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On January 07 2012 00:24 jcarlsoniv wrote: PREPARE TO BE MODERATED I've been naughty jcarl. Punish me. | ||
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kitaman27
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![[image loading]](http://manhattaninfidel.com/__oneclick_uploads/2010/08/mayor-mccheese.jpg) Kita for Mayor I may not be the best town player, but I'll always put in the effort. As mayor, I won't play to the emotions game pretending to rage quit or mindlessly tunnel a player. My history shows that I won't go afk midgame or lose interest. I'm always willing to share my opinion and will be upfront with my reads and decisions if I am elected. I'm not a big fan of directing blues, so I won't ramble on how medics should protect vets or how vigs should save their shot on night one. Nothing in the setup sticks out, that hasn't already been discussed to death in past games. I will say, however, that if you are targeted by a mason, don't trust them blindly. Punish the scum mason for contacting you by questioning their motives and push your agenda on them in return. In a large game like this, the most important thing is maintaining a pro-town environment and a healthy thread. The two biggest problems with 50 players is inactivity and spam. Punish people who attempt to comment on neutral targets. Before you post, ask yourself if what you are saying is really that important. Limit the one-liners. It is possible to get to a point where you are posting too much. We should aim for balanced contribution. I could go on talking about lurkers, LAL or my town experience (10 game streak gogo!), but that stuff is boring. At this point, I can't say how I'll use the day one lynch, other than the most likely scum, Let me know if you have any questions. ##Vote Kita for Mayor (or Sheriff) | ||
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On January 13 2012 14:04 EchelonTee wrote: Kita, what makes you a better Mayor than other potential candidates if you yourself say that you are not a very good town player? Most importantly, because I'm town, but I doubt that will convince you  Mainly because I'm active and will be frequently reading the thread with promises to contribute the entire game. Plenty of past mayors get elected based on experience and then lose interest or become busy and don't live up to expectations. I have experience and prefer maintaining a strong thread presence the entire game. As for your comment, what I meant was there are probably 3-4 players that I consider better than me as town. I wouldn't say I'm a poor town player, which is clearly back up by the fact that I haven't lost in 11 months. Not a statistical anomaly at all! (Okay maybe it is.) On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote: /confirm LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot. I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm afraid you have me confused with someone else. I didn't play that game  I'm somewhat surprised bum would vote for me minutes into the game without a real read, but I can't complain. Foolishness, I don't see how it is logical to campaign for another player, considering you know your own alignment. Lets not turn the first day into a discussion on whether or not BM's past incidents warrant risking him becoming the center of attention. The entire game is going to be about BM if he is elected, which is not ideal. You admit there are going to be numerous people that wish to policy lynch him based on his spammy playstyle, how does electing him solve that problem? | ||
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On January 13 2012 15:11 Erandorr wrote: I am wondering, however, why you think that our focus should be to get the roles away from potentially strong mafia players instead of trying to protect potentially good town players in a massive game like this? How did you even come to this conclusion? I don't see anything in his posts that indicate he was suggesting this. Now that bum has taken care of the blue role guidelines, nobody else needs to discuss them. Weak first post from Protact. I missed that there were double lynches in my initial glance at the setup. Generally I think its best to use at least one of them early to generate information and work towards reducing the mafia kp as soon as possible. Finding the first few mafia is always the toughest. | ||
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On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote: cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. Confirmed scum? Quite the conclusion hours into the game. It's hard to take you serious if you're pushing your lynch based on a joke post and a timing issue. Do you honestly believe he is pushing a Wiggles mislynch with his first post? BC is a strong player, but only when he wants to be. Just take a look at his most recent town game. I think I'm more reliable and would be less likely to be the center of attention. He also already had an opportunity at an elected role with the GMarshal game. I don't like Meapak's comments on bum. I don't see how Insane Mafia 2 or Responsibility Mafia would make him a poor mayor choice. His biggest asset is that he is rarely thrown under suspicion as town, which is an important trait to have. I also dislike Meapak's lynch candidate as GGQ, based on two spam posts. There already have been too many one-liners or spam. Can we at least try to pretend we are mindful of this? Macpo's first post was rather lackluster. Hopefully he is more confident and less apologetic in the future. KJ's bodyguards should claim plan is incredibly poor. So is Jackal's. Even if the scum team did subsititute all three bodyguards, they still have to worry about a electoral official being a vet, which would cost them 3 scum or that one of the bodyguards wasn't jailed, which would also cost them 3 scum. | ||
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On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote: Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk? Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards? I think there is a greater chance of the elected officials getting killed off due to claiming the bodyguards publicly, than there is of the scum double substituting bodyguards. There is also the mason threat that the scum team has to worry about if they want to shoot into the officials. Even if we did make them public, it makes a lot more sense to reveal only one, rather than both of them. I don't forsee myself revealing them. Several people have passed on my campaign because of my comment on my town play, explaining that there are other better alternatives. It is uncomfortable to talk about how great oneself is, but I take that comment back. I've carried town in multiple games, gotten night 1/2 hit in three of the last four, and have been as consistent with my reads in recent games as any player: bugs/role (couples), GM/Caller (PYPI), foolishness/chaos/palmar (PTP), majority of scum team (XXXVIII/HP). I'm not as wordy as Meapak or as aggressive as BC, but I think my town results are just as good. VE, you mention that you're voting BM because he is scumhunting. Does this mean you agree with his case on cyber_cheese? Less spam please Palmar. It has gotten to the point of being disruptive. Would you address the concerns that a town Palmar would want to be elected and have control over the lynch? Someone asked me earlier what I would base the lynch on. It would be someone who is talking about neutral topics, summarizing others opinions, or attempting to blend in. On day one, I think its far easy to find someone who isn't posting with town motives, than it is to find someone posting with scum motives. Jayjay's remarks on Echelon potential forced post was nice considering I was thinking the same thing. I'm not willing to pass off Foolishness's BM post as "town, because no mafia would ever do it". Slardar shouldn't be allowed to get away with his opening post and d3's BM policy lynch is weak. | ||
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Why didn't you simply decide to run, get elected based on experience and popularity, and play the mason role as normal without public knowledge? To me, it seems unnecessary to open yourself up to a roleblock. The only benefit I can see is create a mason network for organizing blue information, but a day one claim is too early for this to be relevant and I don't see this as a beneficial plan currently with the thread of scum masons. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote: 3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by. On January 14 2012 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually, thinking about it, I'm for a mass-mason claim. If mafia want to start targeting masons, they're only forcing their masons into the spotlight...and it will keep any non-claimed-mason shenannies to a minimum I think. I disagree with a mass mason claim. A mason is a town favored role. Denying the mafia mason is not the priority. I'd be more than happy if a scum mason tried to contact me, considering they are now pressured into openly sharing their reads. People tend to have loose lips when regarding pms, but if you always consider their motives and agenda then there is no problem. With a mass claim, the scum team is free to pick off or roleblock blues. Suppose there are 4 mason claims and two get shot night one and flip town. Does that tell us anything about the remaining two masons? Not really. | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:45 Jayjay54 wrote: this is a really bad post imo. 1) no it's most certainly not town favoured. the mafia gets to prove read every single PM. while mafia can just target weak players in our team and thus spread confusing. 2) how on earth wouldn't it tell us something about the remaining masons? you say that townies claimed wrong? because in this scenario 4 masons are claimed, 2 are most certainly mafia, aren't they? 1) I guess we have to disagree then. Even if mafia target weak players, those weak players still have logs of the agenda the mason is pushing on them. It is incredibly useful to have someone to bounce ideas off of in private, even if you don't know their alignment. In addition, it generates additional information that isn't available in the thread. 2) We don't know the role distribution. It is just as likely that there are 4 town masons and 0 scum masons as it is that there are 2 town masons and 2 scum masons. For people saying there isn't a downside to a mass mason claim, of course there is. Mafia now has the identities of additional blue roles. Why am I the only one making any sense at the moment? | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:01 Jayjay54 wrote: Man, don't worry about it, you're fine <3 I am just glad that I joined and having some fun here I guess we agree that a powerful town mason can most certainly find scum. I guess we also agree that a powerful scum mason can cause a lot of destruction. Town already has a percentage where he ends up PMing town. And the whole mafia thread backs up every PM to prevent scumslips. Mafia ends up PMing 100% a townie and they will not choose the good players, because they know that they would be at risk. They talk to weaker players and there's a good chance that things are screwed up or a role is found. So again, I think scum mason > town mason and I stand by that, even if I was never involved in such a game. It's just the way my logic sees it. You say, BC can be deadly as town and you're right. Yet he chooses to give away this advantage, because he thinks scum PMs are too strong and even makes it a priority topic. Also, mafia would never mason him, because he's a strong player. What you're overlooking is that a scum mason Palmar probably isn't going to be masoning Macpo, he is likely going to want to talk to bugs or sandroba. The people who are going to be targeted by masons are experienced players because those are the people it is most beneficial to bounce ideas off of. If experienced scum A is masoned with experienced town B, town has the advantage. If we learn that Foolishness is masoning random noob x and secretly trying to role fish and convince him to vig shoot a likely townie, well then he has to risk having the incriminating logs posted against him later on. | ||
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On January 14 2012 14:31 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I feel like Palmar definitely hasn't been the most useless this day. Those who want to kill off Palmar based on his Meta should be waiting far past just day 1. I'm pretty sure everyone has had a day or two where they can't play much. Lynching Palmar at this point is like lynching a lurker. Could you clarify this post Sheth? Which of his posts would you consider useful? Unless his play improves tomorrow, I'd consider pushing for a Palmar lynch. Here is his mindframe as town: On November 23 2011 00:04 Palmar wrote: I consider myself to have failed terribly if I don't agree with the person who is lynched on day 1. That means someone other than me played better than me, and explained his arguments in a way that better related to town. So that means I lost. And I lose all the time. Someone brought up Cosmic Horror Mafia. I lost an argument there on day 1, and we no-lynched. That was my fault. He cares about who is lynched and wants to be the one to decide who dies. Compare this to his current mindframe: On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote: I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day. Numerous people have mentioned that anyone suspecting Palmar is pushing an easy target. If a player is blatantly unwilling to contribute to town discussion, when he has a reputation of being extremely competitive and caring about day one, why give him a free pass? Because a scum Palmar would try harder? I'm not sure that is necessarily the case. On November 10 2011 18:55 Palmar wrote: Given the current hesitation of TL's scum to do anything other than just lurk and pray they can't be found out, the incorrect move in the situation is to lynch GM. If we however can stop for a second and allow us to imagine a world where TL scum doesn't suck, where they do random shit just for the hell of it and to fuck with town Bedtime. I'll try to comment on Prot's case and who I think should be lynched tomorrow. | ||
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On January 14 2012 15:29 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Hes probably posted more original content with those "No thats stupid" sort of comments then myself. How so? His only "that's stupid" posts have been in response to people questioning why he isn't posting. How do you consider this original content? This response is cringe worthy. [B]On January 14 2012 15:29 Liquid`Sheth wrote:[/ @Kitaman I liked his post about Cyrandor. Hes also called some people out for doing things I felt was stupid as well. Who are these people that is calling out? You're really stretching it here. It's fine if you don't believe Palmar should be lynched, but why are you trying to pass off his posts as contributions when they clearly aren't? Even Palmar himself wouldn't say he has posted original content with a straight face. | ||
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Can the OP be updated with the correct deadline? | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:03 kitaman27 wrote: Sorry guys, the OP has the incorrect deadline and I was catching up on the thread thinking I would have more time. I'm around page 62, but I'm voting BM because he is the strongest town read I have at the moment of the post. I'll try to post when I finish reading. Can the OP be updated with the correct deadline? Err nevermind. Apparently it is listed as EDT, rather than EST for some reason -_- | ||
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In regards to the VE jack claim, I'm uncomfortable that he followed through with pressuring the town to elect him based on the claim. He just called BC scummy for the same reason moments earlier. On January 14 2012 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote: BC, I consider your claim to be scummy for this reason: you're essentially leveraging your role to win you this election. Discuss. On January 15 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote: L, I'll prove I'm Jack by shooting tonight and Masoning you tomorrow then. That's my plan. The goal of your role is not to prove you are jack. That means very little to us. Your objective is to do what most benefits town. I strongly disagree with a mason. I'm not even sure why you would consider that over a shot, vet or a medic protect from a town perspective. Foolishness, your election vote confuses me. You open up the game explaining how you would be supporting BM, explaining how he has something to prove and would be easy to read. Initially, I was opposed to this thinking he would only serve as a distraction to the thread and the game would revolve around his mayorship. After BM started posting reasonable, rather than following up with your support for him, you swap to BC instead. Not only do you not comment on Prot's case against BC, you don't explain why you dropped your support of BM. BM, you indicate that you have a strong town read on him due to the trolling, but I ask that you at least consider the alternative, considering he has trolled in scum games as well. p4NDemik's motives seem questionable. I'm curious why he made your town list BM. His entire focus on day one is selecting a mayoral candidate and doesn't mention who he is suspicious of or would like to get lynched. Lanaia is asking a bunch of questions about things that aren't all that relevant to the game. If she were town, I would think there are some more important things to be wondering about. I still dislike Sheth's defense of Palmar. I feel as if he was playing up Palmar's contributions with knowledge that he is town. I'm interested in hearing others opinions on that series of posts. bugs concerns me because he was so focused on Palmar, that he didn't seem very interested on commenting on anything else. From seeing his play in couples and responsibility, he has no reservations about pushing lynches with 100% confidence, having them flip town, and then moving onto his next target. On January 15 2012 12:02 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm pretty sure scum want BM in office over BC. Which probably means BC is town. Kita is scum. dat bitch. This is quite the leap in logic. Scum prefer BM over BC (?) Therefore BC is town (??) Hence, Kita is scum (???) Even after making no posts during the first 48 hours BrownBear still hasn't commented on anything. Surely you have some opinions, even if you aren't able to vote for a candidate? hiro, I'd like you hear your thoughts tonight. erandorr hasn't done anything to make me think he was town, so you should try to change my mind. I could go on about others, but I don't really have the time and I'm not sure how helpful it would even be. I'm much more confident on my town list than my suspects, but posting it doesn't seem very beneficial at this time. I'll try to narrow down the scum targets and make more of a real case against someone during the day cycle. | ||
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