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The weekend of the 11/12/13th I will be unavailable. Hopefully a set-up like this will be fairly forgiving though. If not then don't sign me up. | ||
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Sandro, how can you bail out of scum-hunting at this point in the day? + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2011 21:40 GMarshal wrote: @Kita Woo! Lets talk about the setup and our partners, which helps us find scum... how again? Yay! Relevance! Not Once again, why are we discussing the interactions inside the team? How does this help us locate scum or do anything of relevance? How does this lead to meaningful discussion? Once again, lets have a conversation about... teams? How is that helpful? Why is he obliging this tangent? This is the derailment I'm talking about, he has all these posts about worthless things, that want to go off topic for no apparent reason. I will admit, I like his last few posts a lot better though. I think you are being deliberatly daft here supersoft. Use your brain, why is Chezinu a great asset to a scum team? Because half the people don't even read his posts because they are nonsense. Smart scum could achieve a similar effect through atrocious use of spelling and grammar. As a rule townies want to be transparent, while scum want to muddle the waters. GMan, you don't get off that easy though. You built a case on Prp, then wibble-wobbled at the end of it. Your next post basically says the same thing: he might be scum, but he might not. Yet, you're vote remains squarely on Team Viking(Prp & Forumite). Do you think Team Viking is worthy of lynching right now? On November 03 2011 10:19 sandroba wrote: I don't really like your jailer usage GM. The chance of making a save or roleblocking a useful role is the same wether you "aim" it at scum or not. Only difference is that it saves a lot of trouble for scum in choosing their shots since they wouldn't bother shooting people that are considered scummy overall, since they are more easily pushed as a lynch. If there is a jailer he should definetely aim for a save as this makes things overall harder for scum. The chance of there being a doc or a jailer is 5/6, while having a doc is only 1/2. Having both aiming for a save is the best in making they choose non-optimal shots. I agree with this, but NOT for the reasons Sandro posted. The reason we can't use the jailkeeper offensively is because mafia can choose which team shoots, so they will automatically make the more pro-town team fire the gun. That means the shooter will basically never be roleblocked. | ||
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On November 04 2011 04:02 GMarshal wrote: I refuse to play follow the blue. That's how towns go to hell in a handbasket, when scum decide to fake claim. If we have blues great, but I'm going to work on the assumption that we have one blue who is going to get shot night 1, because that's the only way to make sure we stand a chance. Remember the more townies we lose, the easier it is for scum to control the lynch. Not to mention that the only real 'followable' blue we may have is a parity cop. No-lynching as policy only loses us townies, while gaining us potential parity cop nights. | ||
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Q: Can a Jailor roleblock a mafia hit? A: Yes, one mafia (can be either one) is designated as the killer, if that guy gets jailed, he won't be able to perform the kill. I thought this meant that mafia could designate the killer, but it could just mean that one team specifically get RNGed as the shooter. | ||
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I'll preface this by stating that in the absence of any scummy players/teams, no lynch is a fine move, and isn't the end of the world. However, playing for a no-lynch, and advocating a no-lynch is bad play. Likewise lynching for the sake of lynching is a bad play. A no-lynch has several positive outcomes for town: 1. Possibly buys more time for the parity cop. 2. Gives an additional 72 hours of discussion before town has to use a lynch. Avoiding a potential mislynch on Day 1. However neither of these benefits are particularly good. Parity Cop is already a weak role, and is even weaker in this set-up. Parity Cop has to survive two lynches and two nightkills to have any useful info, and chances are that info will only be confirming a single townie. Additionally, If the Parity Cop is ever targetted by the jailkeeper(unlikely but possible), it basically becomes a useless role. Town always does much better on day 2 than day 1, because they have heaps more information. The general idea is that by delaying our lynch until day 2, we get the additional info, without the risk of a mislynch on Day 1. However this is a flawed idea. The reason town has so much additional info on Day 2 is because scum are forced to take sides on day 1, and feign scum-hunting. Any decent mafia player can blend in with a no-lynch wagon, precisely because a no-lynch is often an absence of opinion "hmm, everyone seems town to me". The key to a valuable day 1 is getting everyone scumhunting, or feigning scumhunting. Forcing mafia out in to the open, as opposed to creating an atmosphere where weak opinions reign. If a no-lynch happens because we can't find consensus, then so be it, it probably means we didn't have any good candidates. But actively planning for a no-lynch creates an extremely pro-scum atmosphere. | ||
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At some point presumably you will have time today, yes? Who do you think is the best target for the lynch? Do you still think no-lynch is the best option? If you think we should no-lynch, which teams do you think are likely town. We need to consolidate our votes at this point. Sandro + Decon: Anyone voting for Sandro+Sevyrn needs to reaffirm that they still think this is the best lynch. I don't think it' a terrible lynch, as Sandro is rubbing me the wrong way. However, he is a solid player and I'm confident he will either start to make sense or start to look very red. Kurumi + RoL: Lurker Lynch. Kurumi has used a lot of words and very little content, while RoL has used no words at all.. I'm not sure why you are playing the upset card here though Kurumi. What you posted was fairly generic, despite whether you are trying to be helpful or not. Also, RoL's actions DO reflect on you, whether you like it or not, just like Bugs reflects on me, and so on. It's not your fault, but it's something you have to accept. On November 03 2011 09:55 iGrok wrote: I did post yet. I've been talking with my partner so far. You know me, all I ever do is lurk the first half of D1. I'll break this wide open end of D1 or N1, don't worry iGrok, it's now the second have of day 2, so it's time for you to break things out. I'll admit that I'm mildly skeptical of you actually discussing much with your partner considering the circumstances, but that's neither here nor there. I assume you have plenty to contribute to the lynch discussion at this point. Chaoser and Hyshes: A good lynch target at this point, though I'm willing to be swayed. Hyshes: I do not think Hyshes is scummy because he came into the thread and proposed a bad plan. In fact, that is NOT what happened. Hyshes did not propose any plan at all, because his 'plan' was obviously impossible long before he brought it up. Yet this did not stop him from speaking at length about it. Does this make him scum? Of course not, but certain people here feel that proposing bad plans is a townie trait(certainly not always true) but that is most emphatically NOT what happened. Since then he has contributed nothing to the lynch discussion, and has played the newbie card several times. Chaoser: I fully agree with his views regarding posting logs. The game of Mafia should be played as Mafia. That being said I also recognize how supersofts plan was abusive to town. Town players generally do not react angrily to abusive pro-town plans(see PYPI where everyone who was really upset about Jimbo smurfing IRC was scum). However, I'm willing to write that off as a null-tell at best. What I am NOT willing to write off as a null tell is the fact that Chaoser has almost no contribution outside of his own defense. In PYPI Chaoser came alive with posts to defend himself and very little else(as scum). He is doing a similar thing here, as well as giving himself excuses for future inactivity(advisory capacity). To be perfectly clear Chaoser, I do not think you are scum because you are defending yourself, simply because you are only defending yourself. What are your reads Chaoser, who is scum, who is town, who should we lynch today. Show me that I'm wrong.... dazzle me... | ||
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On November 04 2011 22:50 kitaman27 wrote: What are your thoughts on the GM/Crofty duo, Radfield? Some things about GM look off, and others look good. He is very active though so his play should sort itself out one way or the other. I do not think he is on the table for today. On November 04 2011 22:59 Forumite wrote: The only thing Kurumi and RoL have shown me with their latest posts is that they are reading the thread without posting. I don´t have much time before I need to leave so any contribution from them need to be right now. I will also not be around for the deadline, but I hope WBG will be(though I'm not sure). I will check from work if I can. If there are any other teams that will not be around tonight we need to know. | ||
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and yes, lol at asking who the cop is checking Unless there is a counter claim, we're not lynching kita/red. With a 50% chance of the cop being in the game, it's a ballsy claim, and done earlier in the day than a desperate scum move typically would(unless you're iGrok). If you are the Parity Cop, and kita/red are lying, you absolutely need to claim. It is by far the most info a parity cop will net us. That leaves us a whole slew of teams on the table. I think Team Edward is still by far our best bet. Team Switzerland is a good bet at this point as well(Bum&iGrok), but I don't think adding another team to the mix is the best play right now. Likewise Team Nipple. Team SS is best left for another day in my eyes. | ||
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Parity Cop(Kita and Red presumably): You guys need to check someone scummy who you think you can get lynched tomorrow, or check someone you think is likely to get hit tonight. Either way, ideally you're target dies by day 3. Medic should be protecting Kita. This ensures he gets off 1 or 2 parity checks. This is an ideal set-up. Jailkeeper needs to decide for themselves. Protecting Kita basically turns this into a 7 VT set-up, unless mafia gamble and try to shoot the cop which is possible. Offensively roleblocking the nightkill is also viable, as is protecting a player likely to be hit. Either way, a protection or block gives us the same result. | ||
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On November 06 2011 13:07 chaoser wrote: Shitty logic, radfield being very inactive and being alive are all part of it. If I was mafia why would I kill igrok/bum? I would kill you and radfield. Man, it used to be if I was alive Day 3 people got suspicious.... I've been feeling like shit Chaoser, and working every evening, just like I'm going to work tonight as well. However, I'm starting to feel up so I should hopefully be back in full force tomorrow. Fortunately my partner has been more than active enough for both of us. Also, I challenge you to find a game where I was scum and posted this little. I'll help you out, it doesn't exist. There are reasons for my inactivity, but being scum is not one of them. If you think me and bugs are scum, do the work and build a case against us. On November 06 2011 14:25 chaoser wrote: The fact that you're still pushing for my lynch and voting for me says you think it makes sense that I shot iGrok/Bum. The fact of the matter is that it makes NO SENSE and that if you were actually townie you'd have noticed that and you would be reconsidering right now. You cannot use the nightkill as hard evidence you are town Chaoser. You should know this. You also keep stating that mafia would have just coasted to a no-lynch, but that is simply not the case. A lynch is more beneficial to mafia because it means a save doesn't extend the day. ___________ I think Chaoser and Hyshes are scum. This should be apparent. If people want another wall of text to add to bugs, I will deliver, but for now it should do. For emphasis: ##Vote: Team EDWARD On November 06 2011 14:54 sandroba wrote: It's indeed suspicious that wbg/rad didn't get shot tonight, but honestly they have not been on my radar before the day shift. This is bullshit Sandro, and you should know it. It is not remotely suspicious that me and bugs are not dead after a single night kill. Day 3 maybe, Day 4 sure, but not after a single KP. Me and bugs were originally the only team composed of two very active experienced players. That makes us both a target for KP and protection, and that should be obvious. However, there exist two teams just below that threshold: Sandro+Decon, and iGrok + Bum. The fact that iGrok and Bum got hit is not remotely surprising, especially after Bum showed he was playing the game. Sandro, other than the team that has done nothing all game, who is the best lynch. You can say you're happy lynching a team that doesn't care about the game, but I would much rather hit scum today(though I freely admit Nipple may very well be scum). On November 06 2011 06:24 sandroba wrote: Just throwing this out there: I belive mafia is amongst team nipple/edward/switzerland. All the other teams look town to me. Since Switzerland is dead, and Nipple is useless, does that mean you are willing to lynch Edward today? Supersoft and Greymist, you guys need to ramp it up. | ||
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On November 05 2011 07:15 deconduo wrote: Oh and if Viking flip scum then I'm pretty sure team Chezinu is the last mafia. On November 06 2011 22:23 deconduo wrote: I said to myself before the day flip that if Chezinu or Liquid weren't killed, then there's a massive chance Chezinu is mafia. . On November 07 2011 05:49 deconduo wrote: Thats what I though initially, but now I'm leaning towards Chezinu+Nipple. On November 07 2011 21:09 deconduo wrote: Team Chezinu has to die today, if they don't this game is lost. I've got an idea, instead of you and Sandro spouting how we are scum over and over, you sit down and tell me WHY we are scum. If you're argument boils down to me having low activity, bugs being hyper-aggressive and both of us being alive, then you need to drop this right now. On November 07 2011 04:16 sandroba wrote: You are pushing scum agenda since you are voting whoever is suspicious of you, and not looking at the big picture of who is saying things with scum mentality (which is you). This is patently not true. We have voted Edward, and we have voted you. We discussed your team being scummy long before Bugs voted you, and I'm fine at this point leaving the vote there as you have done nothing to dissuade my initial suspicions. There also doesn't seem to be much broad support lynching Chaoser/Hyshes, though they certainly have not faded off my radar. You guys have been flailing all game Sandro and are guilty of your own accusation: No-lynch -> Red/Kita -> Viking vote -> OMGUS Chezinu vote. This does not alone make you scum, but combined with: *Continual refusal to explain your reasoning * Deliberate twisting of events *Using night-kills to find people suspicious + spending paragraphs discussing scum motives *Making no effort to find scum Day 1 *flip-flopping your views on us based on Bugs voting you ##Vote: Team SS | ||
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On November 08 2011 01:41 GMarshal wrote: I have no fucking idea who to kill right now, as I said I *really* don't want team nipple with me on day 3/lylo, but I'd hate to lynch town again, the thing is, we have no way figuring out their alignment from their actions so far. I fully agree with this, but lynching Nipple is worthwhile mainly if we have an absence of other targets. We have other excellent targets right now, so there is no reason to vote their way. One of two things will happen by tomorrow, they will have either stepped it up and contributed, or gone even further down the path of lurk. Kurumi, I swear you are deliberately making your posts hard to read, please improve your formatting. + Show Spoiler + On November 08 2011 01:07 GreYMisT wrote: I dont think that WBG/Radfield are scum atm. I had a dream last night that you fell into a volcano to prove your townieness, but then died and flipped scum theif, but again I'm not sure if thats basis for real analysis. So awesome I would jump into a volcano for all of you guys | ||
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The reason red and kita are holding back the check is because they probably have a red and a green result on two players alive and want to see how they play it out. Either that or they ACTUALLY have a green check on GM.... -_- That seems absurdly unlikely though, so lets break it down: Sure lurky mclurky team Nipple needs to step up their game, but knowing RoL's scum style I'm tempted to believe he is legitimately occupied, rather than deliberately lurking. Also, I kind of want to kill team nipple so we don't have to deal with them tomorrow, when it might be lylo. I mean I was going to analyze them, but between the both of them they have *maybe* 20 posts, most of which don't accuse anyone or *do* anything. That said, I'm not entirely sure that they are scum, it would be a lot easier to figure out if they posted more!. T.T I have no fucking idea who to kill right now, as I said I *really* don't want team nipple with me on day 3/lylo, but I'd hate to lynch town again, the thing is, we have no way figuring out their alignment from their actions so far. These are GM's relevant points concerning team Nipple. All softly attacking or straight up backing off. Continually pointing out they are scummy, but never worth a lynch. Contrast this to his relationship with S&G I want to hear what other people think of the case, especially supersoft, who I have my eye Also, has anyone noticed that supersoft and greymist haven't been doing much? I saw it, what I haven't been seeing you actually pushing your ideas very hard. Not to mention that GM has been conversing with Supersoft extensively this game, and I doubt it is manufactured. Unlikely in my eyes that GM and S&G are scumbuddies. Far more likely RoL/Kurumi are the last scum. Has anyone actually re-read Kurumi's filter? I admit that I've done the same thing this game that I did in the first PYPI; skim read Kurumi's posts. The short version looks like this: * Make an outrageously bad plan * Call GM a for sure townie * Call the parity cop claim bullshit, then proceed to talk all about it as if it is true * Vote Team Viking * posts like this:+ Show Spoiler + I agree with that post. Everything here seems reasonable. Anyway, I am quite puzzled right now. I was really thinking that Team Viking was scum Re-reading thread once again so I might have something good to bring up when the day comes. Besides that, I am almost sure one of the teams voting on Team Viking was scum. * Deliberately difficult to read posts * Votes Team SS He also defends me and bugs like 5 times, and never mentions GM again. RoL and Kurumi are far far more likely to be the last scum than S&G. Thoughts? | ||
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On November 09 2011 11:31 redFF wrote: WHERE YA BEEN RAD Dead, then alive, then dead again. Working at all times in between. Thankfully this is a partner game, and I can get away without feeling absurdly guilty Now I'm going to bed. On the bright side, I feel like a real person again, so I will actually be around from here on out. On the downside the game is basically over at this point so the likelihood of me garnering an LVP award is fairly high  On November 09 2011 11:35 kitaman27 wrote: Rad, what is your opinion on the GM medic claim? Do you agree that he was trying to trick us into checking him causing a day 3 mislynch? Claiming does 1 of 3 things. Buys unconditional town cred if there is no counter claim. Outs a medic if it exists in a 1 for 1 trade(keeping in mind that a medic + confirmed parity cop is a GG situation for mafia). Worst case is a jailkeeper counterclaims, but this means you claimed first, and simply have to out argue that team at lylo. 2 out of 3 options are good, with one netting you almost an instant win. Even a jailkeeper isn't too bad since if they counter claim before night is up you hit the parity cop(stopping their check) or you hit the jailkeeper and ensure that you keep getting kills. | ||
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Ironic that Kita/Red know nothing when you guys are the ones pulling the trigger today, whereas everyone else knows who at least one scum is(or knows they've been caught by 1 team). ##Vote S&G Consulting I'll admit that I thought S&G were town, though looking through their filter is remarkably underwhelming. On November 09 2011 20:24 supersoft wrote: its not up to you to decide whats the best plan for town. your arrogant play is getting on my nerves. i trust GMs claim right now. wbg said earlier, that kurumi is an easylynch. my former suspicion on gm was mainly based on his case on red21 when ss was under suspicion. ss was green so gm looks better. read my filter, i wrote that earlier. You're still not done slinging mud at Kita/Red? Their plan makes sense, and it makes sense to hold back the checks to get reactions. Notice how you guys were coinflipping between Us or Nipple being scum, yet when pressed went with the afk team? Somehow I doubt that would have happened had they come out and released their info like you asked Also, now you TRUST GM's claim....? It's like your pretending he didn't claim medic last night. On November 09 2011 07:15 GreYMisT wrote: GM=scum 1 WBG and team nipple are tied for my second place. Are you the same way Greymist? Has GM suddenly become town due to KitaRed's check results? | ||
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On November 09 2011 12:15 redFF wrote: Do not vote until we do. For all you guys know, this may be a fake check. I sincerely hope you are shitting me. ##Unvote | ||
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