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hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
December 21 2011 13:58 GMT
#28
/in as replacement
How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
December 23 2011 19:28 GMT
#99
/confirm

Eventhough i'm not going to vote at this point for him, i'm kinda suspicious about sephirotharg. He seems to change from opinions a bit too much. But then again, i've seen weirder play in mafia.

ps. I'm now out for the night, just stepped in as replacement so no high post count for me day1.. will be here tommorow

How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
December 24 2011 10:54 GMT
#164
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 24 2011 13:27 sephirotharg wrote:
Aren't my actions in line with an unskilled player? Trying (and not succeeding as much as I had hoped) to lure out scum with an (admittedly) poorly executed plan. Seems less like scum and more like noob, to me. I never announced my intentions to lurk - that was a misinterpretation on your part. And don't make the mistake of thinking that you can run my life or determine what I do - virtually (in both senses) yelling at me to come back is rude and counter-productive.

As I've explained earlier, voting for myself as a placeholder was merely because I didn't want to expose any of my feelings on other players at that time - I prefer to reserve my judgments for later on. The contradictory statement was merely me saying that I didn't want votes on myself, then later in the same post saying that I was watching anyone who voted for me. After reading it over, I realized it sounded dumb and contradictory, so I changed it. Re-read both posts for yourself if you don't believe me.


On December 24 2011 19:33 Shraft wrote:
However, he did point out one thing, namely that his play might be more in line with that of a newer/unskilled player.


He has indeed. But, as you can see in the spoiler, he is defending himself very well aware of his fault. And a he has said himself, he is not really a noob. He might be a bad player, but that basic mistake he should not be making here.



+ Show Spoiler +
On December 23 2011 13:35 sephirotharg wrote:
For myself, I've never played mafia here on TL, but I've played a small amount on some other forums. I'm not skilled, but it's still fun

As for policy lynches, I'm against Lynch All Liars, only because it tends to lead to players narrowing their focuses too much - lynching someone, even if they are a liar, may not be the best idea for the town.

And Lynch All Lurkers is also a bad idea, not the least because at times I am one . Same reason as before, with the added rationale that life gets in the way sometimes - papers, work, family and such all happen, and sometimes you can't devote the time necessary.

With that said, doing some estimation, worst case scenario (assuming bad lynches and vig kills, with one vig, as well as all mafia kills), we have until day 3 to flip a red. Keeping that in mind, what say the people about a day 1 lynch?


I'm not going to let anyone come in here, screw around with us a bit and then state "I am not a mafia" and get away with it.

##Vote: sephirotharg

How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
December 24 2011 23:52 GMT
#194
On December 25 2011 07:35 jaybrundage wrote:
Oh and we need minus to get in here and post he has contributed very little.

Hyshes as well.

We need more posts from these guys or we will not be able to get a read on them.

Please post what you think about the current cases me and Sep


pretty easy. Sep is making no sense whatsoever. I'm not gonna allow him to screw around here a bit and then get away with it. All he did up to now is anti-town. His case on you was no case, it was a dull replica. He didn't do anything.

And about the case on you. Its based on things i don't see in your posts.
How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
December 25 2011 03:06 GMT
#207
@sephirotharg stop contradicting yourself. You clearly aren't a noob.
How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
December 25 2011 11:59 GMT
#223
On December 25 2011 14:42 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Alright, that didn't go so well.
That mislynch was caused by both his actions, and a majority of us being relatively content with having found someone that looked scummy.
For as long as there are more scum out there than we can lynch per day, we should be scum hunting after we find a most likely candidate.

Of particular concern to me was sheep voting. A few people sheep voted, if I had to name names, they would be

Dirkzor
Shraft
Jaybrundage
Hyshes

The former two make the list because their initial votes were merely pressure. Their decision to be on the wagon at the end of the day is what matters most, and they borrowed logic from others.

At some point you're going to have to make reads on candidates other than the one you want to hang most, to make sure there is a majority if you think someone is scum. It's ok to not have new content in an analysis on a bandwagon you want to join. Scum only say so many scummy things each, it's not like every word is overflowing with scummyness, so at some point the amount of new things to contribute is going to run dry. As a townie, you have to recognise that your argument brings nothing new, and show in your post both who helped you and what logic of theirs convinced you.

The problems with reading people arise when townies get content with sheeping, and not doing any analysis. Again, if you're sheep voting, realise that you are, and show the logic that convinced you a person is scummy.

Dirkzor, Shraft, Jaybrundage and Hyshes: Tell us what convinced you to be on the lynch at the end of the day. More importantly, if you could kill somebody right now, who would it be and why?.


I did not sheepvote. I'm just not gonna let anyone come in here screw with us and get away with it. Especially when they say they are a noob but clearly aren't. There is no need as town to play so anti-town in a mini setup. Trickery can maybe used in abigger game, but here we have no room for it. And thus, in a mini game i see that as scumplay.

There is no point in making lists atm of who is scum or not. I'm going to wait until we know who the scum shot this night.




How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
December 25 2011 21:59 GMT
#230
On December 26 2011 06:12 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2011 21:12 Dirkzor wrote:
On December 25 2011 14:42 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Alright, that didn't go so well.
That mislynch was caused by both his actions, and a majority of us being relatively content with having found someone that looked scummy.
For as long as there are more scum out there than we can lynch per day, we should be scum hunting after we find a most likely candidate.

Of particular concern to me was sheep voting. A few people sheep voted, if I had to name names, they would be

Dirkzor
Shraft
Jaybrundage
Hyshes

The former two make the list because their initial votes were merely pressure. Their decision to be on the wagon at the end of the day is what matters most, and they borrowed logic from others.

At some point you're going to have to make reads on candidates other than the one you want to hang most, to make sure there is a majority if you think someone is scum. It's ok to not have new content in an analysis on a bandwagon you want to join. Scum only say so many scummy things each, it's not like every word is overflowing with scummyness, so at some point the amount of new things to contribute is going to run dry. As a townie, you have to recognise that your argument brings nothing new, and show in your post both who helped you and what logic of theirs convinced you.

The problems with reading people arise when townies get content with sheeping, and not doing any analysis. Again, if you're sheep voting, realise that you are, and show the logic that convinced you a person is scummy.

Dirkzor, Shraft, Jaybrundage and Hyshes: Tell us what convinced you to be on the lynch at the end of the day. More importantly, if you could kill somebody right now, who would it be and why?.


I can't see how you would point me out for sheep voting? I pressure voted _very_ early on Seph and later reevaluted to jay. When i knew that i wouldn't post more before lynch time I went back to Seph to get a lynch.

I'll answer you first question now and the second later in another post.
For me i wanted to lynch either Seph or Jay. Seph was pressured way to easy into weird posts and strange way of acting. The whole "I wont post until a mod clears me" and the excuses in his posting. As i wrote when i changed my vote to jay i was leaning town on seph - but the lynch still would give some info.
Jay just jumped on the wagon way to easy. I wrote about this when i went through peoples reasons to vote for Seph. He did put up a lot of defence when the cases on him were made but it just felt overly aggressive. It seemed like he wanted his actions to be completly the opposite from what seph showed in his defence and he went to far.

In the end i just wanted a lynch and voted Seph because the activity level didn't seem that high and i saw the chance to get enough people to switch very small.

I've just read the whole thread and have a few people's filter to go through. I'll answer your second question then.

I called it sheeping because your pressure was made off a relatively weak statement. What about his play after you put the vote on inspired you to have it there at the end of the day?

Did you believe both Seph and Jay were scum at the times you voted them?

You claim to use getting a lynch as the reason to swap back to Jay, but your vote-swap changed it from 8v3 to 9v2. Even before your swap, and given that Seph wasn't going to vote for himself, that left the game at 7v4, a majority on Seph already. What parts of the pages between these convinced you that your vote was necessary to ensure a majority was reached, and did anything else factor in outside of wanting to ensure a lynch?

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On December 25 2011 20:59 hyshes wrote:
On December 25 2011 14:42 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Alright, that didn't go so well.
That mislynch was caused by both his actions, and a majority of us being relatively content with having found someone that looked scummy.
For as long as there are more scum out there than we can lynch per day, we should be scum hunting after we find a most likely candidate.

Of particular concern to me was sheep voting. A few people sheep voted, if I had to name names, they would be

Dirkzor
Shraft
Jaybrundage
Hyshes

The former two make the list because their initial votes were merely pressure. Their decision to be on the wagon at the end of the day is what matters most, and they borrowed logic from others.

At some point you're going to have to make reads on candidates other than the one you want to hang most, to make sure there is a majority if you think someone is scum. It's ok to not have new content in an analysis on a bandwagon you want to join. Scum only say so many scummy things each, it's not like every word is overflowing with scummyness, so at some point the amount of new things to contribute is going to run dry. As a townie, you have to recognise that your argument brings nothing new, and show in your post both who helped you and what logic of theirs convinced you.

The problems with reading people arise when townies get content with sheeping, and not doing any analysis. Again, if you're sheep voting, realise that you are, and show the logic that convinced you a person is scummy.

Dirkzor, Shraft, Jaybrundage and Hyshes: Tell us what convinced you to be on the lynch at the end of the day. More importantly, if you could kill somebody right now, who would it be and why?.


I did not sheepvote. I'm just not gonna let anyone come in here screw with us and get away with it. Especially when they say they are a noob but clearly aren't.[1] There is no need as town to play so anti-town in a mini setup. Trickery can maybe used in abigger game, but here we have no room for it. And thus, in a mini game i see that as scumplay.

There is no point in making lists atm of who is scum or not. I'm going to wait until we know who the scum shot this night.

Alright, what made you feel that he clearly wasn't a noob at the time?
The automatic default from 'bad trap' to 'scumplay' seems like multiple leaps of logic based off the fact he wasn't the noob he claimed to be.


Noobs don't point out there mistakes. Someone else does this for them. He knows way too much about the game.
How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
December 26 2011 23:50 GMT
#256
Quite irritating. I really thought i would have had time these days. But as always, when you got nothing, something huge comes up.

Anyway, I read the new posts kinda fast.
Atm i think Shraft should be lynched.

##Vote Shraft
How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
December 30 2011 20:08 GMT
#399
I'm sorry i was not around this week. Girlfriend is in hospital, first thought only for 2 days, but seems it's longer. I only read the cases, they seem legit to me.

Just to do my obligation as town:
##Vote GiygaS

I don't have the time nor the energy for this atm. I'm really sorry for this.
How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
January 01 2012 19:41 GMT
#440
My inactivity was not very beneficial for town. I would like to apologize for that again. I signed up with the idea of having lots of time, which eventually i did not have. I'm sorry for that.
How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
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