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jcarlsoniv
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Haven't played in quite a while, but definitely been wanting to jump back in. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On August 31 2011 06:23 OriginalName wrote: Ill be slightly lurkerish for the first half of day one since this game starts on my birthday ._. No excuses. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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Really looking forward to this game  | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 01 2011 00:32 iGrok wrote: Alright guys, looking great! We'll be starting at 8:00pm est. Tonight? Or tomorrow night? Here I've been sitting and waiting, and I realized the 1st isn't til tomorrow =X | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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But I assume that when people get a role PM, they will check the thread =) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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O_o Warranted? Idk, I've never played a game with Chaos13. Come to think of it, I haven't played with a lot of people on the list. | ||
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On September 01 2011 09:54 Varpulis wrote: I have a proposal, for the purpose of maximizing efficiency with our mandated double lynch. For the first day, maybe the first 2, we lynch a scummy person, one of average activity, and the scummiest lurker. This achieves all of the goals of a day one lynch (lynch somebody who people have given an opinon on and who will give information when/if we see them flip, as per the goal of a normal game), as well as eliminating a lurker. Lurkers are hard to read and dare i say distracting to the town as the game goes on, so i'd like to take advantage of the tools given to us and get rid of them early. As the game continues we will have more information to go on, and the chances of us accurately lynching more than one scum are increased, so we can lynch normally. Using lynches on lurkers early is a crap shoot. Yes, lurkers suck. But I'd much prefer not to waste lynches on them. Getting rid of the scummiest players early on is much more important. Although, I do agree, lurkers are extremely distracting to town. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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It's going to be natural for people to read into other peoples' play styles. Also, GMarshal...claiming? And shrouded in nonsensical babble. Why? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 01 2011 11:30 Varpulis wrote: you didn't read the whole post, did you? GMarsal isn't playing. Basing votes and lynches purely off of meta is hit and miss. sometimes it can have accurate results (example being Mig in XLIV) but in other situations, (such as this one) it can lead to mislynches because somebody is playing "off their meta." I seem to get accused of this every other game, actually. I'm not saying voting based of meta is good or bad. I'm just saying it will happen. People will tend to notice patterns in behavior. Also, yes, I derped hard. GMarshal confused me =( | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 01 2011 11:43 Ace wrote: how is trying to look pro-town a Scummy thing? Likewise, how is posting guidelines for the way you would want the game to proceed Scummy? Neither are, and neither one is specific enough behavior to even matter. Except...it would make sense that he would be "trying to look pro-town" if he were scum. The scum are the ones who would be "trying to look pro-town". He is posting guidelines that are delightfully obvious. The things he lists are things that should happen in any town, and it's the scum's job to want to make them happen. The people who are town are town. The people who are not town want to look town. I know you are a good scum hunter, Ace. And I know these are things you know. Why would you be so quick to refute the possibility of scum behavior? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 01 2011 12:46 Ace wrote: Everyone is trying to look pro-town. It prevents you from getting thought of as lynch bait. I'm not refuting the possibility of scummy behavior. I'm pointing out that something as inane as "he's trying to look pro-town" isn't going to help us find Scum. Town sided players also tend to look pro-town at times too you know? Understood. But in the beginning, I think the little things tend to be nit-picked. Whether it may or may not be correct doesn't quite matter as much as generating the discussion to start finding the scum. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 01 2011 17:54 Kenpachi wrote: ok sorry guys. i had to sleep early to wake up early but i never slept so i never woke up. Its the morning and im tired but who cares (ps. happy birthday ON, wasnt able to tell you on LoL) Im a townie and im sad because im not an awesome role that is the priest or the necromancer in an epic setup like this. le sigh my gut feeling is telling me that if varp is scum, his team doesnt consist of me I would also like a summary of these following players: Sknowman Wherebugsgo jcarlsoniv i dont know who these guys are and i would like to know if they are fellow lurkers or not. I want to say varpulis is scummy but i have seen too many useless introductory posts that i dont know anymore. Aside from that i want to bring your attention to this: Red was pretty senseless in posting this. Instead of atleast justifying or defending himself, he asks what does not need to be asked. fos redff You want a summary of 3 players after literally 2 pages of play? You can't take 10 minutes to ready through to find what we posted, but you have time to find what sinani posts and accuse Red of being scum. What Red posted is not senseless at all. Here Red is, pressuring Varp at the very start of the game, giving analysis (correct or not), getting reactions. I think it's definitely warranted for Red to ask why he's being FoSd. Tunneling works. It puts pressure on an individual, and obtains reactions from the other individuals. It exposes those who are grouping together. So far, I see: Varpulis Kenpachi sinani grouped through defenses. Also: On September 01 2011 21:32 Palmar wrote: So how about we lynch Varpulis and jcarlsoniv? I think that'd be a good way to start the game. If you absolutely wanted to lynch me, whatever. It would be a waste of a lynch, AND I would like to see some reasoning behind it. If you're lynching me because I'm lurking, well then read the last 2 freaking pages again. I'm not lurking even a little bit. On September 01 2011 21:32 Palmar wrote: I think redFF and chaos13 are almost definitely town, but I need more evidence to be conclusive. I don't necessarily disagree, but chaos13 has not posted much at all that would let me lean either way. I'm neutral on him at the moment. And I'll also be watching Red. While I agree with him that Varp seems scummy, some of the best scum hunters can turn out to be scum. They kinda cheat =) | ||
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On September 01 2011 22:41 Palmar wrote: Let's turn the question around, why should I not want to lynch you? Because it is a wasted lynch. If you really want to lynch me, I know there's little I can do to stop it. But if you lynch me, you're wasting a spot that could be used on scum. All you've done so far in this game is post observations and summarizing the events already going on. Most of the point of the game is to post observations...that's how you learn things. Not all too much has happened yet. There's only 2 pages of play thus far. I just made my own post on Kenpachi, but I suppose that was just "summarizing the events already going on" too? I'm not saying red is town because I think he's good at scumhunting. I read the thread and draw my own conclusions. redFF is not a bad player, so after reading his posts I'm leaning towards town right now. On you, however, I'm leaning towards scum. You're wrong. | ||
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On September 01 2011 23:22 Ace wrote: why do I sign up for these games Why even bother posting if you're going to be useless about it? | ||
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On September 02 2011 01:08 sinani206 wrote: I don't think you know the meaning of FoS. FoS means I find you suspicious. It doesn't mean that you are scum. Am I not allowed to have suspicions? You're allowed to have suspicions, sure. I feel like that is still a very weak basis to FoS on. It is natural for people to start observing peoples' behavior and draw conclusions based on previous experience, especially at the start of a game. As I've said before, the discussion has to start somewhere. Meta and policies aren't a good enough case for a lynch right now. You're correct. It's not a good enough case for a lynch. However, it is a good basis to put pressure on players, and gains reactions from other players, namely players like you. The way I see it is a scum teammate rushing to his partners side to accuse the accuser. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 02 2011 00:16 Palmar wrote: Why do you bother? It's not like you're actually trying. Most of us are. Why do you act as if what people are saying right now is final? We talk in circles to try to figure out what drives each one of us until we can pinpoint whoever is anti town. The people that don't join in on the conversation are those who are really dangerous to town, because they don't leave behind anything to investigate them on. By the way, I don't want to lynch jcarlvson anymore. Now I wanna lynch Varpulis and Sandroba. Why the sudden change of heart? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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I want to know your motives. You're correct in not wanting to lynch me anymore, but I want to know why you changed your mind. The reasons behind peoples' actions are how you figure them out. | ||
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On September 02 2011 03:53 sandroba wrote: Okay, I've read the thread now and it's shit. Let's not lynch varpulis now because it's dumb. Everyone is jumping on this silly bandwagon without any evidence at all. Well, seeing as there are still 29 hours left in the day, I wouldn't say it's a bandwagon. It's a place to start. Read what Ace said, he knows his shit. I'm really not keen on what Ace said only because he has already shown he has no interest in this game: + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2011 23:22 Ace wrote: why do I sign up for these games @redFF why do you think ON is town? He has a 2 posts that don't say much. It's funny you say that because him and bum are on the top of my watch list right now. That's a good point, and something I meant to comment on earlier. Although until ON and bum post more and have something to say, I wouldn't say their on the top of a watch list, but definitely people to pay attention to once they really show up. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 02 2011 04:17 sandroba wrote: This is what I'm refering to. If a guy is being useless and making blend in posts when there is actually something else to talk about, that is indeed suspicious. But whatever varpulis posted 1 hour into the game to try to get discussion going when there was nothing to talk about says nothing about his aligment. I'll much rather not waste a day discussing him right now. What do you guys say about the 3 top suspects idea. I'd like to see comments on that. Also bum your easy vote on varpulis was lol. Care to give me your reasoning behind your vote? Well, for a top 3 suspects thing to work, we would need to actually be able to decide on 3 suspects. People, however, don't seem too keen on the one suspect we have. So what do you suggest? Picking people at random off the list? Fine I can do that. How bout... SKnowman Kenpachi sinani206 But the thing is, I just picked people. If we want to be able to pick suspects, we can't have people shutting down our proposals without having different people offered instead. So far, we've gotten pretty much nowhere. | ||
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On September 02 2011 08:08 wherebugsgo wrote: Yes. For this reason I think we should put equal votes on 3 players, but that's really unlikely to happen; I don't think the town is able to coordinate to that extent (prove me wrong, bitches) The only thing that can screw with us is pious voters. However, we can make this happen. I also think it's worth it to focus on 3 targets at once and then get them all to 4-5 votes so that the likelihood of us hanging a mafia on day 1 are higher. We can't guarantee a mafia lynch, but we can definitely increase our odds. The downside to this is that if we pick 3 town to lynch, the roleblocker can fuck with us by roleblocking a vote on the "scummiest" player. The next day we might fall into a trap of lynching that guy just because he escaped the lynch. I say let's do it, but just be really careful about the types of conclusions we draw from it. Ooooooook I understand now. At first I was very confused about the plan. But now it doesn't seem like a terrible idea. We definitely have to be very careful about it before and after though. Which means we need 3 focus targets. I think at this point Varp, sinani, and Kenpachi would be my 3, although nothing definitive. | ||
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