• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:44
CET 11:44
KST 19:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !8Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
https://www.facebook.com/WuffyRobotPuppyGermany.On When will we find out if there are more tournament ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1: Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle screp: Command line app to parse SC rep files How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2115 users

Personality Mafia!

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 9 10 11 Next All
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 07 2011 21:49 GMT
#15
Well I got a late PM from Incog so

/in or /confirm if it's still open.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 11 2011 17:26 GMT
#64
F6 F6 F6
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 11 2011 22:34 GMT
#73
F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 12 2011 23:12 GMT
#80
Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaart.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 06:22 GMT
#101
Can we expect it anytime in the next hour?

If not I shall retreat to sleep.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 07:28 GMT
#113
/confirm
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 07:42 GMT
#114
First off thanks Ver and Incognito for the work put into this. I can tell they put a lot of effort in to find roles, lol.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 17:15 GMT
#180
On August 14 2011 00:02 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Since Kurumi is intent on spamming the thread with nonsense about Pokemon, I'm with Jackal on policy-lynching Kurumi barring something crazy scummy from someone else.

PEdit

Kav wtf?

i told you that dt should check me night 1 then
together with a doc visiting me
jackal58 wants me dead and is godfather


What are you trying to say here bud? You trying to say VisceraEyes is wrong? Let me tell you, VisceraEyes is FIVE TIMES the man you are and he is obvtown. So just back off girlfriend, don't be playing with hotties out of your league.

Now, down to business. Let's raise some discussion since there's no setup speculation or sandroba big plan going on here.

If we were to policy lynch Kenpachi, would we get Kenpachi the player or youngminii the Kenpachi role?

Thoughts on Kavdagon (Chezinu) being Cult Leader?

And finally, Kurumi back off sister you ain't hot enough for VisceraEyes.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 17:23 GMT
#181
As for roles = alignment, that should be completely discarded. Trying to win a game just based off of flavour is stupid and allows Mafia to twist it around into Town interpreting it how Mafia wants them to.

Also consider that many of the players in the game won't know the quirks or supposed alignments of many of the old players, so again the possibility of being sheeped into making uninformed decisions.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 17:27 GMT
#184
On August 14 2011 02:25 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 01:57 bumatlarge wrote:
For interpretation purposes, I think it actually might not be a bad thing to figure out who everyone is. Roles most certainly do not pertain to alignment, as attributing a personality to an alignment would make this more of a research game, and scum would be better off not acting as their alter-egos.

It would definitely be profitable to keep in mind who everyone is posting as, to analyze their posts better, but I don't think it's as easy as everyone is making it out to be. It should not be the focus at this point of the game.

Kurumi's posts have been odd. While I'm a huge pokemon fan, reading past the glitter, I'm already seeing errors and assumptions that I wouldn't think any townie would make.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 14 2011 00:09 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 00:08 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 14 2011 00:06 Kurumi wrote:
thanks ver for giving yourself to sandroba he is a genius
btw
this time roles are connected to alignment


What makes you think that?

Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 14:19 Ver wrote:
General Mechanics


Each player is given an alignment along with the identity of a famous TL Mafia player, which includes powers that fit the flavor of the player's identity. Personalities can be taken from (but are not limited to) the TL Mafia Quiz. Other than that, it's a straight up mafia game with a few twists, namely:

Some personalities have post restricitons.
Some personalities have secondary objectives.
Some personalities are required to perform some action.

Of course, these all fit the flavor of the personalities and are intended to spice up the game. Other than the restrictions in your identity PMs, you are encouraged to do whatever you can to roleplay your identity. Above all, have fun with the game!

Warning: I heavily advise you to think twice before roleclaiming.

+ Show Spoiler [List of Potential Identities in the game] +
(Note: Role descriptions will not be given until death)

~OpZ~
0cz3c
Ace
Annul
AttackZerg
BillMurray
BloodyC0bbler
Bumatlarge
Caller
Chaoser
Chezinu
Chuiu
citi.zen
Coagulation
DoctorHelvetica
Dreamflower
FakeSteve
Fishball
Flamewheel
Foolishness
Incognito
JimboSilvers
Kavdragon
Kenpachi
Korynne
L
LSB
LTT
Meapak_Ziphh
Meeple
MrBabyHands
nemY
Pandain
Protactinium
Pyrrhuloxia
Qatol
Radfield
RebirthOfLeGenD
redtooth
Showtime!
Ver
Youngminii
Zona


Role PM descriptions will not be given out until after the game is over. Only alignment and personality will be given.

i think that points it out


I'm not reading that at all. I think it's saying the complete opposite. The other things you say I can understand from whatever personality you may have, but this statement seems convincingly intentional. Care to explain?

i might be wrong i am not native english speaker sorry
i thought about both ways (aka it is linked or not) but i want to see my truth (that is "roles" are connected to alignment)
also kitaman, if i must be crazy how i can stop doing it? ;p
also, please, pick pokemon for me so i can keep up with the lets play


Pick Bulbasaur cause that's all you are to VisceraEyes, a stupid ugly invisible shrub.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 18:02 GMT
#191
I've already asked Incognito, you don't have to do anything special beyond what post restrictions are strictly outlined in your role PM.

So if you don't have a set-in-stone restriction to act like your role, stop it. It's extremely anti-Town by turning everyone into borderline trolls and making everyone hard to read. Scum can blend in oh so easily when everyone's trying their best to parody someone.

Yeah it's fun but we've had our spat, let's get down to business.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 18:17 GMT
#196
Jackal what alignment are you?
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 18:23 GMT
#204
On August 14 2011 03:18 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm town


Well you just cleared whoever has the Bill Murray role as likely Town then. No way a Townie gets a win condition to get a specific Mafia lynched.

Possibility that Bill Murray a 3rd Party, but doubtful unless it's a Survivor or something.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 18:27 GMT
#207
Hi LSB.

In reply to this post:

On August 14 2011 03:22 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 03:14 Kurumi wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:14 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:02 Curu wrote:
I've already asked Incognito, you don't have to do anything special beyond what post restrictions are strictly outlined in your role PM.

So if you don't have a set-in-stone restriction to act like your role, stop it. It's extremely anti-Town by turning everyone into borderline trolls and making everyone hard to read. Scum can blend in oh so easily when everyone's trying their best to parody someone.

Yeah it's fun but we've had our spat, let's get down to business.

From my role PM
If Bill Murray’s identity every becomes known, you must campaign for his death no matter what.

I'm not trying to parody or role play my personality. I'm compelled to get him lynched. Sorry.

thanks god incognito said he will punish roleclaimers
also I call bullshit because I am not bill murray

Coag then? Seems unlikely since Coag doesn't troll the thread all the time


I'd like you to take the advice so brilliantly laid out in this post:

On August 14 2011 03:04 LSB wrote:
Personality fishing is just BS, personalities are not tied to roles and I have no idea why any of you would think that they do. What do you think you can tell me about Syllogism's role or alignment is if you know he is Meapak?


wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 18:35 GMT
#211
On August 14 2011 03:30 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 03:26 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:24 Kurumi wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:18 Kurumi wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:18 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:14 Kurumi wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:14 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:02 Curu wrote:
I've already asked Incognito, you don't have to do anything special beyond what post restrictions are strictly outlined in your role PM.

So if you don't have a set-in-stone restriction to act like your role, stop it. It's extremely anti-Town by turning everyone into borderline trolls and making everyone hard to read. Scum can blend in oh so easily when everyone's trying their best to parody someone.

Yeah it's fun but we've had our spat, let's get down to business.

From my role PM
If Bill Murray’s identity every becomes known, you must campaign for his death no matter what.

I'm not trying to parody or role play my personality. I'm compelled to get him lynched. Sorry.

thanks god incognito said he will punish roleclaimers
also I call bullshit because I am not bill murray


If you're not BM, then why are you trolling as if you are BM?

I never said I am Bill Murray, where did I god damnit?


You decided to make your name Bill in the pokemon theme, have been spamming the thread, and hinted at a rivalry with L?

Kurumi's real name is Antoni
I don't know Bill Murray's real name
though I know someone with Bill as real name
I always spam the thread


So its just a coincidence that you mentioned the BM/L rivalry and jackal has it in his role pm?

I did not think about Bill Murray lol stop fishing my damn personality I was happy enough when everyone thought I was BM and put me in the useless box
also if You mention "rivalry" in jackal's "PM"
it means
Jackal is L (he claims to be town aligned)
and we have Bill Murray somewhere
that would mean that either BM is 3rd Party/Scum or L is Scum/3rd party


How does this make any sense? Why would you give a Townie a win condition that is "oh lynch this specific Mafia member" THAT'S THEIR GENERAL WIN CON ANYWAYS.

Much more likely that Jackal is a Townie with the win con to see another Townie/harmless 3rd Party lynched or Jackal is 3rd Party in which case there's the possibility Bill Murray is scum but still unlikely.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 18:49 GMT
#218
3) You are L. The day has just started and you don't even know your role yet, what do you do?

j) Lynch Bill Murray
Bill Murray was to be hanged. Stammering his protests in short, uncontrolled bursts all the way up to the rope, Bill Murray found no sympathy in the eyes of the few who had turned up to watch his execution.

A tightening, crack, and creak later, and Bill Murray hang dead.

A few faces looked at L, and he just shrugged. "Tomorrow," he said.

Bill Murray the Townie is dead.


If we're going to kill Kurumi, it's because he looks like he'll just be trolling for the rest of the game not because you think he's Bill Murray. That comes down to whether or not you want to policy lynch. But rather than policy lynch Kurumi, who's actually active, I'd prefer a lynch all NOT POSTING ANYTHING EVERS (Coagulation isn't in this game, so Kenpachi would be next).
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 19:03 GMT
#229
On August 14 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote:
Oh and i checked Jackal. hes red


What the fuck is this? You're claiming DT already? Day DT?

Explain.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 19:17 GMT
#242
Both of you shut up about this.

LSB where'd you go?

Do not shoot Jackal. If Kenpachi is Village Idiot, he just randomly picked someone to die. If he's a legit DT he can get off a lot more checks and when something confirms him we'll know that he's legit.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 19:25 GMT
#253
On August 14 2011 04:18 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 04:17 Curu wrote:
Both of you shut up about this.

LSB where'd you go?

Do not shoot Jackal. If Kenpachi is Village Idiot, he just randomly picked someone to die. If he's a legit DT he can get off a lot more checks and when something confirms him we'll know that he's legit.

If he is a DT he is dead tonight


Then Jackal dies the day after. Easy enough.

Either way if Kenpachi is a DT both of them die. Not jumping the gun and shooting Jackal is the best way to go about this because the possibilities:

1) Kenpachi is Village Idiot and Jackal is Town. We don't lose a Townie to the Village Idiot.

2) Kenpachi is Village Idiot and Jackal is Mafia.
or 3) Kenpachi is DT and Jackal is Mafia.

Mafia has no way of knowing which one is true. They have to decide to gamble and let Kenpachi live assuming he's VI and picked Jackal at random because if they kill him and he does indeed flip DT instead of VI then Jackal's dead for sure. But there's also the chance he's a real DT and leaving him alive lets him get off more and more checks.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 19:28 GMT
#254
On August 14 2011 04:24 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 22:25 BarBaPoPPa wrote:
On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm

Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.


there is no reason to ignore evidence that comes into play later than 24 hours into the day u know?

if your gonna just vote some stupid random person, then that's fucking scummy, but it only takes like 2-3 hours to switch the votes if we find scum later in the day.


Never said to ignore candidates after 24 hours, I said if we don't have a decent shortlist getting a lynch will be difficult. I also disagree that its possible to turnaround a lynch in 2-3 hours. Even with evidence that someone is 100% scum, because of different timezones its possible that you won't have enough people online. Couple this with the fact that you're never going to get absolute proof, whats more than likely to happen is people start to switch votes and we end up lynching nobody.

Anyone that comes in with 'new' evidence just before the deadline and tries to swing a lynch should be vigged. They should have presented the evidence earlier or shut up.

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 02:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Yeah, Bum is right. I don't think that names and alignment would be linked directly, as it would break the set-up somewhat through mass name-claims. As well, how would we decide what names are what alignment? I see it as people would be able to just twist it as they see fit, as a lot of players have had good games as town and mafia, or can fit into both alignments. For example, Ace is given as an example role for town in the OP, but a lot of people would probably try to argue that he's mafia as well. It's a very insubstantial way of scum hunting that I think we should try to avoid. Anyone pushing for someone's lynch just based on their name is probably scummy. (Or dumb)

Also, deconduo had a good post about the lynch rules:
On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm

Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.

People not voting for one of the top three candidates at the end of the day should considered scummy as fuck, especially if we don't reach a majority. We can't have anyone throwing away a vote cos of tunnelling/stupidity/OMGUS. Each vote is vital.


I agree with his sentiment, that it will be vital to consolidate votes as the day goes on. We don't want a situation where the vote is split amongst several people each with only a few votes on them, as then we either waste our lynch, or we're forced to try to switch around votes right before the deadline, giving scum a good chance to manipulate the lynch right before it happens. I think a major factor in this, will be people needing to actually think and read, judging who's scummiest, and dropping "protestation" votes and pressure votes (that are for information) before the deadline is up.



-----


Jackal is likely telling the truth. He's been pushing for kurumi to be lynched ever since he claimed BM. Its quite unlike him to fake claim a restriction like that, and seeing as no one has CC'd L I believe him. This doesn't reflect on alignments at all, and in fact I would think its more likely for L to be a mafia personality than Bill Murray.

However it does us no good to have Kurumi troll, and if Jackal is forced to tunnel him then we have two people that are just posting trash. Lynching Kurumi solves this problem quite nicely. He should be one of the people on our lynch shortlist for sure.


So you think it's more likely Jackal is Mafia and Kurumi is Town but you want Kurumi lynched instead?

Hi there scum logic.
wat
1 2 3 4 5 9 10 11 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 188
Rex 20
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3373
Calm 2911
Rain 1610
Bisu 976
actioN 700
Horang2 541
Stork 281
Shuttle 275
Mini 264
Pusan 204
[ Show more ]
Soma 194
JYJ 117
Rush 110
Killer 98
sorry 81
Dewaltoss 76
Bale 43
Mind 42
ggaemo 42
soO 39
ZerO 39
Mong 38
Barracks 36
NaDa 32
Shinee 19
Sacsri 15
zelot 14
910 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Noble 9
Terrorterran 9
SilentControl 8
Dota 2
XcaliburYe188
League of Legends
JimRising 398
C9.Mang0359
Counter-Strike
summit1g7367
olofmeister1452
shoxiejesuss786
allub155
Other Games
ceh9563
crisheroes355
XaKoH 153
Fuzer 98
Trikslyr18
ZerO(Twitch)2
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Light_VIP 54
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Noizen22
League of Legends
• Jankos2492
Upcoming Events
WardiTV 2025
17m
ByuN vs Creator
Clem vs Rogue
Scarlett vs Spirit
ShoWTimE vs Cure
OSC
3h 17m
Big Brain Bouts
6h 17m
YoungYakov vs Jumy
TriGGeR vs Spirit
The PiG Daily
10h 17m
SHIN vs ByuN
Reynor vs Classic
TBD vs herO
Maru vs SHIN
TBD vs Classic
CranKy Ducklings
23h 17m
WardiTV 2025
1d
Reynor vs MaxPax
SHIN vs TBD
Solar vs herO
Classic vs TBD
SC Evo League
1d 1h
Ladder Legends
1d 8h
BSL 21
1d 9h
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 23h
[ Show More ]
Ladder Legends
2 days
BSL 21
2 days
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.