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But anyway, let's attack the lurkers.. they should be active afterall.. | ||
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On October 31 2011 01:52 xsksc wrote: I'm gonna have to agree with risk.nuke about toad. Toad is the only person that appears suspicous to me so far. Sounds like scum trying to find blues. This actually passed also my mind. but in retrospec, you pointing this out might be dodgy as well.. | ||
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On October 31 2011 06:30 Zanfada wrote: I can take my vote back at any time. The vote was just there to promote talking which it did just that. What was alot more interesting was Toad's post and how it was received. I personally think blues should post and help the town or they stand out to mafia and playing safe and become much better targets. Also mafia rarely mention blues for the simple fact that it makes them look more like mafia hunting for blues with any mention of blues. The same goes for blues themselves, they want to hide with town and do their job. I think Toad was just trying to prevent what happened last game to happen this game. However his post doesn't say anything more then "post guys" which doesn't further along any conversation it just increase his post count which in my opinion is all mafia try to do for the first day. I wasn't starting a town panic, though it seems to have caused you to panic a little. Your response to my vote seems to be an emotional plea involving ponies and a FOS but little more then that. It seems as if you are trying to not draw any sort of attention to yourself even after a vote has already been placed on you. Normally I would take this as a scum tell but it seems more like a newbie tell then a mafia at this point. Then there is Ciryandor, he defended me and my baseless attack on someone. The only time I usually am defended is when scum are trying to buddy up with me. Or since he has played a few games he is just trying to let newbies know what I was doing. Still FOS for now. You tend to say very little with very much words.. That seems to me like you are overcompensating for the lack of conclusive arguments. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 07:11 Toadesstern wrote: no the point is, that as a dt or medic you don't want to look like a dt or medic for mafia, because that would be an easy hint for them. So let's say we got 9 people and all of them are posting equally. In that case mafia will have a hard time figurering out who's a blue. If we got 9 people, 6 of them are talking a lot and 3 are not, mafia will have a slight clue and have to decide if it's a guy who just isn't playing this game activ or if it's a guy who does not want to get killed for some reason. I don't want to make a possible dt or medic stand out. I'm saying, that in my opinion posting nothing at all WILL make them stand out and vulnerable. Just take into consideration when I actually made that post: About the time when 4 of us haven't made a post in this thread. Maybe it's 3 I don't know but you get the idea. I just wanted to make sure that there's nobody thinking "oh crap I have to do as little posts as possible as a dt to not give away my secret identy" because that's what came to my mind last game (which was my first game) and I was a dt. I had to change it pretty soon :p Haven't read page 11, am reading right now and will maybe add something. This is just to clear up my "intentions" about that "make medics and dts" post. It lacks any sense whatsoever if you reflect it to his previous posts. He is either not explaining himself clearly or has an hidden agenda (read: he is scum) When does the first day ends? | ||
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On October 31 2011 07:50 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but that's just what I said. We know each other a bit so I think both look perfectly fine. Zanfas does look a bit strange since he's posting so much but that's a good thing and I'm guessing he improved right now :p Ciry is just like what he did last game and well ciry said something like that about me. So that is why I don't think a statement like "yeah I played last game with him and it kinda looks legit" is scummy and I got to disagree. oh and yeah sry hyshes, will keep quoting from now on. I'm not used to such a fast thread :D So this post was about harb and my last sentece was directed to hyshes. Those 2 before were more of a general post talking to everyone. was directed to hyshes. everything clear now? @Toadesstern my excuses, i reread you opening post, i must have misremembered it wrong. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 07:53 IMABUNNEH wrote: 2 posts in almost 24 hours is almost as bad as 24 hours of nothing though, and as a reference, the people on both sides of the pond (myself and Toads for Europe, for example) have multiple posts. Have you been working all Sunday or something? @IMABUNNEH even though i don't like inactives either, direct attacks seem a bit off. He is not the only one who is post very little (i only see the same 5-6 returning while reading). @all: i would to remind you all of my previously posted opinion about Zanfada. It seems to me he overcompensates the lack of simple and clear arguments by huge blocks of text. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 06:57 hyshes wrote: You tend to say very little with very much words.. That seems to me like you are overcompensating for the lack of conclusive arguments. | ||
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On November 02 2011 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: got home from university now and yeah let's get a little analysis what happened last day. Let's just pretend we don't know a thing. In that scernario everything's possible. I could be green, I could be red, Skrammen could be green and Skrammen could be red. Same with Zanfa and risk but I'm going to talk about Skrammen and me since the two of us are the main subjects in this thread right now. 1) Both red Let's start with the easy one and pretend both Skrammen and I am red. In that case the two of us are stupid and I'm blaming him to be mafia while he is blaming me to be mafia. I know we're not really blameing each other but I did vote for him so I guess that counts, too. That does not sound like a good plan for mafia imo. 2) Both green Next possibilty: We're both green. If that turns out to be true towns horribly fucked. Not because of the fact that both of us are green but since we didn't even get a majority on a green while mafia is probably even helping us or at least spreading their votes and therefore we might have 1 or 2 mafias on Skrammen as well. And still we don't get a majority. If that's true we got a major problem because we're not going to get a lynch anytime soon (= free kill for mafia without having the chance to kill a mafia or at least get GRANTED information). => pretty much everyone could be mafia because they're able to vote whoever they want without having to manipulate votes at least a bit. 3) Skrammen green, I'm red In that case town got a heavy problem as well. Skrammen was closest for having a majority and it's pretty much the same as the second possibility: I'm mafia and I went for a wagon issued by someone else and still town hasn't got a majority. That would mean that out of those 6 votes probably 2 or 3 votes are issued by mafias (my vote at least + maybe my buddies) while 3 townies voted for Skrammen, 3 voted for me, 2 voted for Zanfa and 1 voted for Chocolate. That's not exactly what you want to do as town, no matter what. 4) I'm green, Skrammen is red In that situation mafia is probably not going to vote for skrammen in the first place. They want to safe their buddy as long as it's possible without leaking information of who actually is mafia out of votingbehaviors right before the deadline. Also this would mean we got at most 1 mafia voting for Skrammen (that is if they got balls). I doubt they got the balls to put their mafia buddy on a 6-votes position themselves, just to make those other 2 mafias really hidden. There could always be a hero votechange 1h before the deadline which would have made a lynch. So in that scenario we probably got about 5 townies voting for Skrammen, maybe it's even 6, while mafia is trying to get us on someone else. Therefore they got either 2 votes on me, 1 vote on me + 1 vote on zanfa or 2 votes on zanfa (the third one is Skrammens vote on choc), while 3 townies did not choose to vote for Skrammen. For me it's kind of clear. I can rule out possibilty 1 (let's face it, noone's that stupid). I think 3 is pretty unlikely. I just think town should be able to get more than 3 votes on a single person without mafia therefore I think there's no mafia votes on Skrammen. If there are we're really fucked. 2 and 4 could be possible in my opinion. Having 5 or 6 townies able to focus their votes on 1 single person while 3 are not sure what to do sounds reasonable for me (compare with example 3: I don't think we got only 3 people being able to focus their votes while the rest is spreading their votes for whatever reason). Therefore I'd say its 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 I'm still not saying I think Skrammen's 100% sure red, and if he's green than risk is green as well. But I think it's a better explanation than the two of us being green or 'me red + Skrammen green' or both red. 1. seems indeed very unlikely 2. is still possible, since it's a newbie game and we are all a bit unfamiliar with the way things go. I heard last newbie game had alot of modkills? 3. I have actually no problem believing this one. Stating that the town is fucked is not really an argument for likelyhood  4. This senario is actually less likely for me than 3. This is a newbie game, some of us are unfamiliar with the way things go (like me) and so only a few town-votes don't really suprise me at all. in order of likelyhood: 3>2>4>1 | ||
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On November 02 2011 02:03 Toadesstern wrote: the problem with 3 is that it would mean that we're not able to get more than 3 votes focussed on someone and I think that is very unlikely because that's 6 (!) guys who are spreading votes. Not the fact that town would be screwed if 3 (pretty much the same as 2) turns out to be true is the thing that makes it the easiest / most likely explanation. I don't know how you guys approach this game but I figured people know that we need to lynch people to get something going. I got to add that I probably forgot one solution. Maybe people didn't read the first post in this thread carefully and did not read my post about it pointing it out again: This game has no simple majority rule. Having 6 votes on Skrammen was not enough to get him lynched although he was the one with the most votes on the list. If there's a couple of people who did not know that for whatever reason, it would be another explanation for why we're not even able to lynch a townie (talking about scenario 2 and 3) because they thought 6 on Skrammen is already enough to get them lynched and no need to change votes. I'm still not excluding 3 as a possibility. If we faced this situation on day 2, i would agree.. but i don't see any reason to exclude option 3 on day 1 just because it would be bad play by the town. | ||
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On November 02 2011 03:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: So while reviewing the voting and the resulting no-lynch, I noticed something very interesting from Drem: If you were very suspicious of both of them, why would you leave your vote on Zanfada? At the time of your voting, you had the option to make it 2 votes for Zanfada, or 4 votes for Skrammen. If your goal was to get scum lynched, and you were very suspicious of Skrammen, why place your vote in a way that greatly increases the odds of a no-lynch rather than nearly guaranteeing a lynch on Skrammen? I would also like a bit more from hyshes on why he voted Zanfada, considering his voting post was the following: Do you still think he is scum? Were you around at all after more votes were in? If so, what was your reasoning for leaving your vote on Zanfada, rather than switching it to Toad? Since the failed lynch you seem to be focusing more on Toad, but haven't really made a committal statement yet, do you believe Toad to be scum? I still have some suspicion yes. At that time he was the most suspicious to me and i needed to vote to be sure not to get modkilled. I was actually around when the day ended but because the [*time*] thingy of teamliquid did not change until past night for european timezones (we had a timeshift saturday) i missed it by a few minutes. (you can ask our host, i msged him about it) I'm 50/50 on toad being scum to be fair. I find his reason why he is not scum and skrammen is not conclusive. | ||
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This mafia kill is actually very strange to me, i had a few scenarios in mind of who would be mafia if someone died.. but i never thought risk would be a target. | ||
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On November 02 2011 19:13 Toadesstern wrote: oh ok, I thought you said you needed a vote to not get modkilled for the moment (way before deadline) and wanted to change it later on. that is what i said... i needed a vote to not get modkilled.. so i voted for the most suspicous person back then... I probably would have chosen for a lynch if i didn't miss the deadline... (but that is void now) | ||
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On November 02 2011 19:45 Ciryandor wrote: So now, what say you? Do you have any idea who you think thought of targeting risk? Actually, i've no idea whatsoever.. This kill makes no sense to me. | ||
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