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On August 14 2011 12:30 Kavdragon wrote:
CRAP. I just lost about two hours worth of a post, and I'm a little frustrated about it so I'm going to say this out of character so I don't have to type that up again:
There are 11 people who have posted under 1 post. More than half of them haven't posted once, and the remainder has not posted anything meaningful. This constitutes more than third of our player base and is a REALLY BAD THING. We need to drop the kurumi/jackal argument if we are to make any progress at this point. We need to put pressure on the lurkers, and I don't mean your typical "Should we lynch inactives" type of pressure. I mean real nooses, real stakes, real lynches. We absolutly cannot allow that many players to get off the hook.
Amongst those players are some of the best mafia players in the game. BC, Flamewheel, Fishball, RoL, and Dr.H are just a few of those that come to mind from the list I made earlier. I don't think that we should lynch people who are really good day one, but I do think that we should lynch those who are not as big a risk to lynch. (Not as much to lose by the lynch). These include Barundar, Aidnai, and Node, and perhaps one or two others.
I repeat, we need to focus on the completely inactive because this is worse than I have ever seen in a game before.
Barundar
Aidnai
Node
Who's it gonna be?
it starts already huh? bwahaha, this is amazing-- you know who you're messing with, yet you post it anyway?
Ladies and gentlemen, in the interest of full disclosure, I would like to inform you all that Kavdragon is aware that I have not had internet access until now, as we just arrived home from a road trip today. Additionally, he is in the habit of seeking my opinion for mafia games, which I believe shows a certain amount of respect for my abilities. Now, whether I'm actually any good isn't the point--what is amazing to me though is that I get tossed into a bin of "not much to lose if mislynched" players.
Quick recap:
1) Kavdragon puts me on a lurker list even though he knows why I haven't posted yet
2) Kavdragon downplays my skill in this game when in other games he has repeatedly asked for my advice.
One to add to the list...
3) Deliberately being useless and trolling even after multiple people requested that it stop.
Wanna hear an explanation for all this, since the only thing I can think of off hand is that kav is scum.
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it's OMGUS not chainsaw, dumbass
Also, you conveniently left out the part where YOU got home from the road trip last night, I crashed there and didn't get home till late this afternoon...
for spewing bullshit nonstop this game:
##vote: kavdragon
you are a disgrace to the brown empire
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On August 15 2011 01:00 Kavdragon wrote:Well well, what's it say!? I don't know, I've not opened it yet! Well hurry up you oaf! Read it out loud now! Hmph. Let's see. Show nested quote +
I am pleased to inform you that I have discovered the identity of the Walton in the letter. You really are as good as they say...you already found him. His pseudonym is...Aidnai. But listen to me now. I have found far more devious information, and although I'm afraid I may have put myself in danger finding this out, I must tell you: You are in grave danger. I cannot tell how, or when, but. Well. I'd stay away from Bars.
You realize what this means? I believe so. We must show the town that he is scum. Yes, but we must also do it quickly. Very quickly. Hmm. I've an idea. We are 100% sure that he is scum, right? Correct. 100%. The letter confirmed our suspicions. So...well. A 1-1 trade benefits the town. Are you suggesting.... Yes my friend. It's been good, but even though our analysis of Aidnai was correct, people aren't listening, and they probably aren't even thinking about the fact that Aidnai just disappeared after that. Yes, that's an excellent point. Aidnai came in, defended himself, accused us of not contributing anything to the thread, and then left. Ironic, isn't it? No, I think that would be Hypocritical, but whatever. The point is we MUST kill Walton/Aidnai, and if that means we die too, then so be it.
Hello town. We'd like you to kill Aidnai and Us I. Preferably in that order so that I don't actually have to die, but if not, I'll accept the 1-1 trade, as it still benefits town. Beyond his obviously scum like reactions, I know from my source that he is Evil Scum.
a 1-1 trade huh?
challenge accepted. I agree this is good for town, but in my opinion, lynching you first is the superior option. Keeping my vote where it is.
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And just to be clear with everyone, I am town, I am not walton (more proof that everything kav is saying is BS), and if you lynch me first it will be exceedingly obvious that Kav is a liar and my reaction to him will make sense.
I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if i'm missing anything else important happening. When I logged in finally yesterday I filtered kav's messages first thing and had to respond.
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On August 15 2011 05:33 syllogism wrote:
To add to what kav and sandroba said, the fact that aidnai responded so quickly (28 minutes) to Kav's call out, despite not having posted at all before that, and then disappeared again is quite suspicious. I don't know how to interpret kav's roleplaying/pr, but regardless of that, aidnai seems like the best lynch, especially with pandain dying.
##vote aidnai
I responded to you within 28 seconds HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW?!??
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On August 15 2011 06:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 06:02 Jackal58 wrote:On August 15 2011 05:52 deconduo wrote:On August 15 2011 05:27 Kavdragon wrote:On August 15 2011 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote:First, hai guys. Busy weekend, family's in town, yadda yadda yadda. Second, what. The. Fuck. This is beyond bad. There's a reason a lot of people aren't contributing: it's almost impossible to contribute to this mess without making it worse. I propose that everyone simply stops posting so damn much, and tries to consolidate what would normally be 3 posts down to 1, so that there's a lot less fluff for everybody to digest whenever they want to figure something out or make a point. I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot. I think Kurumi's been detrimental to the town, and I think he knows this. He's done a huge part in establishing the terrible atmosphere we've currently got, and his actions have made it impossible to just ignore the spam he's throwing around. He's gone straight to the chainsaw defense when people call him out, and claimed one of the few roles that would be worth playing risky to keep around. Pandain just made one crucial mistake: even if he's not roleplaying Bill Murray, kurumi is still kurumi. He's still gonna spew nonsensical BS. Personally, I would've rather he just be shot, as it still covers the VI possibility and saves us from any future thread-destroying shenanigans from that particular source. I also find it hard to buy that the Qatol personality would be mafia-aligned, no matter how much everyone says personality != alignment. And since nobody's counter-claimed him, I'm inclined to believe Pandain is both Qatol and town-aligned. On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.
Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.
##Vote: Kavdragon This is an interesting way to interpret kav's actions. I'm not sure I agree with it, though. You say that he's trying to divert our actions. I ask, what exactly is he trying to divert us from? Considering how aimless this game has been, Kav might be one of the few trying to put us on a worthwhile track. I don't think he's necessarily town, but I'm willing to wait and see in this case. It looks like a very obvious (and very successful) attempt to keep town from ACTUALLY hunting scum. Yes, I believe his nonsense is related to his role...but it's still nonsense guys. Waldon? Mysterious communications with anonymous players? Intrigue? NONE of it is scumhunting. ALL of it is ridiculous. I think he's trying to divert us from real scumhunting by claiming that he's doing so with...whoever. Node, you're smarter than this and I think the fact that you're entertaining this farce is extremely suspicious. I would like to point out that I am the only person thus far who has done any "scumhunting" thus far. (As most "analysis" have been poor and not anything that would set a lynch.) I set the trap for inactive people, and Aidnai jumped in it. Silly VE doens't want to give me the benefit of the doubt. A better question: Why not Aidnai? He's only come in to defend himself, and then dissapeared. Do you dissagree with my analysis of his reaction to my pressure? You will notice that I almost never posted something about Walton by itself. I always gave advice to the town, tried to get people to stop spaming, or commented on some situation, and then, as an addendum, added the Walton stuff on. I did this because I knew that nobody would understand Walton, and that it could NOT be the only thing I contributed. Deconduo: + Show Spoiler +We both arrived at a location that was NOT our respective homes, but had internet, firday night. I received my role PM then, and offered to log out and let him check his. He declined. After that he had a few opportunities to get on, but nothing much until about 3 PM PST. He had about 5 hours to post at that point however, yet he didn't even say Hi. So yes, it's not as strong as if he had been looking all day, but it's still extremely suspicious that after being on for ~5 hours, he responded very quickly to my attack. To those of you who think that I'm a cultist: "Recruiting" Kurumi was an attempt to get him to stop spammign, and make him uesful for the town. You will notice that every public action has the hashtag form, and I have never used that. This means that if I have a recruiting power, it would have to be private, in which case why would I make it public that I was recruiting Kurumi? It makes no sense. I am not a cultist, I amd town. (Oh, and there. I deny being anything other than town. Not so sure what's magical about those words, but if you want them, there they are.) That sounds pretty damning to me. My two top scum suspects at the moment are Aidnai and LSB. I would prefer to get LSB lynched but that isn't going to happen with 6 hours left. I'm somewhat aprehensive about trusting you, but you're not dumb enough to offer a 1 for 1 trade if you aren't certain. Don't expect to wiggle out of it if aidnai flips town though. Vote Aidnai Decon- When and where did you post the spoiler in Kavs post???? He didn't, that was Kav addressing him in a spoiler. -_- Aidnai, do you anything else to say about the game, besides just tunneling Kav?
Visceraeyes is scum too.
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No, it's that all of his posts are like this
On August 13 2011 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also don't like Kurumi's spastic posting, but from what I understand that's just Kurumi. Do you think if we just ignore him he'll go away?
Looks like we're in for a pretty uneventful d1. Until more people post, there isn't much to say.
Read his posts and tell me what you think. He's just putting totally surface level thoughts out there with zero follow through.
I'm 100% convinced kav has a wincon or a secondary objective that he is pursuing.
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i wont have another chance to post today, so ill say this now. if i get lynched it is imperativethat kav be vigi hit tonight, not lynched tomorrow.
meh... road trip yesterday, moving out today, starting a new job tomorrow, didn't really have time to play this one anyway.
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