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On December 11 2011 08:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Well, I should be good to go, so feel free to switch me from tentative to confirmed. Everything is back up and running and my comp hasn't burst into flames or anything yet.
Fuck that guy. -I'm- in.
/in
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Why hello everyone. Since I (Harbinger) am 2 for 2 on being targeted by mafia night 2, I will not be running for mayor or pardoner, as I think it should be left to the players that usually get shot night one instead.
Are the elections on later days for different positions, other than mayor or pardoner? I'd assume mayor and pardoner are roles that once elected to you keep for the entire game, is this correct?
Professor Badass needs to post some more if they want to be an actual candidate for mayor. Low effort campaigns are scum campaigns.
Hi Sheth! And since you asked about it, the real names involved in this hydra are Joe and Nahien.
3 truths and 2 lies for you as well: We are both same age. We are both addicted to tea. One of us swing dances. One of us is bilingual. One of us has seen you, Sheth, in person. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Boy-with-binoculars.png) (Don't look out your window)
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Hello again, this coming from the -other- half of TotallyNotTwoPeople (fun fact, we are totally not two people.) Just wanted to say Hi to everyone before going unconscious and vividly hallucinating for 4-12 hours. Will probably post more tomorrow (don't wanna commit too -to- much. Would hate to disappoint).
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On December 13 2011 01:32 risk.nuke wrote:Do you belive Deus-ex and TnTp hydras will be easy to get a read of? Well, in Steamship I was town and never received a single vote on me, despite people being able to vote for as many people as they wanted, so I am assuming people read me pretty well there. Presumably I'll be pretty easy to read here as well. Hopefully the second head doesn't add too much confusion.
I like the policy of no pardons, no exceptions. If the majority decides something, I don't think a single person should override that decision, especially since it will also create a huge distraction for town.
/Harbinger
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On December 13 2011 11:43 Radfield wrote: Hey HarbingerofDoom(TNTP), in steamship you came out absolutely swinging as a townie. Here you are absolutely dragging your feet. Anything to add to the discussion? Hi there. The reason for the less posting is because the friend who comprises the other half of the hydra is visiting from out of state, so we've been doing things around the city rather than being near a computer at all times. Sorry for the somewhat lacking activity.
On a note related to lacking activity: + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2011 17:34 ProfessorBadass wrote: Why am I running for Mayor?
I am infinitely smart, suave, charismatic, modest, able, active, amazing, modest, and honest. And Erandorr's not bad either.
Anyone who has played with me will know I give my all in regards to activity and scumhunting every game that I am in. I will never avoid the game or lose interest. My biggest pet peeve ever is Townies who expect to be mindlessly carried or don't keep an active interest in the game.
Am I a better player than syllogism/Palmar/Radfield? Probably not. But I would not say I am bad either; in nearly all games where I was Town I have rooted out at least one scum and played a part in Town victories. I believe I am more than capable of contributing to Town and I know that I am Town; I do not know that about them.
In regards to Arctocod and Radfield, I would very strongly prefer Arctocod simply based on meta. Palmar's scum play is relatively disinterested and obvious and syllogism's consists of never posting anything. Radfield is a different story though, he twirled the Town around his fingers in LOTR Mafia, securing multiple mislynches and leading the Town by the nose. He would have led Mafia into a crushing victory had a third party not taken him out of the game during the night.
Having only two real candidates for mayor/pardoner makes me uneasy, but I even more dislike the half-assed mayoral campaign that promises activity and follows it up by being inactive. Can any player who has played with them (Curu/Erandorr) before give some insight as to how active they generally are as town versus scum? And to Curu/Erandorr, any particular reason for the lack of activity? And why did you run for mayor and then put no effort into it?
As for our two mayoral candidates, nothing about either of them really stands out to me so far as significantly leaning them toward being town or being scum, so I will be voting for Arctocod for now as I have read more games of Palmar's/Syllogism's than I have of Radfield, which will presumably allow me to determine their alignment more easily as time goes on. Arctocod has also been somewhat more active, and activity is certainly vital for our mayor/pardoner to have. Granted, both of them are going to get a position anyway, and the bodyguards are the more valuable part, so I think this will be the last I have to say on this subject unless somebody has a specific question.
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On December 13 2011 15:28 Arctocod wrote: Cascades: I don't think it's great and will be judging such situations on a case by case basis, even if Rad gets mayor. If such a scenario occurs and he disagrees with my opinion on the better lynch, I will be quite suspicious, however. It's also possible that there are other anonymous voters in the game besides just the mayor. I found this statement interesting. What makes you think there would be other double voters, especially anonymous ones?
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Err, forgot to tag, but in case it wasn't obvious, the above posts were all made by Harbinger. However, the mayoral vote was a joint decision.
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Just for the record, I will be letting the other half of the hydra decide our lynch vote for today. I mean, I do want to get him hooked on TL mafia, and I feel like he needs to be more involved for that to happen. Expect some posts from him regarding his lynch target of choice ^_^
/Harbinger
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On December 14 2011 02:52 Arctocod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:26 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Just for the record, I will be letting the other half of the hydra decide our lynch vote for today. I mean, I do want to get him hooked on TL mafia, and I feel like he needs to be more involved for that to happen. Expect some posts from him regarding his lynch target of choice ^_^
/Harbinger I don't quite understand the motivation for this post. If you are town, shouldn't you care who gets lynched today? Wouldn't you just discuss the lynch with your team mate instead of apparently just letting him decide? Why are you announcing it beforehand? Isn't the point of playing hydra to decide big decissions together? Seems to me he can be involved in this manner as well. /syllogism My point of playing as a hydra with him is to introduce him to forum mafia, not to have a second person to discuss reads with. If you have an issue with this, sorry, but that is how I will be playing this game. I'll certainly be answering any questions he has, but for the purposes of the lynch vote today (and quite possibly future votes as well), I will be acting in a coaching role rather than as a fully active player. Sure, I could involve him through discussions in person, but something tells me he'd basically just defer to whatever I decided since I have actually played before. Obviously I care who gets lynched, but I am also 0/2 on voting scum day one, so I figure he can't do any worse than I have in my previous games. As for announcing it beforehand, I just wanted to ensure maximum transparency in our actions.
/Harbinger
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On December 14 2011 03:06 risk.nuke wrote: Another one throws in a halfhearted vote on Zentor, let me fastforward and tell you where this ends this continues. Another handfull of people halfheartedly vote for Zentor. Zentor flips town. We don't have a clue who the real mafia is. We can't use the list people who voted for Zentor to find mafia because there won't be alot of mafia in there.
@Harbinger: I read: I might throw a stupid vote but it's because I let my newbie friend choose. I already addressed it above, but I fail to see how maximum transparency in our actions is bad for town. If me letting him decide things is really so offsetting to people, I would be more than happy to have him replace in for our hydra account.
/Harbinger
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On December 14 2011 03:26 risk.nuke wrote: @Harbinger: It's bad for town because you admit you're not playing optimal which would be disussing it with your hydra which infact serves even more to get him interested in the game while saying you leave your vote to your newbie friend could be convenient for a mafia to justify a vote Yes, I'm sure you know much better about how to get my longtime friend interested/involved in something than I do, what was I thinking. /sarcasm As I said, if people really have a problem with this, I offer the alternative of me stepping out and letting him replace in for our hydra.
/Harbinger
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Hey guys, my thoughts on the current lynch candidates:
MrZentor: wishy-washy. Appears to change his opinions easily and does little analysis on his own. For Example:
On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote: Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him.
On December 14 2011 05:45 MrZentor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Analyzing Sheth's posts
Now lets look at a quick timeline of stuff he's done:
1. Ran for mayor immediately after game starts
He's one of the first people to run for mayor but drops out rather quickly without challenging the other candidates. For a completely new player to immediately run for mayor practically right after game starts seems fishy. After Rad/Arc campaigns gain steam he drops out silently because he knows he has no way of winning.
2.
On December 12 2011 12:28 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Its very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia. This can be tough obviously. So I think its obvious we want someone who is willing to write a lot in order to be one of these.
Implying people who write a lot are not mafia? Terrible logic
Note that he writes big blocks to try to fit his own category.
3. Claims he hasn't read any past games On December 14 2011 05:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I have not zeks :[ I havn't had anytime sadly. I've looked at a small part of a few before this one, but I've been trying to filter people here, fix my computer and keep up on SC2 related things. Its pretty time consuming. Not to mention that I'm at my families house and should visit with them as well ><
Yet it seems fishy that he does know some stuff about past games... Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?"
Correct me if I'm wrong is sheepycat someone in a past game? There is no way to figure out if someone is "100%" mafia either. Oh percentages, how I hate sheepycat or w/e his name is for over using them on EVERY single read he ever had. And what do you mean theres only one way to get confirmed and that way kinda prevents people from getting elected afterwards? I honestly just don't know....
4. People have called me out for saying "my 6th sense says one hydra is scum" - and used that in a case against me.
What about Sheth? He's been doing the same thing! Except in multiple occasions! Don't see him getting called out [Excuse my selective quoting, if you filter him and read these comments and the context it was in, you'll see that it makes no difference that i quoted it this way]
I get the basic read from Redfield that hes clean though. Just from the imaginary tone I hear in my head.
Radfield hasn't said anything from his one post, so I kind of don't think he should be mayor based on that, but I really think hes townie. Just from a random gut read.
Radfields comments are again good. I'm getting like this pure read from him for now. Just seems legit.
This quote unsettles me too: And pointing out I'm trying to collect towncred is a good way for you to get some good towncred too. =)
5. Sheth posts a lot, but he's rather wishy washy in his opinions
Lynch - Prplhz - I've always gotten some weird vibes from him. Back when he said neither elected position is at all important and him saying he thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs. I think its just weird logic. I'm all for you attacking risk.nuke and looking at deus-ex above me, and I realize your not really on other peoples radar, but your definetly on mine. If you can change my mind I'll definetly change my vote, I'm just saying this now as I have to go. I'll be back to re-read this all over before actual Election time.
Lynch Prplhz based on "weird vibes"
Either Zeks or Zentor. They've both shown that even if there not mafia, there not going to be too helpful in finding real mafia and might just confuse us more.
Then says if given the power he'd lynch me or Zentor. After Arc pressures Sheth he backs off a bit:
Sure, will do. Just again notice I was asked just which player would you call down the thunder on right now if you could? So I just answered my two feels and a brief why. Who've I've been worried about the most is pretty much constantly changing with posts and as I go over and filter everyone.
It appears to me he's just playing along with whatever the flavor of the week is
Conclusion: If you take everything he says as truth then he's an innocent townie who's trying too hard. Otherwise he seems pretty scummy I hate to say this, but I agree with you. That was a pretty good analysis. Maybe you aren't mafia. :/
On December 14 2011 05:52 MrZentor wrote:+ Show Spoiler + That was a pretty bad analysis. One of the quotes isn't even Liquid`Sheth's and the conclusion is that either he's town or he's scum. Duh.
Other than that, zeks is just rehashing the obvious instead of trying to clarify why he thinks it is coming from a scum mind and not a town mind.
Before reading it, I thought that Sheth was just really excited for his new game, but now I am thinking he may be scum. Or that could be my new player ignorance not seeing the obvious scum, zeks. I don't know.
In addition, his lengthy post defending himself concluded with
Let me just reiterate: killing me would be a bad idea.
Which to me is, alluding to a blue-name. The only reason to allude to a blue-name without actually role-claiming is to draw emotional appeals from more easily swayed players and draw votes away.
In conclusion, based on MrZanders current wishy-washyness as well as relatively late allusion to a blue-name without an actual role-claim causes him to draw my vote.
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Oh, in case it wasn't obvious, previous post made by Not-Harbinger
/Friend
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My best guess would be this is some kind of scum power-role that made them (Arctocod) ineligible for office. Since my original candidate of choice is no longer eligible, I will be voting for Deus for pardoner as I think they are likely to be targeted early on, and I have more of a town leaning on them than I do on ProfessorBadass, whom I am still slightly suspicious of.
/Harbinger
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Ok, so I am caught up on the thread, but haven't started filtering people yet, with one exception. I am obviously fine with Arctocod/Giygas being elected today. Arcto, which position would you prefer? I will be voting for you unless some switches to Giygas are needed if you'd prefer to be Secretary of Defense.
If anyone has anything to ask of me, feel free, I will be going to bed shortly, but will answer them tomorrow. (I'll be more active tomorrow than I have been, I promise!)
On risk.nuke, in my experience playing with him he has been rather aggressive, but he is definitely being harsher in his attacks than normal, and more personal as well. I had a town leaning on him earlier (up until around the time he started running for pardoner), but have moved back to a null read on him with his more recent attacks, as he seems to be using less logic and more ad hominem attacks.
The saving grace for him in my eyes is his dislike of Greymist's play. I agree with him on this. I have played one other game with Greymist, and he was scum in that game. He seems to be playing quite similar to how he did in that game. In both games he asks a ton of questions to various people, only to land on whatever seems like a fairly easy lynch to pull off with minimal real analysis. He also tends to enjoy answering simple questions such as hours remaining in the day, votes required for lynch, etc. While certainly nice to do, it also gives you a way to seem like you are helping when you are in fact only providing information already available to everyone. His filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=120900¤tpage=All and from Steamship: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=120900¤tpage=All I'd be interested to hear input on this from anyone else with prior experience playing with him. Does he tend to do this as town as well? If he does, then obviously this case on him is significantly weakened, but regardless I have yet to see much out of him so far that makes me think he is likely to be town.
@Evantrees: Why in the hell did you vote for me for pardoner yesterday? I wasn't running, and hadn't been active in the game. You said you RNG'ed the 3 remaining hydra players, but I am confused as to why you did that. One hydra has openly admitted to not having seen or heard anything from the second player in the hydra, and the hydra I am a part of includes my friend who is playing his first game of mafia ever. How does this make either of those 2 'hydras' a better choice than any other player?
For those curious/for the sake of clarity: I will be doing most of the posting/decision making for this day, as my friend will be traveling for a portion of it.
/Harbinger
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On December 15 2011 17:19 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 12:21 ProfessorBadass wrote: Well shit, we only get one bodyguard right?
Elections should be obvious, make Arctocod the Surgeon General and GigyaS the Secretary of Defense. I'm growing a bit tired of this "vets should get the election things". What makes Arctocod town at the moment? Afaik, he got Eiii killed and no scum has been delivered so far. Anywhere in the thread where he ibecomes a confirmed town or made someone scumslip? He was forced to withdraw from the election day 1 that he was winning a role in, specifically one with a bodyguard protecting him from night kills. Scum has 3 kp, 2 died, Arctocod claimed being hit by the third shot. If nobody counter-claims then either scum withheld a kp and used one of their powers day 1 solely to get him town-cred...or he is actually town. Which seems more likely to you?
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On December 15 2011 17:30 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 17:19 Cwave wrote:On December 15 2011 12:21 ProfessorBadass wrote: Well shit, we only get one bodyguard right?
Elections should be obvious, make Arctocod the Surgeon General and GigyaS the Secretary of Defense. I'm growing a bit tired of this "vets should get the election things". What makes Arctocod town at the moment? Afaik, he got Eiii killed and no scum has been delivered so far. Anywhere in the thread where he ibecomes a confirmed town or made someone scumslip? He was forced to withdraw from the election day 1 that he was winning a role in, specifically one with a bodyguard protecting him from night kills. Scum has 3 kp, 2 died, Arctocod claimed being hit by the third shot. If nobody counter-claims then either scum withheld a kp and used one of their powers day 1 solely to get him town-cred...or he is actually town. Which seems more likely to you? /Harbinger, in case it wasn't obvious.
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Relevant part of post from earlier: + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2011 17:15 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:The saving grace for him in my eyes is his dislike of Greymist's play. I agree with him on this. I have played one other game with Greymist, and he was scum in that game. He seems to be playing quite similar to how he did in that game. In both games he asks a ton of questions to various people, only to land on whatever seems like a fairly easy lynch to pull off with minimal real analysis. He also tends to enjoy answering simple questions such as hours remaining in the day, votes required for lynch, etc. While certainly nice to do, it also gives you a way to seem like you are helping when you are in fact only providing information already available to everyone. His filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=120900¤tpage=Alland from Steamship: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=120900¤tpage=AllI'd be interested to hear input on this from anyone else with prior experience playing with him. Does he tend to do this as town as well? If he does, then obviously this case on him is significantly weakened, but regardless I have yet to see much out of him so far that makes me think he is likely to be town. /Harbinger Arctocod, I'm assuming at least one of your halves has played with Greymist when he was town before, does he normally play like this as town? In steamship, as scum, he was on the top two vote getters day 1 and day 2, here he already managed to get a vote in on every one of the top 3 vote getters on day 1. Also, as I'm sure most people are aware, some people are just easier to get lynched than others due to the way they play. Scum obviously love to push for lynches that they think will be easiest to pull off. Two of the people getting votes yesterday were Nisani and MrZentor.
So for now ##Unvote: MrZentor and ##Vote: Nisani201 until he can provide me reason not to. This is a quote from Greymist. From Steamship. Scum preying on the same players as he did in a previous game? Seems quite plausible to me.
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On December 16 2011 05:06 MrZentor wrote: I hope you guys realize I'm confirmed town now and, we should kill nuke. We confirmed your role, not your alignment. You are likely town, but far from confirmed. Your role seems pro-town, but Eii's role seemed more pro-scum than pro-town, and yet he was town. So clearly that is not enough to confirm anything. Also, with all the last minute vote-switching/the withdrawal of Arctocod day 1...why in the hell did you not extend that day?
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Switched my election vote to giygas, as Arctocod stated their preference for the second place role rather than the first place one. /Harbinger (been forgetting to do this some today >.>)
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