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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 23:06:53
November 07 2011 23:06 GMT
#69
##Signup
I'm down for this. :D
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 13 2011 01:13 GMT
#197
On November 13 2011 08:57 Zona wrote:
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On November 13 2011 08:27 GreYMisT wrote:
Out of curiosity, will there be a dead player's QT? I really enjoyed the one from LotR.

I can accommodate that. But it's best to try not to die early!

I'm a noob to this stuff, what's a QT? (for reference, my first game of mafia ever was at IPL)
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 13 2011 03:11 GMT
#203
On November 13 2011 10:24 GreYMisT wrote:
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On November 13 2011 10:13 Kibibit wrote:
On November 13 2011 08:57 Zona wrote:
On November 13 2011 08:27 GreYMisT wrote:
Out of curiosity, will there be a dead player's QT? I really enjoyed the one from LotR.

I can accommodate that. But it's best to try not to die early!

I'm a noob to this stuff, what's a QT? (for reference, my first game of mafia ever was at IPL)


QT stands for QuickTopic, its a message board that the mafia team, as well as observers and dead players, use to communicate

Thanks! :D
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#229
Now that I think about it seriously; I'm going to MLG providence, should I pull out?
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 15 2011 01:24 GMT
#235
On November 15 2011 08:27 Zona wrote:
What time period does MLG providence span? Will you not be able to post at all during that time?

Btw I'm frantically scrambling to get the bot working with TL (lol leave things to last minute) but the game WILL start today. The bot might not go live at 9pm when the game starts but it will be functional tonight.

Ehh, It's less that I'll have no access, and more I can't guarantee access. I can definitely mafia from my phone.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 15 2011 03:06 GMT
#250
Welp. Here we go.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 15 2011 03:59 GMT
#258
/confirm

As far as lurkers go, I'm more or less in agreement on the lynching.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 15 2011 12:44 GMT
#302
I'm semi-okay with LAL, but there's always the possibility of a newbie getting an important decision and fucking up, so I'd prefer that we at least pressure any liars before we get our nooses out on them.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 15 2011 16:12 GMT
#313
On November 16 2011 00:07 GreYMisT wrote:
If you are town just don't lie. It only serves to cause chaos when your lie is found as truth. While I dont nessesarily agree with LAL in all circumstances, you have to have a damn good reason for lying if you don't want to get lynched.

Yeah, but what I mean is that not everyone intends to lie. If it's blatant and obvious, I say lynch them immediately, I'm just saying not to overreact to any inconsistencies or the like.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 15 2011 20:12 GMT
#350
On November 16 2011 04:14 DCLXVI wrote:


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On November 15 2011 12:59 Kibibit wrote:
/confirm

As far as lurkers go, I'm more or less in agreement on the lynching.

what does this mean, you want to lynch inactive people - really? How many, how inactive, why do so? I won't accept you just "more or less agreeing" with people. That is not helpful and super scummy imo.

Now after some time has passed and more topics are brought up to discuss:

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On November 15 2011 21:44 Kibibit wrote:
I'm semi-okay with LAL, but there's always the possibility of a newbie getting an important decision and fucking up, so I'd prefer that we at least pressure any liars before we get our nooses out on them.

Once again a wishy washy agreement with the general consensus, but not actually taking a side. This is also allowing mafia get away with lying if we used it.


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On November 16 2011 01:12 Kibibit wrote:
On November 16 2011 00:07 GreYMisT wrote:
If you are town just don't lie. It only serves to cause chaos when your lie is found as truth. While I dont nessesarily agree with LAL in all circumstances, you have to have a damn good reason for lying if you don't want to get lynched.

Yeah, but what I mean is that not everyone intends to lie. If it's blatant and obvious, I say lynch them immediately, I'm just saying not to overreact to any inconsistencies or the like.

Once again you think that it is ok for townies to lie badly, we should cut them some slack? Why are you trying to allow scum to get away with occasional inconsistencies/small lies?

All Kibibit has done is to sort of agree with everyone, make excuses for potential liars, and lurk (after he says we should probably lynch lurkers.)

##Vote Kibibit

So you're seriously gonna call a vote simply because my opinions aren't aggressive enough? I'm pretty new to Mafia, but the one thing I've been taught, over and over, to the face, is that keeping quiet will get you lynched. But how's this.

I'm all for LAL at this point, I'm only retracting the "pressure on the smaller inconsistencies" because where do we draw the line?

I pretty much "sort of agree" with everyone as the handful or so of mafia games I've played have provided me with odd examples where the hyper-aggressive "lynch everyone on the first inkling of suspicion" is a bad idea.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 16 2011 13:00 GMT
#453
On November 16 2011 11:39 GreYMisT wrote:
WBG, you also said that we should lynch perferably 3 people today, but focus on only one target during the eairler portions. Don't you think its going to be difficult to decide when we have all decided to lynch someone, and then ignore everything they say while we work out who else to kill? While i feel the same that we should keep focused on one person per day, I think that it would better serve to keep the multi lynch in reserve unless we can all agree to use it.


I think it's perfectly plausible to take new information into account while we focus on another player. If the first guy we focus checks out (for the time being), he should be an active part of the next focus. I think the more intimately they have to be involved in the lynch process, the more chances the scum gets to fuck up. Any focus targets that go idle after their focus should be re-evaluated sometime before nightfall.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 21:11:33
November 16 2011 21:10 GMT
#551
On November 17 2011 05:33 chaoser wrote:
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Why did you claim green townie? You've seen what happend to Kenpachi after he claimed green townie. The two guys who have claimed green townie currently have the most votes. I can't see any benefit to saying you're a green townie day 1, its just bringing undeserved attention to your self.


Should ask yourself first. Why would mafia want undeserved attention? And what does mafia gain from saying they're townie outright in thread? What does a townie gain from claiming townie outright in the thread just as the game starts?

Ask yourself why are people saying the main reason they want to vote me/kenpachi for saying we're townie when it's a null tell?

I don't mind getting lynched, but I'd rather kenpachi doesn't. He's pretty underrated.

Sinani is a way better lynch.

If the mafia is playing super aggressively, which I've definitely seen more experienced players do, then it makes perfect sense to claim townie out of the gate. It's definitely tricky to lynch someone who you can't tell if they are just a mafia stirring the pot or just an eager townie. I may be wrong, but nothing you said there is too far out of line for mafia.

##vote: chaoser
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 16 2011 22:00 GMT
#595
On November 17 2011 06:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
@Kibibit, don't edit your posts, I know you only added the vote because I saw it, but if I hadn't it could have been anything.
be VERY careful about that. Quote yourself and double/triple post if you have to, but don't edit. ever.

I'm aware, I just did it so nonchalantly that I didn't catch myself. Won't happen again.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 16 2011 22:10 GMT
#607
On November 17 2011 06:56 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 06:10 Kibibit wrote:
On November 17 2011 05:33 chaoser wrote:
Why did you claim green townie? You've seen what happend to Kenpachi after he claimed green townie. The two guys who have claimed green townie currently have the most votes. I can't see any benefit to saying you're a green townie day 1, its just bringing undeserved attention to your self.


Should ask yourself first. Why would mafia want undeserved attention? And what does mafia gain from saying they're townie outright in thread? What does a townie gain from claiming townie outright in the thread just as the game starts?

Ask yourself why are people saying the main reason they want to vote me/kenpachi for saying we're townie when it's a null tell?

I don't mind getting lynched, but I'd rather kenpachi doesn't. He's pretty underrated.

Sinani is a way better lynch.

If the mafia is playing super aggressively, which I've definitely seen more experienced players do, then it makes perfect sense to claim townie out of the gate. It's definitely tricky to lynch someone who you can't tell if they are just a mafia stirring the pot or just an eager townie. I may be wrong, but nothing you said there is too far out of line for mafia.

##vote: chaoser


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It's definitely tricky to lynch someone who you can't tell if they are just a mafia stirring the pot or just an eager townie. I may be wrong, but nothing you said there is too far out of line for mafia.


So you agree it's a null tell? Nothing I said there is out of line for mafia but nothing I said there is out of lien for town either? If it's tricky to tell why are you voting to lynch me based solely around the fact that I claimed townie in thread?

Because you've been hyper-aggressive, almost nonsensically so. If it were simply to put pressure on lurkers or reasonably obvious scum, I'd probably lean towards not voting, but your actions so far feel less like you're trying to root out scum and more like you're banking on someone to slip up.

Of course, none of this is definitive proof, but it all came down to an internal decision; Are you experienced scum or a townie doing nothing more than kicking up a lot of dust for the sake of it? Neither seems too helpful to me. Thus the vote.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 17 2011 00:48 GMT
#776
Welp, Kenpachi's dead. I didn't suspect Lanaia, so I held back on the lynch. While I still don't like the vibe I'm getting from chaoser, he's been significantly more helpful once the pressure heaped on him.

##unvote: chaoser
For now. I'm still on a close watch, as you haven't strayed at all from a similar play style I've seen in the many hours of live games at IPL.

That said, he brings up a good point. Even if they turn out to be townie as fuck, I agree that we need to get at least SOMETHING out of Bum and Coag.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 17 2011 01:26 GMT
#820
On November 17 2011 10:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
##unvote chaoser
##vote Lemonwalrus

Reason:


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On November 17 2011 09:24 Lemonwalrus wrote:
On November 17 2011 09:22 chaoser wrote:
##vote bumatlarge

Reasoning please?

I've been toying with that vote since page 15 or so, but I'd like to hear why you did it.



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On November 17 2011 09:54 Lemonwalrus wrote:
##Vote: bumatlarge
Be the batman that this steamship deserves.


Sorry, but I can't let away with you calling out another player for an unreasoned vote and then pulling an unreasoned vote yourself.


That feels more like a vengeful vote than a reasonable one. If there's more to why Lemon's being particularly scummy, I'd like to hear it, but it feels a bit silly to vote just because he reneged on one of his callouts.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 17 2011 01:39 GMT
#829
On November 17 2011 10:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
please elaborate on why you think a self-contradiction doesn't constitute a reason to vote somebody.

Lemon wanted chaoser to provide reasons for voting, yet voted bumatlarge with no stated reason. Even now he deflects the question by saying he intended to vote that way before. That's fine, but that's not a reason. Intent and motivation are different things, and any person with the capability to understand the two definitions should know that.

Honestly, I started typing a response, but the more I think about it, the less strongly I hold that opinion. Still, the bit of clarification you put down makes it way better than the original "LOOK! Look at it! He's a hypocrite!".

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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 17 2011 01:40 GMT
#830
and by way better, I mean moderately better. Gotta keep my hyperbole down a bit.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 18 2011 00:05 GMT
#1003
I hate trying to analyze Day 1s as there's a lot of "that's what they want you to think" going on and few hard facts here (for me at least). That said, Nisani's rather pointed defense of chaoser makes me think that lynching one of them should be a solid litmus test on the other. However, I'd hold off on both, as from what I've seen, there's a bit of a circle going between Kenpachi, Nisani and chaoser. They've been, as a whole, highly defensive of one another and highly aggressive against anyone who has spoken out aganst them. I'll support lynching both of them depending on what Kenpachi flips, and even if he flips town, I'd kinda still keep my eye out. If nothing else, they seem to be the tightest knit group I've seen so far in this mafia.

If Kenpachi flips a blue role, though, shit (for me at least) is gonna get a lot more confusing.
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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
November 18 2011 01:00 GMT
#1024
Ditto, I'll be at MLG, so there will be some relative inactivity, though I can post from my phone.
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