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On January 04 2012 23:38 Dirkzor wrote: What if they target the player that is in purgatory? If Player A is in Purgatory and is targeted with Slay, he won't die. All we would know (from day posts) are that noone died from slay. Was it because Player A was targeted or is Player A the Angel of death? Either way we can't conclude anything. It would be very suspicious if it happened several nights with the same player in purgatory. We could have gotten lucky either way: Having the AoD in Purgatory or the AoD targeted the player in Purgatory, but no way to know which. For this situation the most important fact is the person's status. If it's a veteran who had a high likelihood of being attacked n1 then he should be checked before lynched. If it is somebody who you wouldn't expect to be attacked lynch him. Sure it's possible that the angel could hold back his shot but it's unlikely for them to do so since they would rather kill the target of their choice than let a random player get lynched(which could even end up as one of their own.) | ||
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Grackaroni
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 Do you think that Dirkzor would be a good day1 lynch or did you just vote him to check Zbot? | ||
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Grackaroni
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If we can't be sure that a player is an angel/demon I think the safe lynch is bluelightz. His play in Student mafia was weak and so far this game he has posted nothing but one liners. Hopefully he will have solid content when he returns but I am not too optimistic. I just don't think I will get a good read on him and he's not somebody I would want at lylo, the only downside to lynching him is that it may not give us as much information as many other lynches. Perhaps he would be a good n1 target for the town demon hunter? | ||
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Grackaroni
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The issue is that the last game I played in the town pretty much unanimously agreed that one player was acting scummy and he flipped town leaving the town basically as clueless on day 2 as we were day1. He seems like a solid lynch to me but if he flips town We'll be left with less information than I'd like. I basically answered my question from the end of my last post, he's a good demon hunter target (not like the angels will kill him for us) but maybe not the best for a lynch. | ||
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Grackaroni
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If he is sent to purgatory I would assume it was done by demons but their intentions are unknown, maybe they want to save him maybe they want to force a mislynch. | ||
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Grackaroni
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Syllogism was right, In Student Mafia he was a replacement and scum, this is not enough information for me to know that he won't be helpful to town but that was the impression I got from him and he has not done anything to change it thus far. (BH seemed to have gotten the same impression) As for lurkers I'm a bit disturbed that Errandor is the only person getting called out. I have not seen a post from Errandor or RoL and Palmar knows the game started but only posted On January 04 2012 20:33 Palmar wrote: I'm a kite! From what I gather though this is standard for Palmar. On January 04 2012 21:13 Refallen wrote: Is this some kind of metagame thing again? Dosen't Palmar always troll around in day 1? I remember that in TLXLVIII. These players are veterans so I hope that they will contribute to the game. Luckily the day is 72 hours so we still have plenty of time left. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On January 05 2012 08:41 Blazinghand wrote: No I took a lot of shit because of me. You didn't contribute to my Bluelightz idea at all, except to remind me he existed and is bad. If you like the bluelightz lynch, make a case and make your vote like a man. If you don't like it, don't do it. You make expand and defense it and you do so with vigor. Being like "hey guys should we pressure Bluelightz" and then apologizing for it doesn't help my case against him, and it doesn't help him either. I already explained this though he is my 2nd choice for a lynch over a lurker lynch. Both styles of play are anti-town but we should be lynching scum not just people who are being anti-town. Your case on BL does not prove that he is scum it just says that his actions are anti-town. | ||
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Grackaroni
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He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup. (this is what the majority of his posts are about) At the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town. In Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting. So far there has been no scumhunting done by him On January 05 2012 15:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: So how would people feel about lynching Palmar or Erandorr if they don't start posting more? Both have posted nothing of worth so far, Palmar was even active elsewhere on the mafia forum today, and both are known for doing very little as scum. He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for) Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to. I'll wait for more posts. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On January 06 2012 03:02 layabout wrote: I would lynch/shoot/violently murder Grackaroni if i had to kill someone now at the beginning he talks about hypotheticals involving roles, serveral players did this and it was largely irrelevant and so cannot really be used in analysis. he then wrote very confusing to be pushing a lynch and saying that a lynch was safe (which implies the existence of reasons why the case is safe but does not offer them) The lynch is safe just like I would call a Lurker lynch safe, he's won't be any more beneficial to the town than a lurker. if we paraphrase then including this last bit results in "i think we should lynch a player that i do not think i will be able to get a good read on" Yes, that is part of my reasoning, why do people lynch lurkers? lynch to kill scum not to get information Correct the primary goal is to lynch scum, but the information aspect is also important, why do you think people hate no lynching? here grack suggests using towns KP on a player he doesn't think he can read who hasn't posted more than a couple of lines by this point in the game. I based it off of a past experience and the few quotes he had; I knew that he wouldn't be helpful. Besides BH used those same quotes why not question him?. I was wrong to do so but he still hasn't proven me wrong. It has also already been explained why he shouldn't have suggested BL would be useless The above post seems a lot more reasonable if there are scum goals behind it. it should be self evident this is why this is so, but i will say that most of those statements don't make sense if grack is town. he (kind of) tries to take credit for pressuring BL and takes the blame for "BH taking shit for him" I am pretty sure BH "taking shit" was not because of grack and that grack is possibly trying to "buddy" up with BH and paint himself in a good light for taking blame. + Show Spoiler + this is't particularly incriminating but reading that sentence did bug me There isn't much to analyse but he is a reddest shade of grey in my eyes I don't see much of a difference between my reasoning and BH's reasoning as much as he'd like to deny it. BH took all of his quotes and they only point to him being a bad player not scum. He even goes as far as to say that he wouldn't mind if he is town. [/b] On January 05 2012 03:02 Blazinghand wrote: Don't go lynching anyone but Bluelightz if you think he's a legit valid scum. It doesn't matter whether he's an angel or a demon or what. In fact, given that he was staggeringly bad in Student mafia (though he WAS a replacement) it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless. | ||
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Grackaroni
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However the lynch is used for Information as well as killing scum, it wouldn't give the most information but more than I previously thought as a lot of people seem split on whether he is scum or not. Question for Syllogism, Why do you dislike lynching BlueLightz? Is it because you have gotten a town read on him, (if yes plz do share), or was it just because of the way I presented his lynch. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On January 06 2012 04:23 Blazinghand wrote: If I knew 100% Bluelightz was town, I'd be focusing other players. There's a difference between saying I wouldn't mind if he is town and it might be good to kill, just because even if he is town he could be useless. "Oh but Blazinghand I am grackaroni and have no understanding of nuance please explain" Oh, Grackaroni, you are always so self-derprecating. Here I will help you. If Bluelights is lynched and flips scum, that would be sweet. If Bluelightz flips town, i'm gonna mind a lot. I'm gonna be pissed because he played like shitty dick. It will still have been the right move to have lynched him based on the info we had, and even if he is town, you have to admit he's useless-- indistinguishable from scum and actively hurtful if he, somehow, lives to LYLO. So I guess my question for you, Captain Grack Sparrow, is, do you really think I'd be happy lynching a townie day 1? Or do you think I'm just willing to accept the consequences of my actions, like a goddamn man, make a case, like a goddamn man, and ACTUALLY VOTE AND DO STUFF. fine. ##Vote: HarbingerofDoom But with that I am off, Will be back in a few hours though, I promise | ||
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Grackaroni
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On January 06 2012 07:40 Blazinghand wrote: Grackaroni is a largely noncommittal semi-lurk who deserves the scorn of women and the hatred of men. If he somehow made it into the history books, the world would look back upon him and shudder with violent grief. Your case against him is fine. I want to see what he does. Inb4 noncomittal Grack is noncomittal. And Blazinghand is a god of mafia who deserves a statue built in his honor. | ||
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Grackaroni
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I know perfectly well that Bluelightz is being anti-town but having him as a lynch target won't make anybody take a stand on their vote. Everyone can agree that he is being anti-town and then if he flips town all we will gain from it is BH saying "Damn I'm so pissed off that this player who I completely expected to play well has performed poorly, guess it's his fault." i would avoid this problem with a day vig shot. @BH Do you really hold him up to the same standards as other players that you would be pissed off if he flips town? If people are going to lynch somebody who I don't think is scum and If I can't find a scum player I will vote Bluelightz, he is simply my backup lynch. (I think he has a greater chance of flipping scum than any random lurker) His play is anti town but that doesn't mean he is scum. You're right that I should be shooting the person I vote for but the choice to vote wasn't really thought out. i'm not confident that HoD is scum but I do have my suspicions. The vote was a little bit based off of emotions because I am tired of BH's "be a man and vote" rants. Nevertheless it's not the end of the world as my vote is not locked in stone by any means and I still have more time to look into HoD. (or anyone else for that matter) | ||
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Grackaroni
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On January 06 2012 05:08 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: All but two of my posts as of when you said this occurred while I was one of 5 people with posts in the game. Clearly I shoulda been scum hunting hard with all that info in the thread. I also did not and do not want a lurker lynch today. I wanted Palmar and Erandorr to start contributing, and the thread was fairly inactive at the time, so I thought bringing up a more controversial idea like lynching a couple veteran players might help get things moving, or at least get them contributing a bit more. Also, please don't use my first game ever to establish a meta on me. I've obviously adjusted my play since then. Try checking out Steamship or Election (as TotallyNotTwoPeople, starting game day 2 for when I basically began playing solo) to get a better meta read on me. That's basically one of the reasons I'm suspicious. You post a lot at the start and then when scumhunting begins you disappear, not that you didn't scumhunt at the start. The only meta I got from you was that you seemed like somebody who posted a lot and spent a lot of time scumhunting in that game. I should have looked into more recent games but what's wrong with letting me think that of you? On January 06 2012 05:50 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Hmm, a fair point I suppose, but he had about as many people saying he was a bad lynch as he had saying he was a decent target, so I still don't know how much nervousness that would really induce. Also, an accusation from syllo is more likely to be a death-sentence than an accusation from someone like grackaroni or blazinghand, so I would think that would be more of the nervousness inducing suspicion... :-) @Grackaroni Could you please explain why you are using your previous game experience with bluelightz, where he was scum, to influence your opinion of how useful he may end up being as town in this game? Things like that along with your poorly constructed case on me certainly aren't looking very good to me so far, but I'll be checking out your previous games to see what kind of standard you should be held to when it comes to your use of logic/case building. the first part of your quote strikes me the wrong way because I get the feeling that you just wanted to downplay my abilities, you don't care if I accuse you and think my opinion should be worth less than a veteran like syllogism. You've done nothing to change my mind, the only person you call scummy is me and your reasoning is that you think my case against you is shitty + you add in my opinion of bluelightz which I don't think you would have even mentioned if I didn't accuse you. Next you make some posts about people lurking and leave. You haven't been scumhunting but you keep giving me reasons to believe that you have lots of time to do so : [previous game with lots of scumhunting and posting, early signup, post a lot on strategies at the start of the game (early to find out it started too) quick to see my post and has time to defend yourself] You're definitely holding back in your posting. | ||
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Grackaroni
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If someone beside HoD is reading this, the question I am answering is "why I thought Bluelightz play as scum would be bad for town?" I really hate the quote formating inside of the spoiler so I'm going to avoid posting long quotes from student. On December 14 2011 09:44 Bluelightz wrote: sorry just didnt feel like posting (>_<) On December 08 2011 00:05 Bluelightz wrote: PS: if i don't post much it's because I don't really have a good scumread on anyone if I do I'll post my analysis On December 14 2011 15:57 Bluelightz wrote: sorry BH, didnt notice your case till now so, ##Vote: Tunkeg BH, is there any other of his posts that make you have a scumread on him? also, after looking @ BHs case m mind is decided for this day On December 08 2011 18:57 Bluelightz wrote: ey215 is leaning scum, when he says I Am Town but then, I quote Grackaroni On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote: NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE He openly showed no issue with lurking He openly sheep's other people Further when he posts his own cases they always end up being null. sometimes he took completely random parts of our posts out and used them for the main basis of his read. Maybe he did most of these things purely because he was scum but I think he could at least realize that his play wasn't resembling pro-town play Anyways if you really want to I could go over everyone one of his posts from the last game and tell you what bugged me about them. But the point is that I should not have based his entire play off of only one game from him as scum, and I shouldn't have brought my annoyance with his last game's performance into this game either. Now I get to focus on the game that is actually being played instead of going over this old one. As for Palmar I don't think the meta can conclude that he is scum and he seems much more willing to contribute than errandor. palmar could be our best scumhunter and I don't think a day1 meta read should be enough to risk killing one of our best players Besides people are downplaying his scum play so somebody explain to me why people keep saying that it will be scary if Palmar is scum? On January 07 2012 08:26 Palmar wrote: people on my wagon need to take a long hard look at their play. sheeping activity meta is fucking terrible. when i flip theres no excuse. no "well he played scummy". the only reason youre voting me is youre terrible and cant think. because none of you have anything. I'm going to assume that your issue is the sheeping and not that the case is built off of meta because you are voting for Errandor because of activity meta while criticizing other people for doing the same thing to you. | ||
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Grackaroni
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Grackaroni
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An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets. ##Vote: Errandor | ||
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