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 The current starting time is my bedtime D: | ||
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A confirmed townie coordinating blues is brilliant. The only problem I can see is if scum impersonates medics. That could give away blue roles/leave our soldier vulnerable. Solution? Just have all medics protect the soldier for night 1. 1 Night of coordinated abilities is quite powerful and we'll have more info on Day 2. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if you read my posts i provided reasons 1. we dont know if there are more than 1 doctor which is kinda important 2. mafia can stack hits to kill the vig 3. vig could shoot doctor ruining everything 4. vig will probably hit town its rare you get a mafia on day 1 much less a successful day 1 vig here ar emore reasons i havent provided yet 5. mafia can use this to keep town focused on the blue network/suspicious of other peoples claims and put attention on the vig and off of post analysis which is what wins games for town what do you consider a real reason it would be nice if instead of unconditional instant support for someone elses plan which is mildly suspicious you read my posts and if my reasons aren't good enough at least say why instead of just saying "youre scum" lol "we've already found 2 scum" its day 1 dont be ridiculous 1. Medics are basically the only problem I see at the moment. I don't think that qualifies as a reason to instantly discard the plan. 2. Having Mafia stack hits reduces their KP, which isn't a bad thing. We'll still have no overlaps on Night 1 from blues. 3. What? 4. That's the case on Day 2 as well. On August 02 2011 07:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if this happens which i hope it doesnt i really hope you're not suggesting he openly tells the blues what to do in irc/thread Another terrible attempt to stop the plan. Why would he be suggesting that? | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so we should kill more townies to get more information? the best thing to do imo is save the town kp for the end when it becomes safer to use, that's how games get won lol' it isnt a skip night 1 simple mafia stack hits on vig ruining everything no wthere are probably 3 dead townies and a wasted town kill power thats a great plan i support it 100%..... If we consider that scum will have to stack the Day Vig, we're trading 1 confirmed town kill for 1 possibly scum kill. It's not a straight up loss and it will be a pseudo lynch effectively. I don't see how this plan will kill analysis either. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:36 OriginalName wrote: This involves claiming. PM claiming = bad. How is it bad to claim to a confirmed townie? | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote: ...lol post the irc chat please, that is not a decent reason. Regardless, have any of you guys a scum saying he's a vig and figuring out who the other shots are at? or a scum saying he's a medic and finding out who's protecting who? I've played games where everyone has claimed to a "confirmed townie" and scum have raped and taken advantage of this, so please don't tell me the plan is faultless. If a vig is willing to use his shot as a lynch then it's ok. But I'm really not sure that day 1 is the best time to have a double lynch. Yeah the day when we have the least information and most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch! There, that's my opinion if you think it's scummy then vote me. Draz post what was scummy in the irc chat please. How will he figure out who the other vig shots are aimed at? How will a fake medic find out who the other medics are protecting? Who said the plan is faultless? I think I'll take your advice and vote for you! ##vote redFF If there isn't a great candidate for day vig I agree with heist's Day 2 proposal. We don't really want to use our vigi's and hatters on Night 1 anyway, do we? Confirmed townie might be more effective on Day 2. The only problem is the risk of losing him on Night 1... | ||
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I think the only time that we should be claiming is if Mafia only have 1 KP left or if a Day Vig hits a Vet, leaving us with 2 confirmed townies. One of them will survive the night and be able to pass on info~ redFF, forever RED? | ||
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On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote: I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum.[/b] I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. [b]By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate. Lol dude wtf? I'm struggling to find any non-scum motive for wanting such a claim. Could you provide me with one? And you're focused on maintaining your appearance as an active townie instead of hunting scum? Good stuff. Mig's going crazy at people for not providing great posts on IRC, yet he's not doing what he's hounding others to do? Scum often employ such strategies. What's the dealio, yo? | ||
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On August 03 2011 04:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: hey aren't you the one that was supporting this plan the most lol why are you taking the easy call out on varpulis for rolefishing when you were basically asking for the same thing lmfao Where was I asking for public role claims? "lmao" And I think you're mistaking my criticism of bad reasons to shut down the plan as support. Like I mentioned earlier, I was operating under the wrong assumption of mass blues. We likely don't have that many so the plan isn't as sexy as I initially thought it was. While there are valid reasons to oppose the plan, some people were presenting atrocious ones seemingly for the sole reason of stopping it - whether there was merit to it or not. | ||
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Can you please stop going on about a mass roleclaim TO A CONFIRMED TOWNIE being a bad thing? It's getting tiresome. | ||
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On August 03 2011 05:32 redFF wrote: on Lucidity. Apparently because people opposed a plan which has very real and obvious faults and holes makes someone scum... Although at this stage he could be just a dumb/inexperienced player not thinking. But calling me and DrH scum because we disagree with the plan is pretty funny. So he see's a vote for me and thinks he can start an easy bandwagon on someone because at that stage in the game the plan had a lot of support. My point was a scum could be like-protecting this guy and if the confirmed townie said don't the scum could infer that that guy already had medic protection. We've already established the plan has major flaws esp on day 1 so i won't go back into that. The vote though doesn't really have any reasoning apart from attacking the plan, the points i was making were valid imo. Also he didn't actually vote for me in the thread, which I find pretty funny. That just seems like mafia trying to kick off a bandwagon and the turning around and looking at the votes and calling people scummy when i flip town... Ok then don't ask other people to do it just do it. This post is complete shit, all it does is ask other people to contribute when he hasn't even contributed himself. ##Vote Lucidity I wasn't saying you're scummy for opposing the plan. Your reasons provided were horrible, which I found suspicious. This isn't worth thread space as it's quite obvious, but if you're interested read the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + On August 02 2011 06:53 redFF wrote: I really dont think vig should shoot day 1. We can't all be redff. Oppose with troll. You seemed to do this in AA also. On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote: Regardless, have any of you guys a scum saying he's a vig and figuring out who the other shots are at? or a scum saying he's a medic and finding out who's protecting who? Horrible. How would they ever figure this out? On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote: I've played games where everyone has claimed to a "confirmed townie" and scum have raped and taken advantage of this, so please don't tell me the plan is faultless. The plan doesn't involve a "confirmed townie". It would be a real confirmed townie. No one ever said the plan was faultless. On August 02 2011 08:54 redFF wrote: So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb? k here's an example. Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him. now mafia know's to not hit player x. This would never happen. Terrible reason. On August 02 2011 09:01 redFF wrote: I'm not comfortable with having 1 townie direct all of the blue actions. What if the townie is wrong about things/terrible? then we are screwed... On August 02 2011 09:39 redFF wrote: I don't see why i am being fos'ed for opposing this plan. Why would we want to enforce a double lynch and use a dayvig shot day 1, when we can use it later game when we have a far higher chance of hitting mafia. All this plan will most likely do is kill 3 townies and lose us a dayvig shot which can be far more useful later on. Idk what the fuck is going on when its a good idea to double lynch day 1. It seems to be the proponents of this plan are just like LETS KILL TOWNIES FASTER!!!!1111ONEONE!!! If anything it's scummy to defend this plan and then just call whoever is against it scum with zero reasoning. We lynch today, vigs for the most part should hold their shots, and we win this game by scumhunting, not by some kooky plan Sandroba made up in 5 minutes. Pros 1. get a confirmed townie 2. Every blue claims to this townie?? Cons 1. Double lynch on the day when we are most likely to lynch town. 2. Mafia can infiltrate pm circle 3. One townie directing all blue actions 4. Confirmed townie will most likely be shot 5. We lose a dayvig shot early when it can be put into far better use later on in the game. Someone please put forward a convincing argument as to why this plan is good aside from pulling a Drazerk and going "lolscum" The pro is coordination and a voice for blues. Avoiding possible death before he uses his shot. 2. There wouldn't be any PM circle. 3. If the townie is super bad it would be bad, but we'd still have the benefit of coordination. 4. Confirmed townie will be shot whether we use the plan or not. The only decent points you raised seemed to be parroting others. Anyway, now you're defending your horrible reasoning again? Your points weren't valid for the most part, except for those that you adopted from others... There's no shame in making mistakes, but trying to defend bad posts' reasoning so that you seem "clean" indicates that you're scared to be wrong. You seemed overly anxious to defend any accusations thrown your way, which is similar to what I experienced as your scum partner in AA. And lol, you're right I forgot to vote for you in the voting thread. I actually find Varp the best scum candidate at the moment after that post I highlighted earlier. But don't worry, I'll vote for you first so that the voting record shows it "when you flip town" (hahaha?) As for the last quote, you might have noticed that I was talking to others who were perma complaining about the plan being a waste of time. I never said the discussion was a waste of time. How is it complete shit? Terrible man ;p | ||
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If you want to continue the discussion about how your reasoning was bad I'd be happy to do it in PM. I feel it's useless spam in the thread. | ||
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