TL Mafia XLIV

On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?

##Vote DropBear

On August 19 2011 18:34 Varpulis wrote:
hey guys, your pressure won't work if you say that it's pressure.

just sayin. When you vote, vote for scum. Vote with the intention of lynching whoever you're voting for. Don't just mindlessly vote for people for "pressure," and if you are, for the love of god don't tell the person that you're voting for that it's pressure.

On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote:
Okay good morning guys.
So just to quickly give you my thoughts on what has been going on (I will also try to get some information in every sentence -.-)
Lynch lurkers - I agree ? I am sorry not to say more there but everything that had to be said was said already and no one should waste more time on this.

Now just concerning the last few posts, supersoft I think you are behaving like an idiot.
You really have not contributed anything up until now, and all you think of is whom to vote after the first couple of hours. We have 48 hours to get to a vote, not 10 minutes like SC2 Mafia.
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?

Palmar - Well I guess DB is mafia then :D

Oh and lastly we should at least try to keep the fluff out of the posts. There were so many posts were you could esentially drop more then half of the text without losing any of its meaning.
For some people this will be TL:DR

On August 19 2011 19:22 Erandorr wrote:


Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book). But he made this long post how he will get the Scum, hunt down the scum, will vote for the scum. And thats all. And that pissed me off because he just used the 1 liner from Palmar to, wait for it , hunt down the Scum. I mean DB has not contributed in any way and would make a good target but supersofts argumentation is rubbing me the wrong way already, or the lack of it. Its a lot of anti Scum talk without backing it up in any way. Just look at his posts.

On August 19 2011 19:22 Erandorr wrote:
Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book).

On August 19 2011 19:51 Palmar wrote:
we already found a proper target!

On August 20 2011 01:49 Jackal58 wrote:

I think it was the crazy Icelander with a snow shovel.

On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:
OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear".


The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2?

I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.

---

My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm".

How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel?

What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.

On August 20 2011 07:38 BrownBear wrote:
Which is why i said lynch SEMI-ACTIVES, not inactives. Dude, come on.

Semi-active != inactive.

On August 20 2011 05:09 xtfftc wrote:
##Vote: Palmar

He obviously had something in mind and there's no way he wasn't aware of how his accusations would be perceived by the rest of us.

However, his strategy hasn't benefited town by now. He has until the deadline to convince me to vote DropBear or BrownBear. If nothing meaningful comes out of the discussion initiated by him, I'd rather have one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around.

I'd also like to point out that it shouldn't be that difficult to convince me to switch to DropBear, considering DropBear's behaviour.

On August 20 2011 08:01 Curu wrote:
Wanna see worse scum logic? Town voting someone to sheep, then unvoting when called out for it cause he "doesn't want to get lynched."

On August 20 2011 08:03 Mig wrote:
Sevryn is by far the scummiest. His vote on DB had a ridiculously scummy reason behind it. After he got called out on it he back peddles and claims it was just a pressure vote. And he says he didn't see anything scummy about DB and his only reason for pressure voting was again because of something palmar did it swedish mafia. And then he says he took the vote off not really because he thought db was innocent but he didn't want to get lynched for bandwagoning lol. Sevryn is just lol scum.

On August 20 2011 16:52 QuickSilver7 wrote:
Hi everyone, here are some scummy posts and general observations.
First up is Trotske:


What this post says: “hey guys I wanna go with the current bandwagon but if my argument against foolishness gains any supporters I’ll be happy to jump ship.” Why is this scummy? Because you’re supposed to vote for the person you believe is most likely to be scum. His vote is on sevryn until he posts more but he says that foolishness needs to post more or he’ll vote him as well. He doesn’t seem to be voting for someone he feels is scum. If you don’t have a good read on someone then don’t vote them, this seems pretty basic.

Next up is hiro protagonist:
Here are his posts
+ Show Spoiler +
Absolutely worthless if he’s town, great job lurking if he’s scum. I have a slightly scummy read on him atm but there is a better target as I’ll illustrate.

Our scum dying today is xtfftc, he does the same thing that Trotske does.



So lemme get this straight, he votes Palmar to try and get Palmar to convince him that DB or BB are scum? He doesn’t even think Palmar is scum but he’s fine killing him if it means “one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around” Townies throw accusations around not mafia, mafia want to lurk where they won’t be seen.
He also picks DB and BB as people who he’d switch to if Palmar magically convinces him that one of them is scum. However he doesn’t give any reasons why he’d vote for these people other than a very vague reference to DB’s “behavior.” Look who’s throwing around arbitrary accusations now. Xtfftc is the scummiest person in my eyes so let’s look beyond this post.
Here is another:

Woa red flags going up all over the place, for context xtfftc was posting some troll crap at the beginning about democracy and random stuff which Curu called him out on. Firstly he says he has nothing to add, bad bad bad, as a townie you can always add to the discussion. For context, this post comes in the middle of a discussion about lynching lurkers and different lynch organization techniques. A townie should have lots to say on this subject, after the lynch is how we’re killing scum. Yet xtfftc doesn’t address any of this and skates by with a very neutral “as long as we're all active, all is good.” Then he drops the bomb “I'd just bear in mind that people don't want to die, even in a game” a townie would be happy to die, every townie that dies at night is a blue that didn’t get sniped (or a medic failure lolol ). Townies should have no fear of death and be contributing as much as possible, any reticence towards posting indicates something to hide and that indicates scum.

Anyway next post:


The nested quotes here show the little exchange about democracy I was talking about earlier. Now I would have let that whole thing go as early game trolling and not taken anything he said seriously, but rather then say “oh hey nbd I was just trolling”, xtfftc chooses to defend his comments which means he meant them, if he mean them than GeyMist’s argument for xtfftc’s posts being scummy is suddenly relevant. Beyond the democracy exchange this post also rehashes stuff others have been saying about lurkers and town KP, adding nothing new to the table. The very definition of CWC.

My vote is going on xtfftc. He’s made several scummy posts and contradictions and his lynch reasoning is truly appalling. The other people I mentioned earlier in this post are good secondary targets, FOS on all of them as I’ll be pushing for them tomorrow.

Random closing thoughts
I agree with Foolishness on Mig, I won’t repost his argument here.
Currently facing modkill are: darkponcho, Barundar
FOS BrownBear
I doubt that Palmar, DB, or sevryn are scum. None of them have made a very glaring scum post yet. DB’s mayor thing is retarded but it’s really not something a scum would do. Things may change in later days but currently there are much better lynch candidates out there.

On August 20 2011 22:05 Erandorr wrote:


No Palmar, I do not want to blame you excusivly , but look at what this thread is looking like right now. You want either DB or BB dead depending on who is disagreeing with you more (and I do not think either of them are completely certainly Scum)
Other then that , right now basicly everyone seems to have their target but I am actually getting a bit scared that we will not get our shit together until the first night is there.