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NotChezinu's Signature: I am not Chezinu. Really. I am a townie Chezinu is really brown, you know... | ||
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On September 27 2011 10:32 GMarshal wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mKYYM.jpg) "Out, vile jelly! Where is thy luster now?" | ||
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Also stop using gimmicky words like "OMGUS" and "meta". They're mostly meaningless terms people tack onto their "analyses" to make them look legitimate. I am not going to tolerate this nonsense. Unless you make some real arguments I will just ignore you or squish you like a bug, depending on how ridiculous you are. Note that there is likely a lot of KP this game. Which should be fun if you are a vig, as there are plenty of nice juicy targets lying around. Don't be afraid of PMs. As long as you watch yourself and don't do anything stupid, there's no reason not to take advantage of this resource. Can mafia manipulate? If you keep a healthy dose of skepticism and firmly ground your reasoning in logic, it is actually difficult for mafia to manipulate you. In fact, mafia love it when they can see every little thing that is going on in the thread. While PMs have the reputation for being a playground for manipulation and devious scheming, you just have to back off and look at things objectively and you'll be fine. The main reason PMs are a huge benefit for the town is that it allows us to conceal our actions. In a no-PM game, the mafia have a very good idea of what people are thinking. Generally, most people will be on the wrong track, and occasionally a few will be on the right track. Since no information is withheld from them, they can accurately make informed decisions on night kills and general posting strategy in order to mislead the town and eliminate anyone who could possibly oppose them. If you skillfully use PMs, however, the mafia are unable to accurately judge how active and dangerous you actually are and will be forced to be proactive in PMs and in the thread in order to collect information. Of course, this is inherently uncomfortable for them, as it conflicts their inherent desire to hide. Everyone knows that "mafia start out with an information advantage over the town", but hardly anyone recognizes that mafia needs to maintain that advantage if they want to stay competitive as the game goes longer. Using a healthy dose of PMs makes it that much harder for them to stay on top of the ball. If anything, its easier to manipulate the mafia in PMs than the other way around. With that said, unless something interesting happens (please feel free to let me know if you find anything), I'll be moving to PM land for now. Be back after the day post. | ||
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On September 30 2011 05:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Omfg are you reading anything I'm writing? YOU ARE SCUM IF PALMAR FLIPS TOWN Jesus fucking Christ I said nothing about you being scum other than that Here we go again with the baseless assumptions. Stop using throwing the word "meta" around. Townies are wrong all the time so this should NOT be a consideration for this lynch. This Palmar lynch is quite interesting right now, although this is nowhere near a "strong case". I am disturbed by the fact that nobody seems to be defending him in thread, (except perhaps wherebugsgo, underhandedly, and Forumite earlier) or is trying to derail the lynch. The most interesting thing about Palmar is that he doesn't defend himself at all and just claims alignment cop. The other thing is completely ignoring jackal and switching to Curu AFTER I said that the WBG and Jackal lynches are bad. With that said, there are definitely reasons to see why Palmar is town. Since this is quite an uncontested lynch, I'm going to be looking out for those lurkers who jumped on the wagon in the middle section. Erandorr and jcarlsoniv come to mind. ##Vote Erandorr for this post: On September 30 2011 02:57 Erandorr wrote: What? So you are saying nothing at all with your first real post and then want to lynch someone while giving no reason or any form of analysis? Have you made an effort reading this thread? Mig provided some really strong analysis on Palmar, and while I dont like the way Curu has been posting , right now I think Palmar is our best shot at lynching scum today. ##Unvote ## Vote Palmar Someone please tell me why Erandorr would pop up and pick on DropBear while voting Palmar in the same post. On September 30 2011 03:28 Erandorr wrote: Hmm I need to look closer at Sev then , but you have seen his town play , right? I would say we can give him a couple of more days instead of going for the really easy kill on someone who is known for being scummy as hell when town. Palmar is also known for being scummy when town. | ||
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On September 30 2011 06:34 prplhz wrote: what the hell are you and radfield having a competition about who can get erandorr bangwagon'd with the least amount of time left in the game? you make a big ass post about how baller pm land is and how you're going to spend your time here and then you come here, saying questionable stuff such as "the palmar lynch is terrible" (it isn't) and then you build a case NOT BASED ON PMS but on two silly posts from erandorr aren't you supposed to be good at this game or something? you say it in the god damn post "making a mistake doesn't make you scum" and then you highlight a mistake from a new player and say "oh he's definitely scum, not palmar who lies about arguments and hides when he's about to get lynched". do you really think that erandorr is better lynch than palmar? "my/his town play is scummy" is really no excuse for anything. Lol. I hope the first sentence is a joke, as there is no indication that I am "trying to start a bandwagon". I am just trying to point out things that nobody is talking about. Palmar is clearly about to be lynched, so I might as well move on. There isn't a strong enough case for me to defend him, but he isn't scummy enough for me to jump on the wagon and say "Yes! Plamar is 100% mafia" either. I never said the second statement. I am saying the case against him is questionable. Everyone is running around saying "Palmar is a great lynch" when it clearly isn't. Palmar isn't playing like his usual town OR usual mafia. Of course, if he survives this lynch I'll go back and examine his past games later when I have time. You all keep screaming "Lynch All Liars" which is one of those other buzzwords that have little meaning. The 3rd bolded statement is flat out a lie. I never said or even hinted that Palmar is 100% town. I'm curious that you have never actually contributed anything to the Palmar case except for this. And then you go beserk when I decide to vote for Erandorr instead of Palmar. If this isn't a blatant misrepresentation of my post, I don't know what is. Congratulations, you just became number 1 on my suspect list. | ||
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"The 3rd bolded statement is flat out a lie. I never said or even hinted that Erandorr is 100% red." | ||
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In case you haven't noticed I replied to your post. Do you have anything else to add to our little discussion? | ||
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On September 30 2011 07:01 wherebugsgo wrote: Since Palmar flipped red I'm interested in pursuing these players: Forumite, risk.nuke, Incognito. Jackal is still pretty scummy to me as well, but his link to Palmar was weaker than the others. Also I don't believe either Nisani nor Sinani ever really mentioned Palmar either. I am interested as to why you are pushing risk.nuke, since as far as I'm concerned, Palmar flipping red says nothing about him. At least not anymore than some of the other voters. Also why is Forumite scummy? | ||
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On September 30 2011 08:35 wherebugsgo wrote: also why the fuck Incog is obsessed with prpl I have no idea but it really makes no sense to me Why are you obsessed about forumite/me? You clearly will take the time to write out accusations of Forumite/me/jackal, but refuse to respond to my request about prplhz? Please stop making your "analysis" fit your assumptions while misinterpreting posts. It really isn't that hard to look at prplhz's posts and form an opinion. | ||
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On June 21 2011 16:11 Ver wrote: 8) Even if you think someone is mafia, read their posts objectively!!! The most flagrant example of this was when Foolishness completely quit reading Incognito's posts when he started shaping up in day 2, completely missing the gamebreaking case on Ace. Many people also downplayed Dreamflower's major accusation on Ace because they were suspicious of her behavior from early on. | ||
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However, the most important piece of evidence is this post: On September 30 2011 20:38 prplhz wrote: ~words words words~ i'm posting this now 'cause apparently scum (incog) wants me dead so much that they've resorted to asking random mutes if they want to kill me. i don't see why 'cause i wasn't instrumental in palmar's demise at all. The bolded part is clearly sarcasm. What prplhz is claiming here is that he was in fact instrumental in Palmar's demise. Is this claim true? Absolutely not. He does vote for Palmar, who flips red, but he does not contribute to the lynch to the extent he claims. Notice the timing of his posts. Early in the game, prplhz says since palmar is locked down for day1 lynch can we talk about who to lynch day2? . It is fairly obvious that this is a joke post. Two posts later, he votes NotChezinu. 3 posts after that, he says "Palmar is actually scum this time" with no explanation.After this, there is a lul in the anti-Palmar rhetoric, and prplhz doesn't give an opinion on Palmar until two hours before the lynch ends, when it is clear that Palmar is going to die. This post is the only post in which prplhz gives a substantial opinion on Palmar, and it comes far too late: On September 30 2011 05:04 prplhz wrote:Also how Palmar just says "Alright, I'm getting lynched, well goodbye folks". That's kinda scummy you know, they don't tend to say a lot after it's apparent that they're gonna get lynched. prplhz only votes Palmar after it is clear that Palmar is doomed. It is obvious that prplhz's post was not meant to influence people to vote Palmar, but to justify his vote. prplhz does not push Palmar's lynch at ANY time before this point, and doesn't contribute to the discussion when people are trying to figure out if they want to vote for Curu or Palmar. Look at prplhz's 3 posts before the one I just quoted: On September 29 2011 20:40 prplhz wrote: so you don't care much who gets lynched, you just want to voice your support of a scenario with two bandwagons that you and your scum buddies can hop on to at leisure? On September 29 2011 21:40 prplhz wrote: so who do you think is scummier of the two? are any of them scum at all? On September 29 2011 21:49 prplhz wrote: i mean scum would love to see the lynch be decided by who is the scummier of two townies, and not who is actually scum. you're just sitting there saying "oh yea bitches, duke it out and we'll lynch one of you!" and i kinda find that very scummy. very scum. Is he contributing to the lynch? No. First he underhandedly accuses Forumite by suggesting he doesn't care about the lynch. Then he asks Forumite of his opinion on Palmar/Curu and criticizes Forumite for not trying to figure out if Palmar/Curu are scummy townies or scum, while failing to provide any insight himself. It is obvious that prplhz is not trying to bring clarity to the thread, but is rather trying to stir doubt. Yet after the lynch, he claims (using sarcasm) that he was instrumental in Palmar's lynch. This is clearly not true. prplhz is trying to claim undeserved credit for Palmar's lynch. There is no reason for a townie to do this. Thus, prplhz is mafia. | ||
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On October 01 2011 06:35 prplhz wrote: i don't know about this but i think that this is pretty weird since i provided original analysis on palmar and voted and i've been on incognito's back all game and he appears to be kinda scummy right now according to a bunch of people. like i don't wanna die and we don't need vigs doing something crazy awesome, especially not if it just turns out to be crazy. we lynched scum on day1, it's 16-3 to town and we've got awesome reads on a bunch of people. don't be an idiot unless you feel you absolutely have to. "What? I'm blending in well, why would you want to kill me?" - prplhz | ||
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On October 01 2011 20:08 wherebugsgo wrote: You know, it's kinda funny how much Incog has been a hypocrite this game. He hasn't followed his own advice for townies, he accuses prpl for not having a pro-town agenda when his is one of the most anti-town in the game, and continues to spew garbage. Just look at this "analysis" of prpl. It isn't analysis, it's a wall of fluff. All game Incog has been insinuating that he's been producing things of value, particularly in his fantastical "PM land." Have any of you seen these supposed things of value? Have any of you seen what Incog has contributed to this town? I certainly haven't. Instead, Incog has been acting exactly like the type of player he's targetting; like a scummy lurker. I'm not being a hypocrite. If you see my play, it obviously has an agenda behind it. Maybe its not the most transparent agenda, but unlike all you guys spamming up the thread and pointing fingers at the same 8 people who keep posting, I'm trying to figure stuff out. If someone can tell me where these players have been and why they are being ignored, please let me know: sinani Nisani risk.nuke jcarl erandorr NotChezinu Lucidity Kenpachi DropBear supersoft sevryn It should be fairly obvious that the mafia the mafia were weak and disorganized day 1, as they couldn't stop the fast Palmar lynch. This means that the mafia are most likely in the pool of less active posters. Take a look at the latest vote count: Palmar Curu* supersoft Mig* jcarlsoniv Erandorr <-- error in vote count Forumite Jackal58 prplhz risk.nuke Starred players are the ones who instigated the list. Palmar was lynched with relatively few voters, but because the vote was split among so many candidates, it was pretty safe to say that by the 4th or 5th vote, this was a sealed deal (the next highest lynch candidate had 2 votes). Looking at the placement of jackal and prplhz as two confirmed town on the end of the list, I'm going to go out and say that mafia weren't really around for this lynch. It doesn't make sense for mafia to jump on as early as jcarlsoniv, and maybe even Erandorr. Although weaker since jackal/prplhz are town, risk.nuke/Forumite look quite suspicious here. I'll wait for some of my PMs to come back but I'm looking hard at them right now. Either way, back to wbg's point, even if I've been a hypocrite, how does that make me mafia? He is seriously blowing my scumminess out of proportion. He accuses me of not being openly useful and thus not having a pro-town agenda. It should be fairly obvious that unlike some of the people who are jumping on the easy votes (the votes on wherebugsgo/me), I'm actually trying to dig deeper. Anyone who has been in PM contact with me should be able to tell that I actually am trying to figure stuff out and that I actually care about the town. My posts are not fluff, they show that I am genuinely contributing to the game. I haven't seen a serious analysis from anyone this game, except for Mig. Gonna look seriously into the pool of inactives, especialy risk.nuke/Forumite, as I'm not convinced right now that any of the same 8 active posters are mafia. | ||
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On October 02 2011 04:29 jcarlsoniv wrote: I've been right here, Incog! I haven't really had much to say because the last few pages have been people (WBG) accusing you. I already stated why it doesn't sit right with me that you would call for the hit on prpl right after he was accusing you. Repeating myself won't really do any good. I'm noticing how there really aren't any cases for different lynch candidates. This makes it seem like mafia is perfectly content with letting Incog get lynched. I want to read a little more and see if I can find something useful. I thought he was mafia. Seriously, if I were mafia and were that afraid of him, why would I call a vig hit on him? Also notice that there were 2 deaths last night. Mafia KP is 2. Nobody has claimed to have taken a hit so I don't see why that is suspicious. If anything, asking a vig to hit a suspect and then hitting him myself doesn't make sense either. Why not just shoot him and be done with it? No reason to bother with vigs and all if I was going to do the dirty work myself anyway. Also there are a lot more people who are louder and more dangerous to me if I am mafia (wherebugsgo hasn't stopped attacking me in a while). | ||
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![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XDmiW2bMOZ8/Tf5lYPbuNEI/AAAAAAAALxw/6ftiVeg8bpk/s1600/hydra%252C+totus.jpg) I think additional explanation would be unnecessary at this point. ##Vote Curu | ||
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