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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 06 2011 06:00 GMT
#24
Can I /in too? I'm playing in XLVIII atm but since it's school holidays for me I really am free pretty much 14-15 hours a day.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 12 2011 08:20 GMT
#267
Hello! Second game here, let's have a good game.

I have 2 questions for the veterans who are running; which I'll like them to answer.

1. How effectively can you scumhunt with the mayor/pardoner position as compared to as a regular townie?
2. If you were scum, how damaging would it be for town if you got the mayor/pardoner position, in your own opinion?

Lastly, comparing these two questions, do you think the benefits of you being in the mayor/pardoner position if you were town outweigh the cons if it turns out you get the position as mafia?

Sorry if I'm being incoherent, really tired right now.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 13 2011 01:49 GMT
#396
I think I would be voting for syllo/palmar here. They obviously have proven track records of being good town players so I think that having them elected would be a great help in directing town discussion. At the same time, I believe that the veterans know enough of how they play to be able to sniff them out if they actually are mafia (kind of a check&balance thing).
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 13 2011 02:34 GMT
#409
I'm not sure Rad. I think I might still be voting for arc, though the abscence of another strong role like the mayor/pardoner makes me want to vote you instead, because I would assume a scum hydra is harder to detect than you.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 13 2011 05:04 GMT
#426
On December 13 2011 03:08 Spaackle wrote:
For the lurkers in the thread, maybe a couple questions would get some activity:

1. What do you think of the No Pardon, No Exception rule?

2. Give your specific impressions of the campaigns so far, especially the major ones.

Remember, the more you get into the game you're playing, the more fun it is! :D


1. Definitely agree with this. As many people have already said, the pardoner role essentially negates a day, and wastes time for town. It is also because of this reason that whoever ends up the pardoner would probably be a good target to lynch if there's any doubt at all about his town-niness, especially when it gets closer to the endgame.

2. I think Radfield and syllomar are both town.

prplhz, you said this

I will be voting for the person who stays active, transparent and makes the most sense to me today, and I recommend everybody else does this too. I will not vote for anybody based on what they've done in other games, if you want my vote you need to perform now, not yesterday. There are probably people who are more likely to do this than others, but my mind is open.


but then you moved on, quite quickly, to vote for palmar/syllo instead, here.

Actually screw that, I'll likely vote for Arctocod unless I get major scum vibe from them. I think that they combined are easily the best scum hunters in this game so I don't want them dead. I'll advise everybody else to vote for them too, I'd like to see Radfield/ProfessorBadass as Pardoner though. I don't really know about GreYMisT, he's supposedly good but I don't think I've ever seen him in action.


what prompted this?

Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 14 2011 02:12 GMT
#770
Oh wow, sorry I thought the day ends in 2 hours like in XLVIII, was trying to reread the thread. Will skim through and vote I guess.

And yes, why do you think I'm mafia rad?
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 14 2011 02:22 GMT
#787
@Sheth

Because I admittedly have been lurking; some family stuff happened, so I haven't been free yesterday. And it's morning over here, I just woke up. I'll be happy to contribute more or answer any questions you may have though. Right now, I'm skimming the thread and trying to find a vote, and for now I think I'll be sheeping Arctocod.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 14 2011 02:59 GMT
#868
Skimming through the thread I would give a town read to prplhz, Radfield and Greymist.

Also, the major scumread I have is evantrees, and specifically, this post by him

On December 14 2011 10:11 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +


The cause of Arctocod's withdraw will not be revealed



Kidnapped!

Debating on voting for ProfessorBadass but there is this post...
On December 12 2011 14:44 ProfessorBadass wrote:
Well first thing's first:

Palmar is scum.

Palmar and I have a long history of never rolling the same alignment. Since I am Town this game Palmar must indeed be scum.

Also I am running for Mayor.


and for now for lynch, for fun?
##Vote Nisani201


This seems really scummy to me; especially the last sentence. Is he implying that the lynch is for fun? I'll be voting for evantrees too.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 14 2011 03:00 GMT
#872
O ractually, nevermind, 5 pages updated since I last posted or something. Seems like everyone wants to stay on the spaackle wagon to get a lynch so I'm willing to do that as well.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 14 2011 03:01 GMT
#875
Also comprissent you formatted your vote wrongly.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 14 2011 03:08 GMT
#893
On December 14 2011 12:06 ProfessorBadass wrote:
Holy hell all the non-posters just flooded out to vote Spaackle.

wtf


Sorry, really didn't have time to do anything than a quick skim or two of the thread and I just decided to bandwagon him. I understand that this seems like a scummy thing to do but honestly with everyone pushing for a lynch I thought that getting on the bandwagon would be the most beneficial for town (see TL Mafia XLVIII for when no-lynches happen and screws town up lolol)
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 14 2011 03:12 GMT
#899
On December 14 2011 12:09 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 12:08 Refallen wrote:
On December 14 2011 12:06 ProfessorBadass wrote:
Holy hell all the non-posters just flooded out to vote Spaackle.

wtf


Sorry, really didn't have time to do anything than a quick skim or two of the thread and I just decided to bandwagon him. I understand that this seems like a scummy thing to do but honestly with everyone pushing for a lynch I thought that getting on the bandwagon would be the most beneficial for town (see TL Mafia XLVIII for when no-lynches happen and screws town up lolol)



Refallen there is no chance of a mislynch in this game. Whoever gets the most votes dies.


Oh okay, I didn't know that.

And sorry, I'll stop talking about the other game.

I realise I'm not exactly appearing the most pro-town now and I would like to remedy that. However, I find it hard to come up with original content, especially when I missed most of day 1 and thus could not get involved in the 20+ pages of discussion that happened then. It seems like whenever I think of something it has already been addressed in the thread.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 14 2011 04:40 GMT
#928
I really think we should take a closer look at evantrees.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 14 2011 06:29 GMT
#939
We can reasonably treat Artocod as town at this point. And since we have confirmation that Palmar didn't withdraw, what do we make of the fact that profbadass immediately stepped up for the pardoner post? Don't you think that this is the kind of exact ideal situation that mafia would have tried to brew, getting a mafia pardoner, when Artocod was forced to withdraw?
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 14 2011 06:32 GMT
#940
Also, I find it weird how both evantrees and the dues ex hydra used the term kidnap to describe palmers situation when it's not actually clear what took place.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 14 2011 14:44 GMT
#983
On December 14 2011 18:49 Cwave wrote:
Another weird event:

Refallen votes Spaackle outside of the vote deadline. But he also voted twice for Spaackle.
Refallen Vote Filter

Care to explain Refallen? Are you paying attention or did your scummy friends tell you to go for Spaackle and you forgot you had voted before?


Was speed reading through the thread and panicked I guess. Don't see how that makes me scum.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 15 2011 03:31 GMT
#1255
On December 15 2011 12:27 GiygaS wrote:
I guess this is really the only thing to decide, me or Arc as secretary/surgeon? To figure this out we should try and get an idea of what the fuck secretary will do... I'm guessing it's like Surgeon general but can assign a vig instead. Just my thoughts.


I think Arc should be the secretary, since the surgeon role is probably simpler, and we don't even know what the SoD does. Probably Arc would be experienced enough to do a better job of the SoD.

Also, now that prplhz is dead (and was clearly town in day 1 imo), what can we say about people who suspected him in day 1, which iirc included Sheth?
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 15 2011 03:46 GMT
#1259
On December 15 2011 03:22 zeks wrote:
DTs please review the lists for Spaackle lynch and ProfessorBA election vote


The idea that the list of those who had voted for ProfBA to be pardoner has to have some mafia in it is something I've seen more than one person espousing in the thread so I just want to say that I completely disagree with this line of thinking right now.

Firstly, as ProfBA has pointed out, he was the natural choice of pardoner after palmar/syllo votes were nulled. And he was even there at that time to immediately step up and say "I am the natural choice," something that I am sure many people agreed with. There is simply no reason for mafia to need to vote ProfBA to get him to office (note that I'm not actually saying that ProfBA is scum/town or anything, but just illustrating the fact that the idea that scum votes must be on ProfBA is false, since even if he was scum, the mafia didn't need to vote for him because of the lack of another viable candidate as well as ProfBA actively going for the pardoner role.) So no, if anything I think the Radfield list is more likely to contain scum.

What do you guys think?
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 16 2011 00:52 GMT
#1436
Jitsu, for the timing issue, look at where I live... I honestly just woke up. And my post timings are always around this timing because it's early morning over here.

Also, I am getting suspicious of Sheth.

+ Show Spoiler +
First off, I know this is nothing conclusive, but I'm really suprised Arcto / Rad ./ ProfBA the veterans didn't come up with this.

So, last night we had a few interesting things occur. One, was the "Town Vig shot" on Eiii. And then we had the 2 deaths announced at the end, where xsksc and prplhz were killed. Also, Arcto claims that there was a mafia shot on him and that he lived through it. Arctocod says "we were shot last night, amazing. So now we "Know" where the 3 KP of the mafia were used. As long as we assume Arctocod is town, which I do.

It was used on xsksc + prplhz + arcto. Makes sense right?! Wrong. Why would mafia waste a KP that come on, lets be honest shouldn't be used singly on Arcto. There are other options here that I've thought of. So let me discuss them.

If instead of this, one of xsksc / prplhz was killed by another vigilante and Arcto was double stacked and still saved. Which I find unlikely, but not impossible. Or a newbie medic, despite us yelling to save Arcto chose to save someone else and magically got it correct and Arcto is just lieing. Also pretty much impossible. With Arcto now claiming to be shot and no one else coming out with "I was shot at night" or no one else dead, we can assume he really was shot.

This has been pretty simple logic so far and not at all what I'm trying to get at. The major points I'm saying so far is that Mafia using 1 KP on Arctocod was a stupid move. Theres no way around it. One option of this stupid move was just that were dealing with "Newbie" mafia. I suppose some other options include that the ability to make Arctocod step down, took 1 KP is possible. However I think thats unlikely.

After thinking this all through last night I was thinking to myself what if the kill that Giygas / Arcto used was actually a mafia KP. I think theres a chance that Giygas is a "Mafia Vig" who is doing this simply for town cred. This leads to a whole new area of thought where you have to wonder how legitimate Arcto is and if Mafia had this whole situation planned out for a while. I don't really want to get in to that here. I want to go more into why I think this was a Mafia Vig Shot.

As we all know, last night Arctocod recieved a package, a letter asking who to hit with a "Letter bomb" I'm just calling it that because someone already did. It ended up killing Eiii a blue townie. This letter bomb wasn't used as a group town ability simply as a "Giygas / Arctocod" ability. And it was sent to Arctocod while they were looking at Eiii quite harshly I believe. This part I'm not completely sure of, but I think its possible Giygas could geuss that Arctocod wasn't pressuing a mafia at the time so he would get a good townie to kill.

This would explain the one thing that was bugging me while I slept. Why did Arctocod get a KP used on him? I think its possible Giygas's power did this. I can definetly see a power in this game like "Mafia Terrorist" Once per game you may exchance a Mafia KP for sending a private PM to one player and this player will appear to have been shot at night and saved and then sending a second private PM that will detonate killing chosen player". This is basically the power that Giygas used, minus the few things that make it mafia. This power would simply makes a Mafia player look like a legit town vigilante.

I think its definetly a possiblility, almost likely considering I think its either this or Mafia has no veterans and just chose to waste one hit on Arcto. This could have been watched and obviously was going to be protected so I can't even see newbies making this mistake. Or something else I haven't thought of yet.


Especially this post here. He makes a really convoluted case on Giygas here, a pretty much confirmed townie, and was pushing him several posts before that too. This was really weird to me, because Sheth seems to be from his previous postings a pretty logical player, so I find it suspicious he's trying to concoct a case on Giygas.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 16 2011 01:00 GMT
#1440
On December 16 2011 09:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I read Sheth's case as more townie paranoia than a scummy attempt to sow distrust and confusion. Your mileage may vary.


That might very well be true, as a mafia wouldn't probably try to push the confirmed townie and instead try to get someone more suspicious; good point, I forgot about that.
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