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Mr. Wiggles
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If you could pick one player (Not yourself) to make mayor (decides day 1 lynch + a couple night's worth of protection), who would it be and why? I would personally pick MZ. He's level headed, and a decent scum-hunter, so I don't think he'd do anything crazy with a day 1 lynch, and the protection would come in handy with letting him live until later when he could scum-hunt more effectively. Back to you guys. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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On November 16 2011 06:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ...lol What you said had no value. I'll just let you know that. Scum like to say things that have no content because it doesn't force them to defend themselves. I'll let you know that as well. Calling you out on bullshit isn't scummy. Nice FoS bro, the heat getting to you already? @Mr. Wiggles and Palmar: I know you both are active on TL right now, get in here and post. I wasn't active. I'm home now, and before that I was just on at school for a half hour at lunch, so I posted something in hopes of there being discussion when I came home, discussion which up until a little while ago has been largely absent. The "let's lynch random player X" train wasn't exactly full of content when it was completely off-hand and based on nothing. On November 16 2011 04:12 Erandorr wrote: Or you could talk about the game. As in waht you are proposing that does not really help us but instead wastes a ton of time. Maybe MZ would make a great Mayor in general, but his only post was shit. Why not talk about what is already there and how do you think your suggestion could help in any way? In my opinion it does not get anything going because it in no way puts pressure on Scum or forces them to reveal information Turned around it also does not help establishing townies either. For example I respect Sandro a lot (because he helps me with my dwarf fortress ! ) and he is a good Scumhunter. But I could say he would make a great mayor if I was Town OR Scum because it is not related to this game and the alignments and you seem to ignore what people(in this case MZ) already did until now. At this point I actually just want to lynch the Lurker who produced the least amount of content at the end of this day. Anyone else like that Idea? Until recently, no one has really produced any actual content, in my eyes. We had 4 pages which were basically Palmar asking to lynch WBG before he'd even posted and then for RNGing the lynch and people telling him no. Neither of those even needed a response, they were just bad ideas with no discussion value besides giving people something to bash on. It's like when someone comes up with a bad plan for town and we spend 10 pages attacking it. Everyone can do it and it doesn't produce real content. Basically, I wanted something to read (which I got), and my post drew out a few reactions which I liked. Erandorr: He's trying hard to be GMarshal. He wants to lead the town along with generic advice and constant appeals to do what's best for town (activity, etc.). This can be seen by the quick reaction to my post, pointing out that it was useless and wouldn't generate good discussion. This is good in and of itself, but he's someone who has to be watched to see if he actually starts to give concrete information on other players in the game, or just continues to act as the "advising townie". Basically, whether he keeps up with the generic advice or starts to contribute concrete and strong analysis. Meapak_Ziphh: Here's our aggressive player. He jumped on my post a lot more forcefully than Erandorr did, before quickly moving on to Palmar, WBG, and then finally Hiro. I'm interested in seeing how he plays after Day 1, because right now he's just cycling through targets, and that could either be him as a townie trying to pressure and find scum, or as scum trying to elicit a response from a skittish townie or blue and take us to a mislynch. He needs to be watched for how he forms his analysis and what the content of it is. jaybrundage: Right now, he's being a sheep. That's either due to the fact that he's new, or because he's trying to blend in. He got called out early, and after that he's just sort of been going along with majority opinion. Case in point: On November 16 2011 04:12 Erandorr wrote: Or you could talk about the game. As in waht you are proposing that does not really help us but instead wastes a ton of time. Maybe MZ would make a great Mayor in general, but his only post was shit. Why not talk about what is already there and how do you think your suggestion could help in any way? In my opinion it does not get anything going because it in no way puts pressure on Scum or forces them to reveal information Turned around it also does not help establishing townies either. For example I respect Sandro a lot (because he helps me with my dwarf fortress ! ) and he is a good Scumhunter. But I could say he would make a great mayor if I was Town OR Scum because it is not related to this game and the alignments and you seem to ignore what people(in this case MZ) already did until now. At this point I actually just want to lynch the Lurker who produced the least amount of content at the end of this day. Anyone else like that Idea? On November 16 2011 05:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also WBG, it's time to show your ugly mug in here. On November 16 2011 06:30 jaybrundage wrote: Honestly I do have to agree that the only Mr.Wiggles post seems very off topic. He says its going slowly and then decides to start a discussion that is pretty irrelevant. Did you have any point in this pick a mayor thing, and if so what? I also am rather dismayed that WBG hasn't posted yet. Also this in regards to lynching wbg TO this is quite worrying. Although i do see the point of this post not completely irrelevant just establishing some guidelines which maybe obvious to some but always good to have a reminder imo. AND I STILL WANT WBG TO POST especially seeing as he was the first topic of discussion Something to be aware of as we approach LYLO. Wherebugsgo: This is interesting, because he comes in rather later than everyone else and puts effort into attacking my post after most people had left it. It's a case of people jumping on a bad post and repeating what had already been said, because bashing something bad is easy and gets you brownie-points from town. It was mostly left alone until he brought it up again, so I'm curious as to why he did so. He didn't contribute anything that hadn't been said already, so what's the motivation? I mostly see bad players and scum do this, and I don't consider WBG to be a bad player. So, my post got me some information that I consider valuable and more information on certain players than the rest of the thread did before that (besides maybe Hiro). Too bad no one was really dumb and actually responded to my question though, because most townies here are smart enough to know not to and it would have been an easy scum-tell. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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On November 16 2011 16:58 prplhz wrote: @Meapak_Ziphh What happened in between this post and this post that made you think that hiro protagonist was any more mafia, so much more that he suddenly deserved your vote? Why didn't you vote him in the first of those posts? @Mr. Wiggles This really rubs me the wrong way. "Too bad no one was really dumb", are you trying to catch dumb people? "Most townies here are smart enough to know not to [answer your question]" why are you trying to catch dumb townies with your question and not scum? I don't understand this at all, please explain. Why are you trying to pose as "catching" scum with gimmicky shit like this, when you acknowledge yourself that it will most likely just "catch" dumb townies? @sandroba, Palmar lol™ Not to catch dumb townies, just to catch dumb scum who'd be happy to answer the question and look like they're "contributing", but that's not the only thing though. My post generated information for me, and a lot more information than "I'm going to vote for random player X" ever would. It was a catalyst to get people talking. Sure, it didn't catch dumb scum, but it told me about other people by how they reacted to it. On November 16 2011 19:46 Palmar wrote: Wiggles is one of the people that look pretty scummy to me. His idea for creating discussion bears some resemblance (not materially, just the mindset it seems to be created in) to his EA plan in Cosmic Horror mafia. His posts are carefully constructed and notice that when he gives us his reads he doesn't actually put anyone up against the wall. It's all "we need to keep this in mind" or "x needs to be watched". Of particular interest is his piece on Wherebugsgo: This is one of the weakest accusations I have ever seen, it's almost as if he's really not trying to step on any toes, while spreading around a ton of mistrust by detracting players. He has also conveniently completely skipped me and you, which is of particular interest because we've played so many games with him that I would think he'd look at our performance early. I guess he can hide behind our lack of content. But yeah, I would be fine with lynching Wiggles today. I skipped you two, because I was talking about the people who posted reactions to my first post. You two weren't part of that. Also, my post was to look at how people were playing. None of them (Besides WBG a little) were acting overtly scummy, but they were acting in a way that seemed townie but had to be followed through with correctly in order to not just be scum trying to slip by. Take Erandor and Meapak_Ziphh right now. Erandorr was posting generic "townie advice", that is ok, but needs to be backed by actual analysis and thoughts on other players. So far, he hasn't really done that, besides defending hiro from WBG (Even though he thinks he's scummy, wth?). He's not actually giving us concrete information. You can't call someone town based on generic advice, even though he's stated that's his goal for the early game, to establish himself as town. This is exactly what I said he'd do as scum, because it's easy to post about being pro-town, and not easy to come up with good analysis. Meapak_Ziphh on the other hand, has shown that he's definitely scummy. He was trying to play the hyper-aggressive townie, but he hasn't played his role quite well enough. Notice that he makes aggressive moves towards multiple players in a short period of time, before settling on hiro. This is enough to establish himself as "scumhunting", but then he never follows up. There's barely any additional pressure on hiro after his vote, he doesn't try to convince anyone else in the town to vote for hiro, he doesn't respond to what I said about him, and he basically disappears from the thread. This is incredibly scummy, and contrary to everything a townie should be doing after early aggression. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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On November 17 2011 06:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So Wiggles, please show me where I "make multiple aggressive moves towards people before settling on hiro." Your whole little case against me is essentially a rehash of what hiro wrote. It was bad when hiro wrote it and it's bad now. Still, I don't think Wiggles is the best lynch for today. The case against Wiggles started when sandroba decided to start playing the game. Palmar jumped on board and those two got things started. Now the case isn't completely baseless. I've seen Wiggles play third party and scum and his current play does smell suspiciously like that. However I'd rather lynch hiro, who's scummy behavior has only increased since last time I brought him up. Notice that since the case against Wiggles was brought up, hiro has posted ZERO times. This is a huge scumtell in that once the pressure's off he goes back to lurking. A townie would still be contributing, however a mafia would want to get out of the discussion as soon as the pressure is off. Sure thing. I'll leave out the hiro stuff though, because that's apparent. + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2011 10:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Guys guys guys. Did I really just read palmar call for a lynch of a player who hasn't posted in the thread? And even worse, people are listening to him? -_- Are we stll pregame trolling? Call out Palmar On November 16 2011 04:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I guess this will be one of Palmar's off games then. Anyway, I'd feel good about lynching Wiggles right now. While it's true that the game has been slow there's still stuff to talk about. Wiggles decided to ignore the whole Palmar thing and told everyone to sit back and talk about completely irelevant things for no appparent purpose. Also I'd feel grand lynching hiro. This post is so unbelievable worthless that my mind has a hard time comprehending it. This is like a textbook example of contributing without contributing and fluff posting. The part in red had me laughing it was so hypocritical. Call out Palmar again. Threaten me with a lynch, and act aggressively towards Hiro some more. On November 16 2011 05:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also WBG, it's time to show your ugly mug in here. Call out WBG. On November 16 2011 06:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ...lol What you said had no value. I'll just let you know that. Scum like to say things that have no content because it doesn't force them to defend themselves. I'll let you know that as well. Calling you out on bullshit isn't scummy. Nice FoS bro, the heat getting to you already? @Mr. Wiggles and Palmar: I know you both are active on TL right now, get in here and post. Call out me and Palmar again. Part of what to look at is not just that you're calling people out, but how you're doing it. It's not just saying that someone's inactive or that you think they're scummy, but taking a threatening tone towards them that makes it aggressive. I'm guessing this is what you're referring to when you say "Hiro's case" against you: On November 16 2011 06:42 hiro protagonist wrote: Hiro calls you out here for what he perceives as promoting " pointless tunneling and reckless arguing and spam, resulting in a mislynch and bad reads", and that's basically the thesis of his argument against you.Heres the thing Meapak, I was leading by example because I dont think that post is worthless. It would be worthless if that was my only post, or if it was made 2/3 into day 1, but thats not the case. perhaps we should agree to disagree ^_^ Heres my beef thou. You say that everyone is all ready against pointless argument and tunneling, but it happens in lots of games. I think it needs to be said because lots of towns have self imploded on day 1 with pointless tunneling and reckless arguing and spam, resulting in a mislynch and bad reads. I want to avoid it now, so I said something preemptive. To call me out and say Im scum because of that, As well as insinuate that what I said has no value, Is not townie thinking. Its scummy. FoS on Meapak. So, thanks for trying to misrepresent my argument which doesn't resemble what Hiro said at all; it just helps cement my read on you. I never said that you were scummy for acting aggressively like Hiro did, I said that you're scummy for how you acted after you were aggressive. Instead of continuing to aggressively pursue a lynch in the same way that you were calling out other players, you completely disappeared. This is scum calling out a bunch of people and making an early vote to look like he's contributing before dropping into the background. When a townie picks someone out as scum, his job is to convince the rest of the town that it's so, or after discussion with them, re-evaluate his opinion (i.e. if the entire town calls him an idiot he should maybe look at his analysis again). MZ doesn't do this. He acts aggressively towards Hiro, calls him mafia, and then doesn't follow through with trying to get him lynched. He heaps suspicion onto him, but doesn't actively pursue the lynch after actually calling him out in the thread. Perfect scum behaviour for looking like he's actively scum-hunting when really the early vote gives him an excuse to sit on his hands for the next ~28 hours. Either Hiro doesn't get lynched, and it looks like he was contributing, or he does, but he doesn't take heat for the mislynch because he wasn't actively pushing the lynch. (assuming MZ is mafia and thus pushed a townie). Also, he does a good job of not responding to anything that I said and just calling it "bad", that definitely addresses my concerns, lol. I'm also liking Erandorr less and less: On November 17 2011 07:26 Erandorr wrote: Okay I read Wiggles last post and am actually still completely fine with lynching him. Palmars surprise weirded me out a lot actually. He forced Wiggles into a position where he had to commit and then was surprised that he did exactly that? This feels a bit like he is distancing himself from that possible lynch already. Oh and Palmar is either playing his XLIV Town(cause that one works out great) or scum. I am very surprised he is not pushing the lynch harder, it is so unlike town palmer. Just sitting around while town derps themself is kinda like Scum palmar though. The thing with palmar is that he could be doing this as both Scum and town, which makes him very hard to read. Its possible that he is town and just provoking a ton of reactions with different accusations. His gameplay in this is once again completely focused around himself and not what is good for town in general. Thats what I hate about it and thats also what makes him so very hard to judge. I need to sleep now, gotta get up in 7 hours. Eurotime excuse! "Wiggles is suspicious of me? Better keep my vote on him then. Also, I think Palmar is acting like scum but also like not scum and here's a paragraph that says nothing. I'm also gonna AFK, ciao.". Everything he's saying so far is super non-committal and tells us nothing. Even notice how he's voting for me, but looking through the filter, I don't see once where he actually calls me scum. All I see is: "I would be okay with lynching Wiggles." "I think Wiggles is the best lynch right now." "Okay I read Wiggles last post and am actually still completely fine with lynching him." I think that's the most non-committal posting I've ever seen. He doesn't call me scum and he doesn't say I'm scummy, just that he's "okay" and "fine" with lynching me. He's floating along with what other people have said without committing strongly to his position. ##FoS: Erandorr | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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Next, Hiro, I did wait for MZ to post, and he didn't. There was no content, because he didn't form subsequent analysis, and instead started laying low. I was going to watch if he was going to actually push your lynch, or just keep pushing a bunch of other people. Instead, he disappeared which was scummy as well. He's still barely pushing you, even though he's saying he wants to lynch you. He's not doing anything to actually convince the town to vote for you, he's just saying "Go back and read", and that we should all change our votes. It's weak. You guys are going to end up mislynching me for nothing I can try to convince you against when there's a highly likely scum candidate standing right in front of us who I found through actually looking at his behaviour. Unbelievable. =/ | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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On November 17 2011 09:30 hiro protagonist wrote: Hmmm, I agree with you about MZ behavior Wiggles. But when you came back you FoSed Erandorr. Why did you not push harder on MZ if your sure he is scum? I am pushing him in every post I make, nearly. I think MZ is scum, but I'm suspicious of Erandorr as well, that's what the FoS is for and means. MZ is my main target, and after him I'm looking at Erandorr. Does anyone else see anything in what I'm saying? I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall most of the time | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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Can anyone even tell me why they're voting for me? (And if you say my first post I'm going to be mad at you) I want to convince you guys that I'm town, and I'm trying to get you to vote for scum (Meapak), but you aren't giving me anything to argue against to change your minds. This is stupid. -_- | ||
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On November 17 2011 10:14 Palmar wrote: You only chose to contribute to the game very late. Your initial plan for getting information, while not terrible, is something I would never expect someone as town to do, all you had to do was to build a case and run with it, but you chose the passive route over the active one. I don't agree with you at the moment about MZ, I do kinda share your thoughts about Errandor, but that's an issue for later. Your first post containing anything of value was only forced out of you after a wagon being established against you. Maybe you just had unfortunate timing, but nothing in that post did much to make me consider you being town. It wasn't forced out of me though, I was just being pressured so I posted what I was going to anyways in response to you guys. I posted during pretty much all the time periods I had available to me (Breakfast, Lunch, After school). Instead of forming a case around (what I believed) to be pretty bad information at that point, I decided to procure more information and go from there. It actually told me something useful about Meapak and Erandorr too, and I think it was a ton more valuable than the floundering from before. I couldn't draw anything from that. I feel like a lot of people are voting me just to avoid no-lynch, and because they're "fine with it", as they're not bothering to look at other people themselves. Besides me arguing against Meapak, and him pushing Hiro a little, this lynch is pretty much characterized by complacency.It's going over way too easily, and I don't get why no one sees this. | ||
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I need to stop making shitty first posts to promote "discussion". Really have to find a better way to jump into games if I'm not around when they start, haha. At least I did a decent job of not attaching myself to anyone too hard, or "clearing" anyone too hard. imo Also gratz to WBG, he played a very good game (Better than me lol). WBG #1 scum Wiggles #2 scum (Sandroba #3 scum??? :p) | ||
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Again, very good job. | ||
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