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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 08 2011 17:44 GMT
#10
/in
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 08 2011 21:09 GMT
#16
On August 09 2011 05:48 Ace wrote:
*raises eyebrow*

Are some traits and roles are mutually exclusive? 1 shot Bulletproof Detective isn't possible right? Likewise with Detective/Vigilante?

You claimed "all of the above" in Sleeper Cell.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 09 2011 23:16 GMT
#48
On August 10 2011 01:45 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 01:17 Varpulis wrote:
Is the game really going to have 28 players, or is that just an arbitrary number?

Arbitrary, we can take up to 50ish players

Cool.
Something to do while we're waiting.
[image loading]
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 13 2011 22:28 GMT
#119
On August 14 2011 07:16 Sknowman wrote:
Can somebody explain the concurrent thing in more detail? Cyriandor's explanation was like this:

Explanation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

My head

Do I sknow you from somewhere else?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 13 2011 23:03 GMT
#121
On August 14 2011 07:53 Sknowman wrote:
You sknow me as a fucking git.


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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 12:52 GMT
#147
/Confirm.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#149
Has this thing started?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 18:41 GMT
#155
Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 19:02 GMT
#160
On August 15 2011 03:55 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote:
Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.

So you two are rivals?

Nope. I just wanted to get things rolling and OriginalName was who I picked to get it rolling with. I have no rivals. Thankfully I was spared that this game. I was just following Gmans directions to start yelling at each other.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 19:43 GMT
#166
On August 15 2011 04:36 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 03:44 Varpulis wrote:
btw Nisani is scum


Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote:
Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.



This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it.

Of course it was useless. Wtf could I say of any use with the first post of the game? Let's start a Zodiac list? Let's lynch lurkers? Let's burn the witch? Wtf would you have liked it to say? A 200 word synopsis recapping the highlights of the town mafia guide? All useless shit as well but things scum love to hide in. Kind of like calling a useless post useless.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 19:50 GMT
#168
On August 15 2011 04:46 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 04:43 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 15 2011 04:36 chaos13 wrote:
On August 15 2011 03:44 Varpulis wrote:
btw Nisani is scum


On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote:
Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.



This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it.

Of course it was useless. Wtf could I say of any use with the first post of the game? Let's start a Zodiac list? Let's lynch lurkers? Let's burn the witch? Wtf would you have liked it to say? A 200 word synopsis recapping the highlights of the town mafia guide? All useless shit as well but things scum love to hide in. Kind of like calling a useless post useless.


Spam pisses me off. You should know that by now. I go after spammers pretty much every game. Read some of GMarshal's first posts. He's got the idea of how to do it properly - take the lead, start setting up a pro-town atmosphere. In other words, don't derp and start accusing people of anything. That just wastes time.


Lol. Pretty much every game GMan starts with a town "how to" he's scum.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 20:03 GMT
#173
On August 15 2011 04:52 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 04:50 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 15 2011 04:46 chaos13 wrote:
On August 15 2011 04:43 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 15 2011 04:36 chaos13 wrote:
On August 15 2011 03:44 Varpulis wrote:
btw Nisani is scum


On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote:
Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.



This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it.

Of course it was useless. Wtf could I say of any use with the first post of the game? Let's start a Zodiac list? Let's lynch lurkers? Let's burn the witch? Wtf would you have liked it to say? A 200 word synopsis recapping the highlights of the town mafia guide? All useless shit as well but things scum love to hide in. Kind of like calling a useless post useless.


Spam pisses me off. You should know that by now. I go after spammers pretty much every game. Read some of GMarshal's first posts. He's got the idea of how to do it properly - take the lead, start setting up a pro-town atmosphere. In other words, don't derp and start accusing people of anything. That just wastes time.


Lol. Pretty much every game GMan starts with a town "how to" he's scum.


You are one of the most irritating people to argue with ever.


:p

Sorry man but seriously. I knew my post was useless. GMan had just confirmed that indeed the game was on. I poked ON. Sorry if it offended you.
Now what exactly would you like to discuss right now? Should we start another 5 page dissertation on the semantics we wish to use to define a lurker? If you want to do that I'll return when you all are done.
I think we should begin with a discussion of the mechanics involved in the game. A lot of them are new to most of us. Not the roles but the traits. And the fact that traits can show up any where.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 20:36 GMT
#180
On August 15 2011 03:40 Varpulis wrote:
We need to be careful about lynches in this game. A lot of lynches have ended up tied in the past, and they worked out because of the most votes first mechanic(an example of this is DrH's experimental haunted mafia, day 1 lynch), but could end in disaster in this one. Double lynching by mistake is a good way to lose quickly and painfully.

Also, i'm going to be cracking down on people who are voting for people who are unlikely to get lynched without seriously pushing for such a lynch. It's practically an abstain vote, and abstain votes are scummy as all hell.

So what you're saying is if we don't join your bandwagon we're scum? That's a scum agenda right there.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 20:51 GMT
#183
Ok Varp. I gotcha.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 20:56 GMT
#186
On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I present to you: THE PLAN!!!

[image loading]


CLAIMING

Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:

- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.

- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.

- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.

- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.

Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D

VOTING

Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.

CELLS

Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.

Discuss!

You're the Godfather?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 21:15 GMT
#196
On August 15 2011 06:12 slam500 wrote:
so do we pick our own traits?

Sure. Go ahead.


If you didn't receive a trait in your role PM you probably are just vanilla scum. I accidentally deleted my PM. Who's on our team again?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 21:30 GMT
#201
On August 15 2011 06:25 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 06:11 Sevryn wrote:
On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:
I present to you: THE PLAN!!!

[image loading]


CLAIMING

Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:

- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.

- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.

- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.

- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.

Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D

VOTING

Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.

CELLS

Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.

Discuss!

Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.

"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"

If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.


Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
Sounds like rivals could be of any alignment man.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 21:39 GMT
#203
On August 15 2011 06:31 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 06:30 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 15 2011 06:25 DropBear wrote:
On August 15 2011 06:11 Sevryn wrote:
On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:
I present to you: THE PLAN!!!

[image loading]


CLAIMING

Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:

- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.

- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.

- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.

- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.

Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D

VOTING

Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.

CELLS

Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.

Discuss!

Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.

"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"

If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.


Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
Sounds like rivals could be of any alignment man.

Yeah, but if a rival would be scum-aligned, wouldn't that make it too easy?

I dunno. The last part describing a rivals wincon is confusing to me.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 22:52 GMT
#233
On August 15 2011 07:47 Navillus wrote:
Also on claiming I'm not policy opposed to claims but I think that for it to work someone needs to figure out exactly who should claim, what we do with them when they do, and what we do with people who should have claimed and didn't. This has not been done and it doesn't look like it will be done so I'm against claiming here, especially because in this game we can't know if someone should have claimed and didn't until it's probably too late we know the traits that need claiming not the people so overall I don't think anyone should claim today just for the sake of claiming.

I didn't not so what I think I am is how the will this be.
Makes fucking sense to me.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 22:58 GMT
#237
On August 15 2011 07:54 Navillus wrote:
Jackal would you like me to use smaller words for you, ok I'll try to speak slowly.

I am ok with claims under some circumstances.

This is not one of them.

Don't claim.

Simple enough?

I'm fluent in jibberish. Allow me to translate what you really said.
I'm ok with role claiming. Except for people that shouldn't role claim. But those that should had better do so but how will we know who should and didn't.

That's what you said.
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