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I really like the atmosphere chaoser and DropBear are setting up. This is a good way to start the game, with plenty of productive discussion going on and not too much other crap. | ||
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On August 19 2011 08:03 xtfftc wrote: Surely the Mafia is aware that open discussion is the ordinary citizens' strongest weapon and are thus likely to target those who are unafraid to speak their minds? A dictator always targets the means of communication: the media, the internet, etc. Yes. Does that mean we should all lurk? No. If everybody discusses in a productive way, mafia will have trouble blending in and providing the same level of constructive input, and suddenly those extremely pro-town players don't become such high profile targets, because everyone is joining in to an equal degree. | ||
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On August 19 2011 08:12 xtfftc wrote: I agree, of course. If the whole population takes part in the democracy process, the people become too powerful to be messed with. But it often takes just one ordinary citizen to show signs of cowardice - and suddenly we see a snowball effect affecting the whole town. Which is why it's up to the individuals not to follow suit if someone does. | ||
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On August 19 2011 14:08 Varpulis wrote: quicksilver, what should i say, praytell? I came late to the party, all of the basic guidelines and stuff had already been said. saying that i agree with loads of people is a waste of my time and yours because they're all saying the same stuff. The "pro town" stuff that Navillus has been saying has been said, in some variation, many times before, by both town and scum. a post doesn't have to be huge to make a point. Please be concise, everybody. There are plenty of posts in here to analyze, and basic guidelines and stuff often give you good material to look over. Remember that town want a pro-town atmosphere, and scum want the opposite. Check over, see if you can find a player trying to appear pro-town but pushing a mafia agenda. Your excuse for not posting is that you came late to the game? That's pathetic. That's using your lack of activity as an excuse for your lack of activity. Granted, I do kinda like the way you threw that last line on to try to gain some town cred. | ||
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On August 19 2011 21:55 Curu wrote: So Palmar kindly provide a reason DropBear is scum. I know you like to speak in short absolutes but for the rest of us that don't see your brilliant Icelandic logic, we need help. chaos what's your opinion on Jackal? Palmar is just trolling/tunneling atm. I don't think he's going to provide anything more than what he has, so we can pretty much just ignore him until he does. No posts of Jackal's stand out to me right now. To be honest I didn't even realize he was playing this game until you made that post. Ask me later when he's posted more and I've had some more time to catch up on my reading the thread. | ||
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On August 20 2011 03:44 DropBear wrote: I am trying to get things moving, get discussion started. The posts I quoted here are prime example s of why this needs to be done, noone is doing ANYTHING. In no way am I suggesting that they are Mafia, nor was it implied when I quoted them to you. What do you mean by honesty? I didn't say anything that could potentially have been a lie? I asked questions and made suggestions, they aren't truthful or not. This makes no sense??? I don't understand your problem with me Palmar. If you are so quick to make up your mind off one post, an introduction to the game, then I sure as hell hope GMarshal didn't give you a gun. The bolded is probably the scummiest thing about DB at the moment. You say that as if Palmar is confirmed town "I hope you didn't land vigi..." Any explanation for this? People keep complaining that the thread is disorganized and nothing proper is getting done. Who started all that? Palmar. Palmar as town is The Brother Leader and Guide of Town. I see absolutely none of that here. So far all he has done is cause mayhem and spam and disorganization and a generally very unhelpful pro-mafia atmosphere. In other words, that stops right fucking now. WE NEED TO BE ORGANIZED FOR THIS GAME TO WORK No lynches are very possible if we keep dicking around the way we have been, and no-lynches gain mafia a free night kill. So here's the deal. If you're going to vote someone, you explain why. Clearly. If you're going to accuse someone of being scum, you explain why you think they are mafia. Clearly. Any other behavior is anti-town and leads to spam and confusion. Let's cut out the spam, cut out the votes without explanation, cut out the troll posts, and cut out the one-liner arguments. My vote goes on the player who led town right into this shitstorm. ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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On August 20 2011 10:21 Curu wrote: Give this man a vote to put on Sevyrn. Here's a one liner post that doesn't achieve anything. Yes, we're already clear that you think sevryn is scummy, and that you want other people to vote on him. Posts like this are not going to convince me to change my vote though. Unless you're posting analysis and evidence, you don't need to take up the time and thread space to put this up. | ||
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Again, who started this? Palmar. Let's take a brief look at the sevryn bandwagon. Did it build up quickly? Has there been any noticeable defense that appears flimsy or false or nervous? I don't think he's scum. Jackal, who do you think is mafia and why? | ||
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On August 21 2011 07:12 Palmar wrote: nah, I maintain a list of people I'm fine with lynching. BrownBear DropBear Chaos13 RayzorFlash By now you should know that if you feel like lynching me, I'm probably town :p But seriously, your only reason for being okay with lynching me is because I think you're scum. That is a textbook OMGUS, and I have no idea why everyone seems to think you're so town. You're the reason this thread has been so completely derailed already. | ||
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On August 21 2011 09:19 Sevryn wrote: chaos13 palmar created some good conversation and the thread wasnt just policy posts day one I think most people are getting a town read on him please find a better target. I think Palmar is scum, so I'll vote for him. I think the majority of your posts point towards more of a town player, so I won't vote for you. | ||
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On August 21 2011 09:25 Sevryn wrote: all your doing is abstaining if you think im not scum then you need to vote for a viable lynch target other wise your just not voting and thats scummy. palmar I should have played better dont blame yourself I'm voting for the person I think is scum. I fail to see how that is scummy. | ||
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##unvote: ##vote: RayzorFlash | ||
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On August 22 2011 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Hiro: Palmar isn't raging. He's trying to manipulate town with an appeal to emotion. I'm surprised he's even trying, it's one of the most obvious scum-tells there is. Regarding Rayzor, if he was a good enough target to risk a no-lynch today with your ill-fated vote-switch, what has changed in your opinion that makes him not-so tomorrow? Palmar: You're better than this. Your play has NOT been good, you haven't provided ANYTHING aside from your weak case against DB, and admittedly I haven't read your case against BB yet (I'm working on it). The fact that you're using that as a reason to rage when everyone here knows you're better than that makes me very suspicious. Finally somebody smart gets in here. I can't believe people let Palmar away so easily. | ||
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On August 22 2011 03:35 Palmar wrote: im just going to pretend ve doesnt exist, he's town anyway. I point out your scumminess and suddenly I'm scum, and apparently should be vigi hit. Viscera points out your scumminess and he's town. HMMMMMMM | ||
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On August 22 2011 11:18 Foolishness wrote: I'm not answering those questions lol Why not? | ||
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Guardian Angel (Medic) - one of the holy forces sent by heaven to keep the cultists from getting their hands on the shrike, you are an angel in mortal form. Every night you may watch over a player, and if they would be hit you raise a sheild of righteous fury around them, protecting them from death. You only protect from one kp. If you successfuly protect someone both you and your target will be informed. If you said you had one life left you were probably scum, since there was no way you would be double stacked at this point in the game (I think) | ||
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On August 22 2011 11:14 Foolishness wrote: I know...you could not believe how much my eyes widen when I got notified. First, you claim a RB and hit. Then Jackal points out the role description in which it clearly states that a RB + hit on a veteran will kill them. Then you softclaim veteran by the nature of your response to him. Then you absolutely refuse to confirm this soft claim, but shortly after have no problem confirming that it was actually a medic save rather than a vet's extra life. This whole hesitation just says scum to me, but maybe I'm the only one thinking it. Shortly after this we get into an interesting exchange with chaoser, Mig, and Foolishness. On August 22 2011 14:02 chaoser wrote: There is only conjecture as to who would hit you and also block you at the same time. This only matters, of course, if you're telling the truth. I've seen mafia claim to be roleblocked when they really haven't been, I really wouldn't put it pass mafia to claim they were also hit, especially if it's you who is claiming to be blocked. I'll have to sleep on this. That being said, mig, I have a question: you said that to foolishness about him using meta to place suspicions against you but then you turn around and post this: and yet have not provided examples of me acting the way I did as mafia. A bit hypocritical don't you think? What's with the flip flopping on stances? On one hand, you don't accept meta when it's against you, but on the other you use it freely against others? And to foolishness, mig seems like the one you are most suspicious of, and yet instead of voting for him and pushing hard, you backed off with a "I wouldn't mind lynching mig" followed by a "rayzorflash is an outstanding issue as well" When I was mafia in XXXVII I basically posted just that about a teammate and this was noted by Ver as something that mafia would do. Why aren't you pushing harder on mig? This is really a rather empty post. Look at it. What information does he actually bring to the table? He questions Foolishness' claim, points out a contradiction in Mig's posts, and questions Foolishness again. All of this ends with a vote on Mig that happens a few posts later, but...it's not an analysis on Mig. The majority of it is pushing Foolishness rather than Mig. On August 22 2011 14:40 Foolishness wrote: It's because I'm not sure what to make of the night events. I got roleblocked and shot. That's not something most people would do. Either way you got some pretty damning evidence against Mig there. ##Vote Mig And then holy shit did this just happen? His "damning evidence" was Mig having a different approach to analyzing a different situation. That's real scummy right there, Mig must be mafia for sure. In other words, I would expect waaay more from you Foolish. On August 22 2011 17:51 Mig wrote: Chaoser you are technically correct but really you are twisting my words around to try and make me appear scummy. Not all meta arguments are the same, you didn't see me disagreeing with other meta arguments foolish had made in the thread. But his meta argument about how my "attitude" was different and therefore mafia was incorrect. He provided no examples of me acting that way as mafia and that attitude hadn't done anything to hurt the town. My meta argument against you was completely different. As town I have seen you dominate and put a ton of effort into scum hunting. This game I see you writing complete fluff posts and providing no analysis while making an excuse for being busy. Anyone can look at your play in mafia 39 and see how different it is compared to this game. Foolishness' meta argument didn't show one way or the other whether I was town and it didn't show how I was harming the town with my play however your play style is a complete 180 from your normal town play and is considerably worse than normal for you. So instead of providing any real analysis this game you started off with A) writing fluff posts B) voted for me basically just saying yea I agree with foolish then disappeared before the lynch and now C) you are twisting my words around to make me appear scummy when it should be obvious how different my argument was from the one foolish made. #Vote: chaoser Here we've got an OMGUS from Mig, although what I feel is a justified one. His defense, just like chaoser's original accusation, feels false to me. I'm really not seeing anything genuine here. Mig as a player has a tendency to become very involved in the game, actively scumhunting, leading people, and basically taking control. This is such a passive defense, and is weak for such a strong player. I don't see much substance to it. This isn't an accusation of Mig, I just want to see if anyone else felt the same way about this post as I did. In summary: Foolish makes scummy half-claim chaoser votes for Mig based on a post that accused Foolish more than Mig Foolish votes Mig on chaoser's "damning evidence" Mig votes chaoser This whole sequence of events is weird. All three of these guys are good players. Why are so many strange posts coming from all three of them within such a short time? Right now, these three (and Palmar, but I'll leave you alone for today I think) are my biggest suspects, and I think Foolishness is most likely to be scum out of them. ##Vote: Foolishness And then something I feel needs to be tagged on the end here: On August 22 2011 17:53 Palmar wrote:*lurks* Oh look, it's Palmar! Was this a useful post? No. Was it necessary? No. So unless you're actually going to contribute something, please keep your posts to yourself. | ||
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On August 22 2011 21:38 supersoft wrote: hi chaos13. Where were you at the end of day1? Why have you kept your vote on Palmar? Why did you lurk until right now? I was asleep in bed. I kept my vote on Palmar because I felt he was scum. You'll notice I posted that I was switching to Rayzor because I didn't want to see sevryn lynched, but we had a power outage as I was going to put it in the voting thread. I'm not usually very active on D1, but I get more involved as the game goes on and I have an easier time keeping track of things. What's your opinion towards RayzorFlash? After filtering his posts and reading through them, I think he's probably town. Since he's a new player, if he ended up getting mafia he would probably have a very nervous disposition. From what I can see he's confident, and explains all his actions/ideas. How do you think about the fact that our Vigilante accused xtfftc and died night1. What do you think about xtfftc? At the beginning of the game I had a town read on him. At the moment I'm not so sure. I imagine the reason Quicksilver died was because he was doing really, really good. His posts were pro-town and more reasonable than anyone elses. I highly doubt it was a blue snipe or because he was onto someone. this attack on Foolishness is completely unnecessary. Foolishness has been absolutely not scummy until the point when he got shot. If I were a medic, he would have been one of the persons I would have considered to protect. Moreover I understand Foolishness vote on mig but I don't agree. If I think he's scum, I'll attack him. Deal with it. As I said before, we should focus RayzorFlash right now. If he's guilty, we got a lot of informations about all the people that were afk during the end of day1. | ||
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