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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 17 2011 20:34 GMT
#54
/in
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 18 2011 21:55 GMT
#137
/confirm
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 08:40 GMT
#217
ah well, it's not a big deal if everyone trolls at the beginning of the game. Also huge sum-up posts are not necessary... everyone should read the thread on his own.
We need 2 lynchcandidates and we should have them in about 12 hours. We get them by pressuring people and see who defends them etc. If we have one mafiaguy amongst them, we got this game, because mafia tends to be stupid and defends each other, while a townie will get beaten up by everyone if he acts suspicious by accident.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 08:50 GMT
#218
hmm i thought about putting my vote on navillus, because of his attack on kurumi.
at that point of the game, almost everyone trolled around and everyone knows that kurumi won't stop trolling if you vote on him... Don't know... seems suspicious to me.
I mean, it's easy to accuse kurumi and pretend to be the "angry townie" who wants to have everyone scumhunting seriously etc.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 09:04 GMT
#220
Erandorr
nard
Munk-E
Vain
Sevryn
darkponcho

are our lurkers right now. I love making lists.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 09:14 GMT
#222
On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?

##Vote DropBear


i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people.
Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad.

##Vote DropBear

and before anyone jumps on me like:
"wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 09:39 GMT
#225
On August 19 2011 18:34 Varpulis wrote:
hey guys, your pressure won't work if you say that it's pressure.

just sayin. When you vote, vote for scum. Vote with the intention of lynching whoever you're voting for. Don't just mindlessly vote for people for "pressure," and if you are, for the love of god don't tell the person that you're voting for that it's pressure.


okay well, it's not exactly pressure what i wanted to achieve, i think it's more like get this game going.
but you're right. Maybe it's not good to explain everything you do.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 10:05 GMT
#227
On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote:
Okay good morning guys.
So just to quickly give you my thoughts on what has been going on (I will also try to get some information in every sentence -.-)
Lynch lurkers - I agree ? I am sorry not to say more there but everything that had to be said was said already and no one should waste more time on this.

Now just concerning the last few posts, supersoft I think you are behaving like an idiot.
You really have not contributed anything up until now, and all you think of is whom to vote after the first couple of hours. We have 48 hours to get to a vote, not 10 minutes like SC2 Mafia.
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?

Palmar - Well I guess DB is mafia then :D

Oh and lastly we should at least try to keep the fluff out of the posts. There were so many posts were you could esentially drop more then half of the text without losing any of its meaning.
For some people this will be TL:DR


pff. you're just pissed that i put you on my list.
i nevery denyed that i bandwagoned. But in my opinion a bandwagon is not a bad thing as long as people keep following the action.
I also said something about summary posts. They are useless. And I didn't vote for you, so I don't understand what you mean by: "you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now" I didn't vote for you.... thus far.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 10:30 GMT
#232
On August 19 2011 19:22 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 19:08 Varpulis wrote:
On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote:
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?

why so defensive bro?


Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book). But he made this long post how he will get the Scum, hunt down the scum, will vote for the scum. And thats all. And that pissed me off because he just used the 1 liner from Palmar to, wait for it , hunt down the Scum. I mean DB has not contributed in any way and would make a good target but supersofts argumentation is rubbing me the wrong way already, or the lack of it. Its a lot of anti Scum talk without backing it up in any way. Just look at his posts.


yeah, well i don't get what you want to tell us.
Who made this long post? DB or me?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 10:47 GMT
#236
On August 19 2011 19:22 Erandorr wrote:
Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book).


I also noted, that you defend DB here. That's very kind of you.
Now I explain, why DB is a better target than the guys from my lurkerlist:
Lurkers lurk, if you accuse them, they just won't show up until some other guy gets under fire. So accusing the lurkers is useless to get some real discussion going. By real discussion I don't mean these useless policy posts.
If we don't found a proper target for our lynch at the end of the day among the people who don't lurk,
we always have to opportunity to lynch a lurker instead - if he doesn't get modkilled anyways.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 10:54 GMT
#238
On August 19 2011 19:51 Palmar wrote:
we already found a proper target!


we found two. it's DB and his scumbuddy errandorr
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 16:53 GMT
#277
On August 20 2011 01:49 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 01:43 Palmar wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:40 RayzorFlash wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:07 Sevryn wrote:
Nice stealth vote ray


Your post seemed like obvious scum to me, the scummiest post so far, and I will most likely be away for the rest of the day so I put in a vote against you... I'll check back later and see if I have to change it, but I doubt if I will :p


how about you vote the crazy australian with a cricket bat instead?

I think it was the crazy Icelander with a snow shovel.


hey, do you buy nards story, that he's "damaged" from a former game and therefor not suspecting anyone?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 17:51 GMT
#287
On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:
OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear".

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On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:
you guys are fucking lazy and boring.

Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan.

Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time.

Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682

He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way.

SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM

The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2?

I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.



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On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:
On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?

##Vote DropBear


i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people.
Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad.

##Vote DropBear

and before anyone jumps on me like:
"wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.

My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm".

How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel?

What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.




no random defense because i know it's a stupid idea. random defense because i know it's a good idea, but people who are stupid disagree.
tell me what you think about nards post please
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 18:21 GMT
#293
no.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 19:10 GMT
#321
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 20 2011 03:51 DropBear wrote:
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On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote:
Point being, Palmar, we know you want us to lynch DropBear. DropBear, we know you want us to not lynch you. Arguing about it just takes up space.

Suits me.

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On August 20 2011 03:39 Erandorr wrote:
By the way DB do you think that inofficial mayor role will ever be used in this game? you would have to have half voting for player A against the other half voting for B. And to be completely frank do you really think you would be a good fit for that role right now , with all the shit you seem to be getting from quite a few people in here?
It sort of seems like you are trying really hard to get a good position that screams "I am not scum" and that is very unlikely to ever matter at all

The point of it is to ensure a no-lynch never happens. It would only be used if it looks like a no-lynch is imminent. It's a contingency.
The only person giving me shit is Palmar lol.

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On August 20 2011 03:43 Varpulis wrote:
do we need to elect that lol? If you want to switch your vote to make sure that somebody dies feel free, and be prepared to be held responsible for the results.

Alright fair enough, I will do so if the situation arises.


"I will do so if the situation arises."

why is it necessary to say that now? it's not. I think, you just want to give away the responsibility for your votedecision.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 22:53 GMT
#338
On August 20 2011 07:38 BrownBear wrote:
Which is why i said lynch SEMI-ACTIVES, not inactives. Dude, come on.

Semi-active != inactive.


so you are convinced, that neither palmar nor DB is scum. Therefor you search a new target among the semiactives. I agree with that plan.

On August 20 2011 05:09 xtfftc wrote:
##Vote: Palmar

He obviously had something in mind and there's no way he wasn't aware of how his accusations would be perceived by the rest of us.

However, his strategy hasn't benefited town by now. He has until the deadline to convince me to vote DropBear or BrownBear. If nothing meaningful comes out of the discussion initiated by him, I'd rather have one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around.

I'd also like to point out that it shouldn't be that difficult to convince me to switch to DropBear, considering DropBear's behaviour.


ah, okay I understand, you vote for palmar, not because you think he's scum, but because he didn't convince you to vote for DB. This is scumlogic. Town doesn't vote people for playing bad. Town votes for scum.

Compared to DP, who proposed some really useless plans like this unnecessary mayorthing, your stuff seems more scummy to me.

##unvote
##vote: xtfftc
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 23:41 GMT
#344
On August 20 2011 08:01 Curu wrote:
Wanna see worse scum logic? Town voting someone to sheep, then unvoting when called out for it cause he "doesn't want to get lynched."


hmm, sevryns behavior had something innocent in my eyes i don't know... Somehow I tend to buy that story...
I mean the whole thing started like that: Basic situation:
He knew Palmar from former games; and we all know that palmar played some good games for town recently - Palmar accuses DB; I jump on that wagon but declare it as a pressurevote. Varp shows up, says pressurevotes only work if you don't say it's a pressurevote (i 75% agree with that statement)
Now the poor sevryn sees all this: he also wants to contribute something by pressurevoting, so he fakes his reason and follows varps advice and gets caught immediately...
However that doesn't mean he's town.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 19 2011 23:47 GMT
#345
On August 20 2011 08:03 Mig wrote:
Sevryn is by far the scummiest. His vote on DB had a ridiculously scummy reason behind it. After he got called out on it he back peddles and claims it was just a pressure vote. And he says he didn't see anything scummy about DB and his only reason for pressure voting was again because of something palmar did it swedish mafia. And then he says he took the vote off not really because he thought db was innocent but he didn't want to get lynched for bandwagoning lol. Sevryn is just lol scum.


okay, I thought about that... I somehow missed, that he never thought that DB was scummy... that adds a new perspective to the story... I mean I suspected DB at the point of time I voted him and I still do... But why on earth should I pressurevote an in my eyes innocent player... That doesn't make any sense. Even if I put more pressure on him than my Bachelorthesis I am currently doing puts on me, I won't get any information, because he has none.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 20 2011 09:37 GMT
#390
On August 20 2011 16:52 QuickSilver7 wrote:
Hi everyone, here are some scummy posts and general observations.
First up is Trotske:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 08:40 Trotske wrote:
On August 20 2011 08:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh, forgot to add:

## vote Sevyrn

defend yourself, scum.


I agree I think Sevryn is looking pretty scummy but I am curious what you guys think about Foolishness this is his one post after the game started.

On August 20 2011 05:00 Foolishness wrote:
##Vote: DropBear for Mayor


he agree's with dropbears mayor plan which gives one person the power to decide between tow people and chooses someone who hasn't been acting super pro town. This scream scummy to me, inactive and then comes in with a single line to vote on a not very town plan imo.

so until he defends himself some more i'm goign to vote sevryn but foolishness needs to post something more or I am going to start pushing for his lynch.


What this post says: “hey guys I wanna go with the current bandwagon but if my argument against foolishness gains any supporters I’ll be happy to jump ship.” Why is this scummy? Because you’re supposed to vote for the person you believe is most likely to be scum. His vote is on sevryn until he posts more but he says that foolishness needs to post more or he’ll vote him as well. He doesn’t seem to be voting for someone he feels is scum. If you don’t have a good read on someone then don’t vote them, this seems pretty basic.

Next up is hiro protagonist:
Here are his posts
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 19 2011 13:51 hiro protagonist wrote:
this game started all ready?

Palmar is scum.

See you in the morning!

On August 19 2011 13:54 hiro protagonist wrote:
QuickSilver7 gets my vote for best opening post.

On August 19 2011 13:59 hiro protagonist wrote:
your right, I was Trolling.
I Was just joining in the fun that was the first few pages of this thread.
Be sure that the rest of my posts will look like your first one did.


Absolutely worthless if he’s town, great job lurking if he’s scum. I have a slightly scummy read on him atm but there is a better target as I’ll illustrate.

Our scum dying today is xtfftc, he does the same thing that Trotske does.

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On August 20 2011 05:09 xtfftc wrote:
##Vote: Palmar

He obviously had something in mind and there's no way he wasn't aware of how his accusations would be perceived by the rest of us.

However, his strategy hasn't benefited town by now. He has until the deadline to convince me to vote DropBear or BrownBear. If nothing meaningful comes out of the discussion initiated by him, I'd rather have one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around.

I'd also like to point out that it shouldn't be that difficult to convince me to switch to DropBear, considering DropBear's behaviour.


So lemme get this straight, he votes Palmar to try and get Palmar to convince him that DB or BB are scum? He doesn’t even think Palmar is scum but he’s fine killing him if it means “one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around” Townies throw accusations around not mafia, mafia want to lurk where they won’t be seen.
He also picks DB and BB as people who he’d switch to if Palmar magically convinces him that one of them is scum. However he doesn’t give any reasons why he’d vote for these people other than a very vague reference to DB’s “behavior.” Look who’s throwing around arbitrary accusations now. Xtfftc is the scummiest person in my eyes so let’s look beyond this post.
Here is another:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 08:46 xtfftc wrote:
On August 19 2011 08:38 Curu wrote:
We already had a mess of a first day in Personality with everyone trying to roleplay.

What point are you trying to get at xtfftc?

I don't have anything to add really - as long as we're all active, all is good. I'd just bear in mind that people don't want to die, even in a game.

Woa red flags going up all over the place, for context xtfftc was posting some troll crap at the beginning about democracy and random stuff which Curu called him out on. Firstly he says he has nothing to add, bad bad bad, as a townie you can always add to the discussion. For context, this post comes in the middle of a discussion about lynching lurkers and different lynch organization techniques. A townie should have lots to say on this subject, after the lynch is how we’re killing scum. Yet xtfftc doesn’t address any of this and skates by with a very neutral “as long as we're all active, all is good.” Then he drops the bomb “I'd just bear in mind that people don't want to die, even in a game” a townie would be happy to die, every townie that dies at night is a blue that didn’t get sniped (or a medic failure lolol ). Townies should have no fear of death and be contributing as much as possible, any reticence towards posting indicates something to hide and that indicates scum.

Anyway next post:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 18:06 xtfftc wrote:
On August 19 2011 10:46 GreYMisT wrote:
EBWOP please replace the second quote in the above post with the following.

On August 19 2011 08:12 xtfftc wrote:
On August 19 2011 08:06 chaos13 wrote:
On August 19 2011 08:03 xtfftc wrote:
Surely the Mafia is aware that open discussion is the ordinary citizens' strongest weapon and are thus likely to target those who are unafraid to speak their minds? A dictator always targets the means of communication: the media, the internet, etc.


Yes. Does that mean we should all lurk? No. If everybody discusses in a productive way, mafia will have trouble blending in and providing the same level of constructive input, and suddenly those extremely pro-town players don't become such high profile targets, because everyone is joining in to an equal degree.

I agree, of course. If the whole population takes part in the democracy process, the people become too powerful to be messed with. But it often takes just one ordinary citizen to show signs of cowardice - and suddenly we see a snowball effect affecting the whole town.


On August 19 2011 10:45 GreYMisT wrote:
But in the below post he contradicts himself by saying that if 1 person doesn't post, we all lose.


Snowball effect = one person deciding to do something and the others following. One person is not a problem unless the others follow suit.
I apologise if the way I expressed myself was a bit hard to understand but by twisting my words all you do is make me suspicious.


On August 19 2011 10:56 Navillus wrote:
Well then, xtfftc, same questions, what are your thoughts on lurkers, lynching them, using town KP on them, and making a list?

I already explained my position on lurkers and their effect on the game. Asking me to repeat myself is generating spam - and we all know who benefits from spam.

As for lynching/using town KP on them is fine as long as we don't have better leads. Making a lurkers list is good as long as we don't set some arbitrary posting criteria. However, the active players appear to be unimpressed by your overzealousness and I don't think that they will allow your views on it to influence voting too much, so I'm fine with the idea.


And something unrelated - it would help the game a lot if we start every name with a capital letter; it makes reading page after page much easier. So Xtfftc instead of xtfftc, etc. I don't expect everyone to start doing it but just consider it, please.


The nested quotes here show the little exchange about democracy I was talking about earlier. Now I would have let that whole thing go as early game trolling and not taken anything he said seriously, but rather then say “oh hey nbd I was just trolling”, xtfftc chooses to defend his comments which means he meant them, if he mean them than GeyMist’s argument for xtfftc’s posts being scummy is suddenly relevant. Beyond the democracy exchange this post also rehashes stuff others have been saying about lurkers and town KP, adding nothing new to the table. The very definition of CWC.

My vote is going on xtfftc. He’s made several scummy posts and contradictions and his lynch reasoning is truly appalling. The other people I mentioned earlier in this post are good secondary targets, FOS on all of them as I’ll be pushing for them tomorrow.

Random closing thoughts
I agree with Foolishness on Mig, I won’t repost his argument here.
Currently facing modkill are: darkponcho, Barundar
FOS BrownBear
I doubt that Palmar, DB, or sevryn are scum. None of them have made a very glaring scum post yet. DB’s mayor thing is retarded but it’s really not something a scum would do. Things may change in later days but currently there are much better lynch candidates out there.


perfect. I have nothing to add. My vote stays on xtfftc - and I want to encourage you all to filter him and make your own toughts about his posts.

regarding the severyncase, someone called my "defense" wishywashy; First of all, I wasn't defending him, I just explained that I can understand his thoughprocess. What I wanted to point out with that summary of his thoughtprocess is, that I think this could have happened to everyone.
His action could either be explained with him being town wanting to get something going or by him being scum wanting to look useful.
However I'll be there for the lynch to make sure someone gets lynched. I am fine with sevryn, but i'd prefer xtfftc
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
August 20 2011 13:38 GMT
#398
On August 20 2011 22:05 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 11:11 Palmar wrote:
Anyone who thinks I'm promoting pro-mafia atmosphere needs to have his head checked. I took this thread and turned it from discussing vague plans and policies to a full-out scumhunting festival.


No Palmar, I do not want to blame you excusivly , but look at what this thread is looking like right now. You want either DB or BB dead depending on who is disagreeing with you more (and I do not think either of them are completely certainly Scum)
Other then that , right now basicly everyone seems to have their target but I am actually getting a bit scared that we will not get our shit together until the first night is there.


Lucidity
ghrur is now Barundar
Jackal58
xtfftc
hiro protagonist
Erandorr
darkponcho
Vain
chaoser
GreYMisT
nard
Sevryn
Pyo
Kurumi
DropBear

these guys haven't voted yet. Since not all of you can possibly be scum, I encourage you to vote in the next 2-3 hours, so we can see who the maintargets are.
It has been said many times before in this thread: A no lynch would be very bad.

In order to have enough time to sort things out and discuss our maintargets: Go to vote!
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