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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 03 2011 14:37 GMT
#23
/in
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 03 2011 23:06 GMT
#64
No one knows "all the roles" by heart because anything is possible in a closed setup; you can look at mafiascum wiki for a list of more traditional roles or one of the older PYP games to get an idea what kind of roles may be present here.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 23:26:13
December 03 2011 23:25 GMT
#72
If it's a mafia role you can just ask in this thread
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 09:46 GMT
#96
Hi Palmar, why haven't you posted yet? Pretty sure you are awake and around. What would you consider a balanced scum team with this roster?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 10:49 GMT
#101
Incog seemed to randomize teams in PYP:I, so I definitely wouldn't lynch based on perceived balance. As for setup balance, I don't think it's useful to speculate about it given how little information I've available and how little it actually matters in terms of how we should proceed. Either way, we will likely know the answer after n1.

I think towns have recently been doing better on the average than a d1 random lynch and considering the obvious downside that people will not have to justify their votes, it's a bad idea. Even if I didn't have a clue who is more likely to flip scum and who isn't, I will at the very least have town reads by the end of the day. If a player who I got a town read on happens to get RNGed, it would be pretty hard not to argue against the lynch. I would even go as far to state that I would rather mislynch day 1 due to scum diverting the lynch from one of their own than RNG and hit scum, but produce no information at all.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 13:04 GMT
#106
Our EU players at the very least should be awake by now and posted: Corrupt, Erandorr, prplhz, Toadesstern. I would like to note that you are required to post at least once every 24h cycle.

Based on nothing at all, who would you lynch?

Palmar why did you ask me a question you knew how I would respond to? Did that reveal anything useful?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 13:06 GMT
#107
On December 04 2011 21:59 hyshes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 21:26 Radfield wrote:
On December 04 2011 19:38 Palmar wrote:
Sup.

If we assume the hosts went with the most obvious way of balancing the game, two people out of this list are scum:

Radfield
Palmar
Jackal
sandroba
syllogism
redFF



I'm not sure if I agree with that list. I could easily see 1 of those 6 being scum, not two.

I would narrow it down further if you want to go that route:

Radfield
Palmar
sandroba
syllogism

1 of those 4 are scum.

However, I think that kind of thinking is at complete odds to proper play. Towns can be stacked and still implode(Caller. BC and Fishball in Closed Casket), and mafia can be stacked and still get washed out(Radfield, iGrok, Kitaman, GGQ, DocH, Cyber_Cheese in LOTR). If hosts are smart they will start true RNGing the set-up and seeing how things turn out.


So you guys don't exclude yourself from a 'possible scum list"?

Is this supposed to be a contribution? You can pretend everyone posted a list that didn't include their own name and then all those lists were assembled into one. Do you think not excluding your own name makes one more likely to be scum or not? More dishonest or more open?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 13:29 GMT
#112
On December 04 2011 22:22 sandroba wrote:
Hello everyone. I'll never agree to the random lynching, I think it's useless.
@Palmar You bring that up every game it seems, despite being argued against every time. How exactly is that helping? Do you really want to random lynch?

@Syllogism How come you are so active early game?

@Radfield Did I read your post wrong or did you dissagree with random lynching and proceeded to random vote?

Because I woke up and the thread was pretty much completely empty and dead? Unfortunately I do have to have material to work with and establish my innocence. What do you think my activity implies?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 13:32 GMT
#113
On December 04 2011 22:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 22:04 syllogism wrote:
Our EU players at the very least should be awake by now and posted: Corrupt, Erandorr, prplhz, Toadesstern. I would like to note that you are required to post at least once every 24h cycle.

Based on nothing at all, who would you lynch?

Palmar why did you ask me a question you knew how I would respond to? Did that reveal anything useful?


Because I knew what your answer would be, but I was unsure how it would be formulated.

Your chosen path was to to deny it decisively without trashing the idea. Which is interesting. You could've been much more careful or much more aggressive, you could have absolutely trashed the idea, or you could have carefully denied it.

I'm not sure how to read it though. What made you initiate a discussion with me? Normally you just call me annoying until you figure out if I'm town or scum. I mean, I have done the same thing with sandroba, but what factors control your choice of target (me) and your change in play?

You are European, likely awake and usually quite willing to start posting on your own. I don't recall ever calling you annoying, care to provide reference? I suppose the closest I can come up with is lotr where you weren't doing anything and I noted that.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 14:05 GMT
#119
Yes, that is my main concern when posting and even a day 1 priority. I can scum hunt just fine without posting.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 16:14 GMT
#157
"Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target. Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone.

A strong player surviving until day 3 is just one of the things that should be taken into account when determining his alignment. It doesn't automatically make him scum, but rather is something that depends on other circumstances; ie. who else has died and such.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 16:34 GMT
#160
I'm not really interested in debating this topic with you as my own opinion is very unlikely to change and I'm also quite against the notion of "wifom". The only medic in 47 that was "ridiculously on target" was sandroba and that is to be expected.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 17:06 GMT
#175
On December 05 2011 02:00 prplhz wrote:
@redFF

What motivation could there be for a townie to propose a no-lynch this early on day1 in a closed setup? Do you think TruthBringer is bad enough not to be able to figure this out himself?

Why do you think Palmar looks kinda scummy right now?

And what exactly is the scum motivation? Do you think they believe they can get us to nolynch by having TruthBringer propose it? Do you think they would realize what kind of reaction it would provoke?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 17:35 GMT
#184
To be fair, I directly asked him what would a balanced scum team be like. I'm more interested in the lie, or more generously a distortion or careless wording, he used in his attempt to attack me.

Also not liking how Sandroba popped in to ask a few relatively pointless questions and then disappeared without commenting anything. However, It's rather unlikely I will be advocating lynching either of them d1 and they do have quite a while to shape up anyway.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 20:59 GMT
#221
I noticed Jackal's tone as well, which in addition to what you said doesn't fit his typical tendency to just tunnel palmar.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 21:07 GMT
#226
If you think it's a blue game, why are you highlighting it? I think it can be interpreted in two ways, one of which being that he is green and "our" job is the job of every townie, that is to say lynching scum based on analysis rather than roles. That's what I thought when I read it anyway.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 21:07 GMT
#227
EBWOP: blue claim
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 21:57 GMT
#252
Eagerly waiting for you to "reread" palmar's 6 posts
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 22:39 GMT
#261
vaderseven: radfield is a very strong player and lynching him day 1 based on such a weak case would be ridiculous. You also did not understand what I meant when discussing strategy and related things, but I'm not going to elaborate as they are not particularly relevant. Random lynching is quite different than random voting and just a means for starting conversation. He did not suggest nolynch. Everything about your radfield notes is basically wrong
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 22:58 GMT
#268
He does not push for no lynch. Read his filter and you will discover he quotes me and agrees that no lynch is a bad idea. Even if he hadn't made that post I can guarantee you that he thinks that anyway and would not push for no lynch as scum. The post you are quoting is asking someone else's opinion on it as that's one way of extracting information; by having them voice their opinion on a potentially controversial subject.
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