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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 10:51 GMT
#387
On December 05 2011 11:55 Incognito wrote:
StimilantE has been replaced by supersoft. (Yeah, I made a mistake)

Also, although its been pretty decent so far this game, please try to consolidate your posts to avoid triple posting. Thanks!


Hello!

this game feels like vacation compared to xlvii.
brb
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 13:44 GMT
#415
On December 05 2011 21:46 sandroba wrote:
Okay so here it is:

Syllogism: Unless he found a new love for being mafia exactly this game, I'm pretty surre he is town. He could have opted to post waaaay less day1 and still I wouldn't suspect him, because that's usually how he operates. Instead he is getting this thread moving, posting a shitton and generating discussion.


So do you think it's superior to be passive as scum compared to actively organising the discussion?
I don't like your logic right there - I grant you that this assumption is widely spread among us TL-players - but it's wrong.
WBG for example is extremely active as scum and because of that a very good scumplayer. Syllo is smart enough to try a new style as scum.

On December 05 2011 21:46 sandroba wrote:
Jackal: I went over his day1 on xlvii and found his tone to be pretty simillar. Dunno what to make of him yet.


agree.



On December 05 2011 21:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok because of you guys saying there's so much useless people I just looked into people I thought might be useless and found truthbringer to be strange+ Show Spoiler +

On December 05 2011 01:57 TruthBringer wrote:
@prplhz

We don't have to do anything on the first day. Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something.

I admit that we have more data if we hang someone, because we can see that person's alignment and who voted for him and who voted elsewhere. But more data doesn't mean we are in a better position. If we hang a powerful blue, and the mafia isn't overrepresented in the vote to lynch him, that does us no good.

You seem to think that I can pick out scum just based on bad ideas, but some people are just not good players or come up with bad plans, how am I to know the difference? Like I said, I don't have the experience right now to make the distinction.

Also, there can be differences of opinion. You and I might both be good guys and honestly have different opinions on whether it is a good idea or bad idea to hang on the first day.


On December 05 2011 12:36 TruthBringer wrote:
Okay, prplhz "voted" for me in this thread. He never voted for me in the voting thread even though I reminded him to in this thread. (See page 9).

The way I see it is this . . . he leaves less evidence behind if he doesn't vote for me in the actual voting thread. The voting thread will end up being fairly short, easy to read through. Whereas this thread is already becoming a bear.

He was hoping to start a tidal wave against me and it didn't work out, and so he never actually voted for me in the voting thread. He doesn't want to come off as a frequent vote changer, etc. I think it is pretty scummy that he would so quickly vote for me in this thread, but not follow-up on it in the voting thread even after I reminded him to.


First of all, that's basicly everything he said so far.

Now on to what he said. Quote1:
He said that not doing a thing might be a good idea. Read: While people like radfield ar saying something along the lines "guys, a no-lynch is not the end of the world" TruthBringer looks like he wants us to chill and do nothing. Maybe Radfield is right, maybe a nolynch is not the worst thing that could happen to town but I sure as hell don't want it to happen, neither do I want an atmosphere of "let's just chill we don't have to do something right now".

More data is not always good? Well yeah if someone is bombing the thread and 3 pages in a row would be only posts from one guy, that probably would not help at all, but other than that I'd actually like to have a lot of data for several reasons.
First of all a lot of data means our reads are better because there's always strange things. As he said, some people are maybe new, some may just have another opionion about some topic, that doesen't necessarily mean they're scum. If I find someone saying something that is wrong in my opinion I'll call him out. If I find someone who is doing illogical stuff several times that's bad, if I find someone who's doing illogical stuff all the time I want him to hang. So more information gives us a better read because it tells me if that guy is consistent, no matter in which direction. If I get less posts from someone that means that both my reads could be wrong because makeing a single good or bad call isn't something special at all.
Also More data means more talk. If you tell people we don't need to talk mafia is not talking at all which means you're denieing them the chance to make mistakes.

Paragraph2.5 He's scared to hang a blue. Why is that? Sure I don't want to hang a blue but I guess those people can defend themselves if we're fosing them. Why even mentioning blues in the first place? It's not like we're less likely to lynch a blue because you said that.

His 3rd paragraph is kind of a nulltell. I mean that's basicly what mafia is about, figureing out if people did a mistake because they thought they're right or if they did it on purpose.

4th paragraph is another nulltell.

On to the second quote:
The quote itself is not strange. However he is contradicting everything he said in quote 1 here.


That post is completely empty. All you prove is that Truthbringer is a newbie. We already know that.
That's a horrible reasoning for voting someone!!!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 13:52 GMT
#416
toadesstern! Your damn posts are huge! I just wanted to read through your filter because I realized that you had your vote on Palmar before and I wanted to take a closer look, but I didn't expect these walls of text!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 14:09 GMT
#420
okay okay, I don't want to roll out the syllotopic unnecessary. I don't disagree with you on him, I just wanted to point that out. I expect him to be rather town than scum based on the content of his post and not on the number.

what do you think about toadesstern? - I got to filter Zephirdd and vaderseven. until i did that I'd like to hear your opinions on him.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 14:17 GMT
#424
On December 05 2011 23:16 Palmar wrote:
[big]FOR GLORY[/big



fail :D
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 14:32 GMT
#432
On December 05 2011 23:18 sandroba wrote:
@ss I don't think he is scum. If you go back to his previous game (xlvii) and filter him there you will notice the exact same trend of making huge posts and being very prolix when arguing something simple. Can you explain to me what exactly makes him suspicious to you?


1. His vote on a new player for no good reason
2. His vote on Palmar.
3. His big posts with no content.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 14:36 GMT
#434
On December 05 2011 09:40 vaderseven wrote:
More people should vote. Votes are the one thing that make you accountable to evidence and motives.

The lack of votes makes the conversation more abstract.


I like that post from vaderseven.

The rest looks pretty bad. Also his vote on that other guy I don't even know.
I don't like that votes on players who won't react to that vote anyway... You can vote these guys and justify your vote with the overdue reaction. It's something rather scum does than town...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 14:45 GMT
#438
yeah well. It's only disturbing if everyone votes the newbs if they post nonsense. Seriously.
If you call them out for this stuff, they only get paranoid and stop posting any more thoughts.
It's a lot easier to convict them if you ask them out about their thoughts on certain players.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 14:49 GMT
#441
In small games like this, where late voteswitches are possible if you realize that someone is town, these kind of players who don't react to questions and lurk are perfect alternative targets. Someone posted that before, a lynch of a bad townie with the possibility to flip red is always superior to the lynch of an active townie...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 14:55 GMT
#444
happy birthday.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 14:58 GMT
#446
toadesstern: "I doubt a town palmar would do such a thing."

don't doubt that. Townpalmar is very ambitious to win his games. Right now I don't see where this is going what he does.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 15:29 GMT
#457
On December 05 2011 01:36 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 00:57 TruthBringer wrote:
I don't like the idea of using a zodiac list. I feel like it can be used by the mafia to get townies to hang other townies.

I don't think we should lynch anyone on day 1, personally. I know mafia get kills at night, but blues also have powerful abilities at night.

People are saying 6/25 is high, but it is probably offset by the town having powerful blues or quite a few blues.

Also, I've been out of the TL mafia loop for awhile, so if it comes to day 1 lynching, I'll be completely worthless as I can't read any of you at all.


What do you want us to spend the rest of the day doing if you just want us to no-lynch? Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do our job? A town shouldn't depend on power roles, especially not in a closed setup. How do you want potential blues to direct their actions tonight? Do you want cops to claim day2? What about sanities? What if nobody claims day2, then we're back at day1 but with a couple of townies dead?

You are obviously not very dumb since you feel confident enough to post very concise opinions on zodiac lists and setup balance, but your no-lynch idea, I can't see how a townie could suggest such a thing.

Also, you proclaim your worthlessness lowering everybody's expectations of you. You can absolutely catch a scum even if you don't have any extensive meta with him/her (I think I just proved that). At the very least YOU CAN TRY, unless you don't want to but in that case you're scum and you can just die.

##Vote TruthBringer


this case is horrible aswell. I don't know Truthbringers background, but for example in SC2 battle.net mafia a nolynch day1 is pretty reasonable sometimes... It's a set-up issue. If we nolynch day1 scum has an advantage, because their nightpowers are superiour to ours. It's a lot harder for our few medics and our few detectives to hit the right person if we don't gather as much information as possible day1. In fact it's even worse to decide to no-lynch in the middle of the day since it stops every discussion.

Conclusion: There are two possibilities why someone posts such a bad plan for town:
1. He's scum and somehow he thinks there is a chance to convince the others to nolynch and he didn't talk to his scumbuddys about that - because they would have told him not to do that. That is highly unlikely!!!
2. Much more likely is the scenario that this guy is a townie who has no experience with our set-ups and maybe has different experiences if he has any.

A newbie player proposing bad plans is rathe town than scum!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 15:34 GMT
#460
On December 06 2011 00:33 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 00:22 redFF wrote:
On December 06 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote:
Syllogism - This game
"Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target. Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone.

Last Game (Town)
I think we shouldn't be lynching into presumably active veteran players on on day1, given the number of lurking new players that will likely be present.

Also is a ton more activity and aggressiveness out of Syllogism this game. Scummy


I don't see a contradiction in these posts, what point are you trying to make here?

Its not a direct contradiction.. just "feels" different.

Also,
Prplhz, Draz, and redFF were all mafia in the last game and are playing completely different this time around. So far they all come off as town to me.


prplhz maybe. But redFF?!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 16:16 GMT
#488
pfff why is everyone an awesome dayvig except me...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 16:23 GMT
#494
how many shots do you troll vigs have?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 16:25 GMT
#497
On December 06 2011 01:23 syllogism wrote:
If neither of you is lying, I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption that there aren't two town day vigs. Would you two agree?


i agree. but i dont think that they're all dayvigs.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 16:47 GMT
#512
no he doesnt. now shoot someone. if you hit scum, you live another day.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 16:53 GMT
#517
lol why soap? :-(

MVP right now... i highly doubt he's scum.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 17:06 GMT
#533
lol. what a game already.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 05 2011 17:12 GMT
#542
On December 06 2011 02:08 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 01:47 supersoft wrote:
no he doesnt. now shoot someone. if you hit scum, you live another day.

Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 01:53 supersoft wrote:
lol why soap? :-(

MVP right now... i highly doubt he's scum.

why didn't you specify who you thought he should shoot in your previous post?


i at least didnt expect him to shoot that fast.
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