Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia I

On December 23 2011 23:39 Dirkzor wrote:


I bolded what i found strange. You already state that you will be lurking. Early in game you want people to feel its okay that you lurk. No Mr. I won't allow it!

Yes life gets in the way but you should make up for it when time permits. In that way people won't feel you are lurking if you have provided enough to talk about when you actually have the time. We all need to eat and sleep (work?) but if you don't carry your weight we don't need you.

##Vote sephirotharg

On December 23 2011 13:59 GiygaS wrote:
And also, it's stupid to not get a lynch on day1 unless we have literally no leads. It's better to lynch a guy that we think is leaning scum, then not lynching anybody at all.

On December 23 2011 15:16 Misder wrote:
@Day1 Lynch- yes. ofc, that comes with scumhunting as well as potentially lynching lurkers.

On December 21 2011 08:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.

Your first post comes across as timid and making excuses for further down the track. Saying “I’m not skilled” only serves to devalue your opinion, which is something that no townie wants to do. It is however something that mafia wants to do, if he plans on flying under the radar.

Your problem with lynching all liars is that it ‘narrows town focus’ too much. I disagree; someone caught lying to the town deserves all the scrutiny they get. I feel as though you are giving yourself an out in the event that you are caught lying later on.

Lastly, your point on lurkers is just flat out questionable. If you didn’t have the time to devote to playing this game, then why did you sign up? As you can tell, there are several people who missed out that want your spot. You finish by tacking on some napkin math about how many days we have before lylo, which is unnecessary on page 4 when the game started on page 3. Its entirely fluff, discussing worst-case scenario’s on the first day is pointless and only serves as a distraction from us doing our jobs, catching scum.

Your second and third posts are also causes for concern. In your second post you state “if anything, explicitly stating how I play is pro-town” in response to Shraft prodding you about your lurking intentions. Then in your next post, 6 minutes later, you say, “In general, lurking isn’t optimal play, not for town at any rate”. This just screams inconsistent. You claim your play style is pro-town, and then dismiss your play style as not optimal for town only 6 minutes later.

After demeaning Giygas by implying that you know something he doesn’t (interesting tactic for someone claiming to be “unskilled” in their first post), you claim that you think it’s ‘rather obvious’ as to why you are doing what you are doing. This just screams cop-out, you weren’t expecting all the heat you’re getting from your first few posts and now you are trying to rationalise it all as ‘generating discussion’.

In your last post (as of the time of writing this) you announce your intentions to return to lurking until near the deadline so ‘don’t expect much form me later on’, so… you don’t plan on defending yourself after all of this?

Your message to Shraft: “I’m glad I’m not the only one playing subtly” again just stinks of cop-out.

Now that the PBP is over, I’m just going to be honest. You claim unskilled and then act like you are ‘laying scum traps’ by being subtle. You announce your intentions to lurk, which does nothing to help this town. Your play has been nothing but anti-town since your first post. Don’t lurk, get back here and EXPLAIN your actions.

**And now that I’ve refreshed the thread, you’ve voted for yourself… AND edited “contradictory statements” out of one of your posts. I really wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, but the shoe fits here.

On December 24 2011 08:23 Shraft wrote:
If you're town, you should be focusing on finding scum rather than looking innocent yourself. It stands out to me because generally scum players are a lot more careful with what they say, and make damn sure that they don't contradict themselves or stick their neck out in any other way. Townies don't think as much about how they word their posts, but to mafia it comes naturally.

On December 24 2011 09:58 jaybrundage wrote:
Dont you think its weird that Sephirotharg instead of defending himself that he just leaves? And the votes for himself just not to get modkilled however he knows people are voting for him but he ignores it. He is much more likly to be lynched at this point.

The part where he edited a post to appear innocent is pretty much nailing him the coffin. A townie would not have to be so conscious of his posts because he has nothing to hide.

He then states at this point he would rather not play the game. He doesn't want to play the game because hes mafia that got caught day one. Kinda sucks but pretty good for town dont ya think.

On December 24 2011 10:23 EchelonTee wrote:
Was sister's birthday yesterday and went out last night, time to get on this.

On seph:

Interesting how seph is against policy lynches, as they could be easily used as a case on him. Self admitting lurking, then later claims he did this on purpose to see if it would arouse attention? Wat?

Note how this post really doesn't advance discussion, especially his last paragraph; it sounds longer he is being analytical with his reasoning but all he is doing is stating the obvious, that we need day 1 lynch is a forgone conclusion. However this I'd still early the day, seph gets more suspicious/weird as we move on.

Acting smug about doing something scummy, as though you're being actually a super sneaky pro-town? Seems like Betty poor backpedaling to me. Pointing out your negative tendencies just emphasizes that you are anti town, but trying to present it as though its no big deal. there is little reason to state this from a town perspective; you are just giving yourself an excuse for bad play and/or scum play. I and others already noted that you haven't generated any good discussion, so at this point your case is looking worse.

More backpedaling with the justification for lurking. Very faulty logic, trying to claim people who are calling out your poor behavior are suspicious... For noticing that you are highly suspicious? No one is buying it. At this point I suspect this was a terribad GF gambit.

This sealed the case for me. Seph's defenses have positively become shorter and shadier. If your were town, your would have no reason to fear being scrutinized for bullshit unless a) you're a terribad townie who is disrupting play, or b) scummy scum. There is little backing up what you have said. Voting for self = just plain weird, shows that you don't have a case on ANYONE else, if you had any way to defend yourself, your vote and your reasoning would be the way... And you have shown that you have no defense.

On December 24 2011 13:08 Grackaroni wrote:

You've become too inconsistent. At the start of the game you downplayed yourself as a lurker and a bad player. You later defended yourself using the above quote claiming that it was good play, it helped you lure scum out of hiding, and that you don't mind putting yourself out as a target.
You've taken some pressure and now all of a sudden you don't even want to play the game anymore?
That doesn't match with your earlier statement.

You should be using the information you've gathered with your "I'm a bad player and a lurker" trap to help expose the scum team. Instead you've already gotten a defeatist attitude.

Why wouldn't you want to give us your reads? You should be giving out information to help the town, especially because your about to be lynched... there is no alignment where it would be beneficial for you to not try to defend yourself and giving us what your thinking helps the town.

It is actually good to appear as townish as possible for both town and scum, but for somebody with as limited time as yourself you should be prioritizing reading other people's filters over your own.

As scum you could still try to wiggle your way out of the lynch. instead you put a placeholder vote on yourself EVEN THOUGH you said that you would be here before the deadline. You edit a post EVEN THOUGH you said you read the rules after people said you couldn't self vote. I think it's entirely possible that your play at the start of the game was so suspicious that now the mafia decided to bus you, that's my best explanation for why you've given up and are even asking to be modkilled. I hope that's not the case because you can't try to get modkilled to help your team.