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The game has unfortunately probably been full since page 1. There will likely be other games during the holiday break, which won't be quite as popular and won't use invitations.
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I'll be trying a new style so if there's something off with my play, that's probably it
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On December 20 2011 16:14 bumatlarge wrote:
Chez, you have to be careful, if Ver invited you, you can bet he specifically laid out traps for particular styles of play. We need think outside the box in order to counter his methods. Serious.
I'm accusing the hydra of provoking chez. There is no reason to ask such a stupid question. Stop asking stupid questions.
What does this even mean? The theme is to punish bad play, not to punish weird play and how do we "think outside the box to counter his methods"? Not making sense is bad play, will you take responsibility?
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On December 20 2011 18:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I don't understand why Chezinu would come in and basically claim Traitor. The move makes no sense as a Townie gamble since you destroy your own credibility and put yourself at risk of being lynched or vigged.
I know that he's Chezinu but I think he actually is the Traitor. Kind of like how he basically claimed SK day 1 in LSB's Merc Mini Mafia. Either way the onus is on him to either post real content or face the lynch.
I'm not too familiar with bum's play since every game I've been in with him we've been scum together so I ignore his posts but does he have a penchant for useless posting? I vaguely remember him getting lynched as Town in Personality for posting like crap.
Is this Curu? Tag your posts. I've a hard time believing that you actually think chezinu couldn't do that regardless of his alignment. Oh no Chezinu may destroy his credibility!!
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That's really stupid, how does that make him harder to read, especially if they tag their posts as instructed. Not like that is a good reason for lynching someone even if that was the case. GM do you think it's harder to read chezinu or the hydra? If the answer is chezinu, why are you voting to lynch the hydra
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Bum I've read your post several times and I still don't understand what you are trying to say. It's very likely that if there are "triggers" in the game, they aren't arbitrary but as the theme suggests punish only bad play. Of course mafia roles might follow different rules, but lynching someone based on your guesses is awful. Asking questions is normal town play and is a null tell unless we later gain information that provides an alternative motivation for them. There is no need to play any differently than you normally do and in fact you shouldn't as that will only make it more difficult to potentially establish your innocence.
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That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance.
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On December 21 2011 01:59 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. Or we could just ignore roles and work on analysis, since in a half flip setup with completely unknown mechanics its going to be hard to sort out truth from lies.
There is no reason why we can't do both and we it shouldn't be that difficult given that we get alignment flips. Are you going to answer why you voted for curu/sandroba hydra over chezinu on the grounds of hydra being difficult to read and then proceeded to say chezinu can't be read
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On December 21 2011 02:00 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. So you are saying we should all role claim right now?
No, are you saying you can't read?
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On December 21 2011 02:23 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 02:02 syllogism wrote:On December 21 2011 02:00 LSB wrote:On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. So you are saying we should all role claim right now? No, are you saying you can't read? I'm very confused. When you are saying Is it in response to this statement? Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. If not, what statement is it in response to? If it is, are you defending chez's statement that people should straight out claim right now? Or are you introducing an obvious yet irrelevant point?
It was a response to RebirthOfLeGenD, who seemed to be advocating not claiming, ever
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Curu's reasoning appears solid; GM asserted that hydra's are inherently hard to read and therefore according to him anti-town, while Curu pointed out they actually benefit town because two players are more effective than one. How can you say that the former is a good reason to lynch someone while the latter isn't a good reason to keep someone alive? In the end all that matters is whether they are being useful and making sense, which is what your previous post was talking about
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On December 21 2011 05:39 bumatlarge wrote:
Hold off on voting Samuel for now, I made a mistake. Curu couldn't have really meant anything then exactly what he said, since that would be kinda unfair to his other half to go make some scummy incentive. It was an innocent accusation against chezinu's posts. I'll delve more into it later, but it's kinda the concept of a hydras fault. I don't really see the WIFOM at the moment, so until I review everything else, I'm going to hold my vote.
##Unvote SamuelLJackson
Uh what, are you saying that if Curu is mafia, he can't make that post because Sandroba is asleep?
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That is to say, couldn't have made the post with the intent that you thought it had due to that
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Palmar any thoughts on prplhz and GM? Right now I'm leaning towards GM being my lynch of choice today, particularly due to him just sticking to tunnelling the hydra for being a hydra and barely posting. The latter applies to a bunch of people though but at least GM was around
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This is going to be a pretty annoying game if we have a bunch of people who only show up to make one or two big posts when I'm already gone
SLJ/Sandroba: you have been less active than I would expect, any particular reason? I was under the impression you would have time right now
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I thought it was a pretty dumb case, so pretty much what I would expect. Not sure about the forced part because it takes some forcing for me to read his posts in general. As for the SK part, he seemed to be saying that lsb knows there is a SK because he is mafia but that's stupid because OP only says they'll be given some sort of list of blues and not third parties. And the OP does hint about the possibility of other black roles than just the traitor
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I thought it may have been a trap to see who would immediately jump on him but that doesn't really work when there's no follow up, which may be what chaoser was alluding to. That or triggers hurrr
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On December 21 2011 19:21 Palmar wrote:
You never responded about L and BC syllo, what do you think of those two?
Both completely worthless so far, so potentially decent lynches even today
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Wiggles' posts regarding GM/you was quite strange. The one about LSB made a bit more sense in terms of content, but was still rather cautious
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VE: Nothing scummy about going after lurkers and your whole case appears to be built around that assumption. You know what is lazy scum play? Lurking.
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