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QuickSilver7
Russian Federation69 Posts
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QuickSilver7
Russian Federation69 Posts
Kurumi's spam, while annoying, isn't lynch worthy at the moment. The reason for this is that it seems unlikely a scum team would let one of their members go crazy like that. I like Navillus's lurker policy, particularly this post: On August 19 2011 09:23 Navillus wrote: No Kurumi I'm saying Town KP should shoot lurkers period, the reason I'm saying it's not feasible to get every lurker killed is a combination of there being many lurkers, limited town KP, and I'm not dumb enough to say lurkers should be the top priority kills, just good options at any time. If I had my way we would kill every lurker. Now like you said good scum will not lurk, I'm fine with this because we will be able to get reads on them, there it just becomes a fight between analysis and clever scum play which I'm much happier with than the crapshoot of a dozen lurkers who you can't get a read on. Now with the active lurkers they will either talk enough that we do get reads on them, or end up on the list for talking but not contributing, assuming I make it the list correctly. This is pretty protown stuff here imo. I have a generally feeling that the game has been active enough so far so I'm not overly worried about lurkers for now but Navillus's policy is good if we develope lurker infestation. Oh but real quick Navillus, lurker lists are good but Kurumi was right when he said they can be a form of contributing without contributing, make your lists but make sure you analyize the information you find. JeeJee you're trolling and not contributing. All your posts can be simplified down to "you can't do anything until people contribute so just sit back until people contribute." This is a great way kill discussion as everyone will just sit back and wait for everyone else to contribute. I understand you may not feel like there's anything out there but this becomes a tragedy of the commons situation, if one person doesn't contribute because they're waiting for others to contribute, others will start waiting and not working as well, thus dragging the town down. xtfftc has been trolling too. Yo Palmar, care to clarify this? On August 19 2011 11:56 Palmar wrote: didn't I just say? DB is scum. Varpulis, you gotta do better than this: On August 19 2011 12:58 Varpulis wrote: to be quite honest i completely skipped Navillus' wall of text. As always, i think we should declare an open season against lurkers. If scum lurk, they die. Period. why is kenpachi smurfing as lucidity? This is your one post in the thread -_-. Pl0x contribute and such. Lots of notable names inactive or just trolling, however I do like the fact that discussion has involved more than just three people screaming at each other. If the vets get their asses in gear and a few more lurkers join the party then we'll have a fairly active town (at least by TL standards). Will try and have an analysis or two up in the next 14 hours if the thread is active enough to provide info (and JeeJee, I'll be here to try and make it active. Even though I don't have enough information to analyze someone yet, as a townie it's my job to create a thread environment that is conducive to productive town. This is what you should be doing rather than complaining about lack of info). | ||
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QuickSilver7
Russian Federation69 Posts
On August 19 2011 13:51 hiro protagonist wrote: this game started all ready? Palmar is scum. See you in the morning! The hell is this? People, try and at least contribute Something if you're gonna come barging in and make statements like this. Or stop trolling if that's what you're doing. | ||
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QuickSilver7
Russian Federation69 Posts
On August 19 2011 13:54 hiro protagonist wrote: QuickSilver7 gets my vote for best opening post. especially when compared with your gem -_- | ||
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QuickSilver7
Russian Federation69 Posts
First up is Trotske: On August 20 2011 08:40 Trotske wrote: I agree I think Sevryn is looking pretty scummy but I am curious what you guys think about Foolishness this is his one post after the game started. he agree's with dropbears mayor plan which gives one person the power to decide between tow people and chooses someone who hasn't been acting super pro town. This scream scummy to me, inactive and then comes in with a single line to vote on a not very town plan imo. so until he defends himself some more i'm goign to vote sevryn but foolishness needs to post something more or I am going to start pushing for his lynch. What this post says: “hey guys I wanna go with the current bandwagon but if my argument against foolishness gains any supporters I’ll be happy to jump ship.” Why is this scummy? Because you’re supposed to vote for the person you believe is most likely to be scum. His vote is on sevryn until he posts more but he says that foolishness needs to post more or he’ll vote him as well. He doesn’t seem to be voting for someone he feels is scum. If you don’t have a good read on someone then don’t vote them, this seems pretty basic. Next up is hiro protagonist: Here are his posts + Show Spoiler + On August 19 2011 13:51 hiro protagonist wrote: this game started all ready? Palmar is scum. See you in the morning! On August 19 2011 13:54 hiro protagonist wrote: QuickSilver7 gets my vote for best opening post. On August 19 2011 13:59 hiro protagonist wrote: your right, I was Trolling. I Was just joining in the fun that was the first few pages of this thread. Be sure that the rest of my posts will look like your first one did. Absolutely worthless if he’s town, great job lurking if he’s scum. I have a slightly scummy read on him atm but there is a better target as I’ll illustrate. Our scum dying today is xtfftc, he does the same thing that Trotske does. On August 20 2011 05:09 xtfftc wrote: ##Vote: Palmar He obviously had something in mind and there's no way he wasn't aware of how his accusations would be perceived by the rest of us. However, his strategy hasn't benefited town by now. He has until the deadline to convince me to vote DropBear or BrownBear. If nothing meaningful comes out of the discussion initiated by him, I'd rather have one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around. I'd also like to point out that it shouldn't be that difficult to convince me to switch to DropBear, considering DropBear's behaviour. So lemme get this straight, he votes Palmar to try and get Palmar to convince him that DB or BB are scum? He doesn’t even think Palmar is scum but he’s fine killing him if it means “one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around” Townies throw accusations around not mafia, mafia want to lurk where they won’t be seen. He also picks DB and BB as people who he’d switch to if Palmar magically convinces him that one of them is scum. However he doesn’t give any reasons why he’d vote for these people other than a very vague reference to DB’s “behavior.” Look who’s throwing around arbitrary accusations now. Xtfftc is the scummiest person in my eyes so let’s look beyond this post. Here is another: On August 19 2011 08:46 xtfftc wrote: I don't have anything to add really - as long as we're all active, all is good. I'd just bear in mind that people don't want to die, even in a game. Woa red flags going up all over the place, for context xtfftc was posting some troll crap at the beginning about democracy and random stuff which Curu called him out on. Firstly he says he has nothing to add, bad bad bad, as a townie you can always add to the discussion. For context, this post comes in the middle of a discussion about lynching lurkers and different lynch organization techniques. A townie should have lots to say on this subject, after the lynch is how we’re killing scum. Yet xtfftc doesn’t address any of this and skates by with a very neutral “as long as we're all active, all is good.” Then he drops the bomb “I'd just bear in mind that people don't want to die, even in a game” a townie would be happy to die, every townie that dies at night is a blue that didn’t get sniped (or a medic failure lolol  ). Townies should have no fear of death and be contributing as much as possible, any reticence towards posting indicates something to hide and that indicates scum.Anyway next post: On August 19 2011 18:06 xtfftc wrote: Snowball effect = one person deciding to do something and the others following. One person is not a problem unless the others follow suit. I apologise if the way I expressed myself was a bit hard to understand but by twisting my words all you do is make me suspicious. I already explained my position on lurkers and their effect on the game. Asking me to repeat myself is generating spam - and we all know who benefits from spam. As for lynching/using town KP on them is fine as long as we don't have better leads. Making a lurkers list is good as long as we don't set some arbitrary posting criteria. However, the active players appear to be unimpressed by your overzealousness and I don't think that they will allow your views on it to influence voting too much, so I'm fine with the idea. And something unrelated - it would help the game a lot if we start every name with a capital letter; it makes reading page after page much easier. So Xtfftc instead of xtfftc, etc. I don't expect everyone to start doing it but just consider it, please. The nested quotes here show the little exchange about democracy I was talking about earlier. Now I would have let that whole thing go as early game trolling and not taken anything he said seriously, but rather then say “oh hey nbd I was just trolling”, xtfftc chooses to defend his comments which means he meant them, if he mean them than GeyMist’s argument for xtfftc’s posts being scummy is suddenly relevant. Beyond the democracy exchange this post also rehashes stuff others have been saying about lurkers and town KP, adding nothing new to the table. The very definition of CWC. My vote is going on xtfftc. He’s made several scummy posts and contradictions and his lynch reasoning is truly appalling. The other people I mentioned earlier in this post are good secondary targets, FOS on all of them as I’ll be pushing for them tomorrow. Random closing thoughts I agree with Foolishness on Mig, I won’t repost his argument here. Currently facing modkill are: darkponcho, Barundar FOS BrownBear I doubt that Palmar, DB, or sevryn are scum. None of them have made a very glaring scum post yet. DB’s mayor thing is retarded but it’s really not something a scum would do. Things may change in later days but currently there are much better lynch candidates out there. | ||
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QuickSilver7
Russian Federation69 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:04 Barundar wrote: A foolishness who isn't trolling day 1? What treachery is this? To the guy above me, don't do post by post analysis of players. Noone reads them. :/ clearly you didn't read it because that wasn't a post by post, that was simply illustrating different scummy posts made by different people with an emphasis on xtfftc who I think is scum. If I don't quote scummy posts people won't know what I'm refering to. Now go back and read it. | ||
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QuickSilver7
Russian Federation69 Posts
People should seriously read over the cases against xtfftc and BB again. Both of those are way scummier than sevryn is. (sorry this post isn't up to my usual standards hiro, I just wanna put the breaks on this runaway bus before I leave today ) | ||
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