TL Mafia XLIII

On August 02 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if you read my posts i provided reasons

1. we dont know if there are more than 1 doctor which is kinda important
2. mafia can stack hits to kill the vig
3. vig could shoot doctor ruining everything
4. vig will probably hit town its rare you get a mafia on day 1 much less a successful day 1 vig

here ar emore reasons i havent provided yet
5. mafia can use this to keep town focused on the blue network/suspicious of other peoples claims and put attention on the vig and off of post analysis which is what wins games for town

what do you consider a real reason it would be nice if instead of unconditional instant support for someone elses plan which is mildly suspicious you read my posts and if my reasons aren't good enough at least say why instead of just saying "youre scum" lol

"we've already found 2 scum" its day 1 dont be ridiculous

On August 02 2011 08:54 redFF wrote:

So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb?

k here's an example.

Mafia-I will be protecting player x
Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him.

now mafia know's to not hit player x.


I would be more open to this plan day 2 or 3. But all i see is 2 townies getting lynched and losing a dayvig and that person most likely dying the next night.

On August 02 2011 09:20 chaos13 wrote:
DrH has the right idea here. Yes, confirmed townies are excellent. However, mafia can easily fake claim a role like medic or vig, and then we would need to waste our DT checks in order to confirm those claims. Not only that, but we have no idea who the day vig actually is. If it's in the hands of a weaker player, that could lead to complete and utter disaster. Having one player coordinate all the actions of the blues is never a good thing. There is far too much room for error in such a situation, especially since mafia are able to PM and influence the game as well. Ultimately, however, it is up to the individuals with the roles to decide what to do. Discussion about this is very good, but I would rather not waste all day with it. Just something to keep in mind if we're still arguing about it in 24 hours.



Vigis, because there are probably a lot of you in here: Do not shoot unless it is at confirmed scum. If you feel you must shoot anyway, take out lurkers and liars. This sort of common sense is all too often ignored, and results in dead town. Even take DT claims with a grain of salt. If analysis points to a player being town when a claimed check has shown red, proceed with caution. It could be a miller or a scum's fake claim in order to waste a vig shot, especially if the claimed DT player has been under suspicion.

On August 02 2011 11:07 Munk-E wrote:

But player x is protected in this case, and they wouldn't shoot player Y! They'd shoot player Z because shooting Y would give away the role and if x was the obvious one to protect, they'd assume he was protected.

That being said I highly doubt there are 2 medics anyways so if this situation does arise, I would be VERY suspicious of both of them.


As for the plan, I'm quite worried about it. We would have a confirmed townie, which could be nice IF he could manage to efficiently manage the entire game. It seems a bit risky if they're not very good, they might screw it up and reveal roles. Also, the medic would be tied to defending this one person the entire time no matter what. If someone shows they are DT or vigi, then the mafia will just shoot both if we haven't killed 2 by then. In the mean time, the mafia could just kill him outright, or pick 2 people they KNOW won't be protected, and it's entirely up to them. If they do kill him, then we have (likely) 2 dead townies, and be back to square 1! No confirmed townie, just a dead guy, and the guy he killed.I kind of think that people are hoping he does hit a Mafia, but I really don't see the logic in this plan. It's more likely he'll hit someone important on our team than a mafia.

In the end, i suppose it's entirely up to the dayvigi if the plan goes through, but it just seems highly illogical to me.

On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote:
and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum. I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet.

On August 03 2011 19:47 Barundar wrote:
I'm suspicious of curu because of this question and answer:



The purpose of the question is to figure out if mafia can fake a vigi+veteran combo, be considered confirmed town, and proceed to abuse the suggested plan. It's good thinking and doesn't say anything of his alignment as such. The problem is he asks the question, and then keeps it's significance to himself. As I see it a townie who got the idea would proceed to warn the town about it, not keep it to himself.