Who is the Terran King

Midgetman101

United States825 Posts

July 26 2011 08:09 GMT

DISCLAIMER: THERE ARE GSL AND GSTL SPOILERS SO YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!! D:
PLEASE DON’T PROCEED IF YOU DON’T WISH TO BE SPOILED
EDIT 9/10/11 : In light of recent events, new poll added----->
New Poll

Poll: In light of recent events, who is currently the terran king?

IMMvp (1446)

61%

MarineKingPrime.We (486)

21%

SlayerS_MMA (191)

8%

There Currently Is No King (111)

5%

Other Terran Not Listed (35)

1%

oGsNaDa (26)

1%

ST_Bomber (21)

1%

EG.PuMa (18)

1%

OptimusPrime.We (14)

1%

SlayerS_Ryung (7)

0%

oGsTOP (5)

0%

SlayerS_GanZi (4)

0%

2364 total votes

Your vote: In light of recent events, who is currently the terran king?

(Vote): IMMvp
(Vote): MarineKingPrime.We
(Vote): OptimusPrime.We
(Vote): oGsTOP
(Vote): oGsNaDa
(Vote): EG.PuMa
(Vote): SlayerS_MMA
(Vote): ST_Bomber
(Vote): SlayerS_GanZi
(Vote): SlayerS_Ryung
(Vote): Other Terran Not Listed
(Vote): There Currently Is No King

Old Poll

Poll: Who is the King of Terran?

IMMVP (1088)

45%

There is currently no king (734)

30%

MarineKingPrime.We (150)

6%

ST.Bomber (91)

4%

EG.PuMa (84)

3%

Slayers_MMA (84)

3%

ogsNaDa (60)

2%

mouz.ThorZain (49)

2%

Other-Honorable Mentions (49)

2%

OptimusPrime.We (25)

1%

FXOsC (15)

1%

2429 total votes

Your vote: Who is the King of Terran?

(Vote): IMMVP
(Vote): FXOsC
(Vote): OptimusPrime.We
(Vote): MarineKingPrime.We
(Vote): ogsNaDa
(Vote): mouz.ThorZain
(Vote): EG.PuMa
(Vote): ST.Bomber
(Vote): Slayers_MMA
(Vote): There is currently no king
(Vote): Other-Honorable Mentions

As StarCraft 2’s first birthday approaches, it’s nice to take a look back at all the competitions, all of the tournaments, and all of the great matches and determine which players are top tier of each race. At this stage of the game, it’s fairly obvious that (Z)

NesTea is the king of Zerg and (P)

MC is the king of toss, but the king of Terran is much more difficult to determine. It seems like every day, a new Terran emerges and stuns us with his solid macro, multi-tasking, or insane builds. Korea is like a reactored barracks churning out top level terrans at a fast pace. In fact, the top 20 of Korean grandmaster league is predominantly Terran players. The amount of great European and North American Terrans showing up seems to be much slower and the overall skill level seems to be further behind. Overall, there is an abundance of skillful Terrans from all over the world which is why I ask you, Teamliquid forum goers, who the king of Terran is in your opinion?
Contenders for the Crown:
(T)

MVP

Accomplishments:
2nd 2011 LG Cinema 3D GSL Sponsorship League Season 3: Code A
1st 2011 Gainward PlayXP.com StarCraft II Tournament
1st 2011 LG Cinema 3D GSL World Championship Seoul
1st 2011 Sony Ericsson GSL Sponsorship League Season 1: Code S
Overview: At one point in his StarCraft 2 career, MVP was without a doubt the best Terran in the world and possibly the best player in the world. Everyone feared and talked about “The Game Genie” Terran, No Terran could hold a candle to MVP. At this stage though, many Terrans can stand their ground against him and it’s debatable whether he is the best anymore. In the first season of code S, MVP made a joke of everyone he faced decimating his teammate Nestea and plowing through MarineKing 4-0. He played a pivotal role in his team’s victory in the first ever GSTL beating players like Bomber and playing an epic series vs Squirtle. For a while, he was dominant, but then he started to slump getting knocked out of Code S and into Code A. Next season, with renewed vigor, MVP earned himself a silver code A medal losing to Startale bomber 4-2 and earned a spot back into code S. Recently; he was defeated in the ro32 of Code S this season and lost an important match in GSTL vs FXOqxc. His weaknesses seem to be his TvP and his TvT hasn’t looked so hot recently. In a few days, we will see him compete in MLG. Will the Game Genie Terran show the world once again that he is the supreme Terran, or will he fall lower and lower? Only one way to find out, Tune into MLG later this week! :D
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SlayerS_MMA
Achievements:
2011 Major League Gaming Pro Circuit: Columbus

2011 All 4 One Gaming Invitational #2

2011 LG Cinema 3D GSL Super Tournament

SlayerS_MMA started as a SKT1 B teamer and was recruited by BoxeR for his SC2 team SlayerS. In his first game in the GSL he beat Ret and showed his TvZ was not to be messed with. He later came out as the SlayerS ace in most of their team league games, defeating MC, MVP, and DongRaeGu. His final match vs. DongRaeGu showcased his amazing multitasking and great micro as he came back to win from a 40 supply deficit. MMA also won MLG with some amazing holds vs. Losira and July and annihilating his own command center vs Idra. MMA has been on a slump since then. He was beaten 4-0 by Optimus in the Super Tournament finals and was knocked into Code B by Puzzle. MMA will need to show that he is still a contender for the throne this MLG, by defending his title and acquiring the Code S spot.

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MarineKingPrime.WE
2011 SK Gaming Asia Champions Trophy July

2011 Sony Ericsson GSL Sponsorship League Season 1: Code S

2011 Gainward PlayXP.com StarCraft II Tournament

2010 GSTAR StarCraft 2 All-Star Tournament

2010 Sony Ericsson Global StarCraft 2 League Open Season 2

(P)

MarineKing
MarineKingPrime is a player that needs no introduction. He changed the TvZ match up by showing us his amazing marine splits vs Kyrix in GSL 2. However, Marine King is also known as the King of Silver. He has been beaten by MVP in finals twice, and chokes every time he is sent out in the team league. If MKP can deal with his nerve issues then is a very big contender for the throne.
UPDATE: DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED GSL UP AND DOWN MATCHES
+ Show Spoiler +

MKP was knocked into code a changing my opinion on him. I think he needs to get his shit together and start playing like he used too.

"Look at your body. Now back to mine. Now back to your body. Now back to mine. Sadly, your isn't mine. But if you stop lurking TL and work on your game, your body could look like mine. Look down, back up. Where are you? You're in a thread about the body you wish your body could look like. What's in your hand? Back at me. I have it. It's the mouse you wish you could use just like me. Look again. YOUR RANK IS NOW DIAMOND. Anything is possible when your body looks like mine and not JulyZerg's. I'm on a horse."- Nada’s Body poster
(T)

oGsNada
Achievements:
Owner of the Nada’s Body thread
BW Bonjwa
Nada is one of the most consistent players out there. He posts good round of 8 results while studying in one of the best universities in Korea and maintaining his sexy body. He also performs well in the team leagues. Nada plays a safe and solid style of every matchup and has had an amazing BW career, he also is the only progamer with a thread devoted to is body. Once Nada is out of school I feel that will become a top contender again.

OptimusPrime.WE
Achievements:
2011 LG Cinema 3D GSL Super Tournament

2011 SK Gaming Asia Champions Trophy (April)

2011 SK Gaming Asia Champions Trophy (February)

2011 GSL March Code S Wildcard Selection
Optimus is the BEST TvP player anywhere in the world. Polt is 19-5 in TvP and has a 100% record vs MC. Polt had mixed success during his early career but he bounced back and became a beast. Polt won the Super Tournament by demolishing MMA 4-0. Polt plays a very solid play style and comes prepared for the opponent he is going to face. He came into the Super Tournament games prepared and ready to roll. If he continues to play so solidly I can see him going far.
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Bomber
Accomplishments:
1st 2011 LG Cinema 3D GSL Sponsorship League Season 3: Code A
1st 2011 SK Gaming Asia Champions Trophy (March)
1st 2011 iCCup Map Series Invitational #1 - Startale
2nd 2010 Danawa Cup YGosu.com Invitational
Overview:
Bomber is one of the fastest upcoming Terrans throughout the entire world. In Korea, Bomber was rumored to be a ladder beast defeating many top players. We weren’t introduced to him until the first season of GSTL where he defeated LosirA and was defeated by MVP in an epic game to be remembered for a long time. He eventually qualified for Code A and took first place over MVP 4-2. In the GSL Super tournament, the GSTL, and the current season of code S, he proved he can hang with the big boys and take games off of a number of players. What is Bombers weakness? His TvT and TvP seem to be impeccable and Bomber is not afraid to mix in a few all ins here and there, but his TvZ is far from spectacular with losses to both Moon and Nestea. Furthermore, Bomber’s arrogance may prove to be his downfall with his constant dancing and manner mules which may very well be his defeat. For now though, Bomber will continue to drop his manner mules as he continues to dominate.
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sC
Accomplishments:
2nd 2011 LG Cinema 3D StarCraft 2 3D Special League
Overview:
When fOu first took the GSL Open by storm, it was clear that sCfOu was not the best on the team being overshadowed by his teammates aLive and Leenock. However, recently, this has changed. sC has proven himself time and time again that he is a top Terran throughout the GSL. He has brought the Zerg king Nestea to his limits in a Bo5 that will always be remembered and has competed with the like of DongRaeGu and many other top players. He is also his team’s ace and is called upon in times of need showing fantastic play. Overall, sC seems to be solid in all match ups his weakest being TvP with a recent loss to NSHoseoSage. Will sC continue to get better and better? I think so. With the recent partnership with FXO, he will now receive salary, begin streaming, and has many new practice partners. I wouldn’t be surprised to see all this motivate sC to become the best Terran around.

PuMa
Accomplishments:
1st :2011 North American Star League Season 1
1st: 2011 North American Star League Season 1 Open Tournament
Overview: PuMa has a reputation of being a practice bonjwa and is said to have been the practice partner of the legendary Flash (Though I’m skeptical of how much they practiced together, which many forum goers over exaggerate). He seemed to have popped up out of nowhere scoring a three kill in GSTL against the likes of Optimus and MKP. Continuing this success, he proceeded to win the NASL open bracket against TSLaLive which gave him the opportunity to compete against the worlds finest at the NASL Finals. Being the 16th seed, his victory seemed unlikely, yet PuMa utterly dismantled his opponents and finished the tourney in 1st place winning an intense final match vs ogsMC 4-3. Overall, PuMa doesn’t seem to have any weak matchups at all showing dominant play versus all three races. PuMa, hungry for more international titles, has joined the foreigner team EG. Will PuMa have continued international success, or will joining team EG prove to be his downfall without a Korean team house environment? All in all, PuMa is one Terran to watch out for.
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ThorZaIN
Accomplishments:
1st 2011 PokerStrategy.com TeamLiquid StarLeague
Overview: ThorZain seemed to have come out of nowhere and overtook the foreigner world by storm. He overcame all odds defeating players like Fruitdealer, Kas, MC, and Naniwa to take the TSL 3 title. He has shown a variety of builds and timing attacks with unique usage of thors, quick bio upgrade timing attacks, and solid ghost builds. His next big tourney was at MLG where he proved he could compete without preparation in the brutal open bracket and pool play and ended up placing top 20. ThorZain has proven that with proper preparation, he can beat the best of the best with his weakest match up being TvT. With his move to Korea to compete in GSL, will ThorZain continue to prove he can play with the best of the best? We will eventually find out.

Honorable Mentions:
(P)

RainBOw – Rainbow took 2nd place GSL Open Season 1 and 4th place GSL Open Season 2. Rainbow has fallen off the radar since then which is a shame because I miss his dominance from beta. He is definitely slumping and was knocked out of GSL code A by the loveable little Leenock, but recently, Rainbow has shown some of his old skill back. He now streams his ladder matches which I highly recommend you all watch and is a highly ranked grand master player on both the Korean ladder and the NA ladder.
(T)

BoxeR- No need to explain here. Boxer was a BW legend, but has declined in skill recently. If he can work out his shoulder issues and focuses more on playing rather than team management, I expect him to do well at MLG. Make sure to cheer for the Emperor :D
(T)

Hack- Hack’s notable achievements include all killing team FXO and multiple high placing in small Teamliquid weekly tourneys. He now streams his Korean ladder games which I suggest you all watch and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in GSL Code A next season.
(T)

qxc- He’s the bandana man, what else can I say? When not studying for university, qxc has proven to be a practice animal playing for 10 + hours a day. He has recently proven his skills by all killing team IM which everyone thought was impossible. If he keeps practicing, there is no doubt in my mind that qxc will continue to post good results and at the very least become a top foreigner Terran.
(T)

Kas- From TSL and many European tournaments, Kas has proven to be a Ukranian beast. If he can work on his nerve issues, I can see him becoming a dominant player.
(T)

SeleCT- At one point, Select was probably the best foreigner Terran but I’m not so sure anymore. With his lack luster MLG run, I expect big things from you this time around mister! :S
(T)

TheStC- He used to be the Terran king of the beta, but unfortunately, he had to adhere to Korean military service. But now he’s back and better than ever! He just barely missed out on Code A this season but expect more and more of him in the weeks to come.
(T)

TOP- TOP is an incredibly solid macro Terran and if he can work on some micro issues, expect him to become a top tier Terran in the future.
(P)

YoDa- Yoda has proven to be pivotal in IM team for the GSTL scoring big wins. He also did well in Code A this season. With MVP on his team, expect Yoda to become big.
(T)

aLive- Alive is reported to be TSL’s best player and it’s especially true with PuMa’s departure. He hasn’t done well in GSL, but has played really well in Korean ICCUP weekly’s. Overall, he’s a solid Terran.
(T)

Jjakji- He was kind of out of nowhere, but so where all NSHoseo players :p. Jjakji all killed FXO and does well in Korean ICCUP weekly tournaments and is rumored to be NSHoseo’s best player. I can see Jjakji in code A next season.
(T)

Byun- I’m so glad he’s getting his puppy! :D Byun has had solid Code S runs and has defeated many top tier players in both GSL and GSTL. I expect Byun to go far.
(T)

BitByBit- If he ever returns, I can see BitbyBit taking the world by storm. BitbyBit is a legend and has proven time and time again that safe solid play is not better than his allins. BITBYYYYYYYYYYBIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!! :D
(T)

TheBest- He has amazing banshee control :p

Conclusion: In my personal opinion, at the highest level of play, many of the terrans are too close in skill to accurately determine which terran is the best terran. But i want to hear your opinions :D !!!
Credit: I give credit to two people:
1. Horse...falcon who made a thread about the zergking who i based my thread after hehe :3
2. And my friend Lee365

Edit 1: I forgot Polts write up lol
Edit 2: Forgot to tlpd boxer. HOW COULD I????

aDd3z

Germany885 Posts

July 26 2011 08:12 GMT

NaDa for sure :D

hyptonic

2155 Posts

July 26 2011 08:13 GMT

MVP and MarineKing have been in a bit of a slump recently but I'd still say they are at the top with Polt/Bomber/sC in a tier below them

lee365

United States448 Posts

July 26 2011 08:14 GMT

Nice write up. I will always love MMA and MKP

Kraznaya

United States3711 Posts

July 26 2011 08:15 GMT

Gehhh... it should be MVP, but he's been slumping so hard recently. He was dominant in a way even Nestea never was at the beginning of the year (including destroying Nestea in a series), but he hasn't made any noise for so long. I hope he shows us his true mettle at MLG Anaheim.

That said, I just went with my sentimental favorite, MKP. He can be very inconsistent, but he's made more finals than any other terran, and changed the metagame so much by introducing bio based builds in every matchup and pioneering terran aggression on zerg back when Terran was lost in that matchup after the reaper nerf.

People who vote for MMA or Puma on the basis of winning foreigner tournaments with weak player pools and Bo1 GSTL performance are silly, though.

EDIT: Also, Bomber has to be the most overrated terran, built on pure Artosis hype. Have you seen his vZ? :/

Bibbit

Canada5377 Posts

July 26 2011 08:16 GMT

Wow this is actually a ton harder than the Zerg king. I ultimately ended up voting for Bomber but MVP, Puma, SC, and Optimus were all super major considerations.

And nice job giving an overview of so many people!

Edit: I voted based on who I thought was strongest right now.

StyLeD

United States2965 Posts

July 26 2011 08:16 GMT

MVP is still king, there is no terran as invincible as Nestea is for zerg, but I think he has been practicing hard to give us foreign fans a good showing :3

Midgetman101

United States825 Posts

July 26 2011 08:17 GMT

On July 26 2011 17:15 Kraznaya wrote:
Gehhh... it should be MVP, but he's been slumping so hard recently. He was dominant in a way even Nestea never was at the beginning of the year (including destroying Nestea in a series), but he hasn't made any noise for so long. I hope he shows us his true mettle at MLG Anaheim.

That said, I just went with my sentimental favorite, MKP. He can be very inconsistent, but he's made more finals than any other terran, and changed the metagame so much by introducing bio based builds in every matchup and pioneering terran aggression on zerg back when Terran was lost in that matchup after the reaper nerf.

People who vote for MMA or Puma on the basis of winning foreigner tournaments with weak player pools and Bo1 GSTL performance are silly, though.

I agree to some extent. I myself voted for IMMVP and hope he shows who the king is with a dominating performance at MLG

Loki57

United States292 Posts

July 26 2011 08:17 GMT

I gotta go with MVP, even with the recent slump. Two GSL titles and all the skills we know he possesses speak for them self. Foreigner terran king? T-Zain easily.

reisada

183 Posts

July 26 2011 08:17 GMT

#10

Puma, no explanation needed, just pure awesomeness

redFF

United States3910 Posts

July 26 2011 08:18 GMT

#11

Top and Byun are both better then Nada,Thorzain and SC and should be in the poll >:O

Itsmedudeman

United States19229 Posts

July 26 2011 08:19 GMT

#12

Bomber has been the most impressive lately. I still think his TvT is the best and his TvP is one of the best in the world as well. TvZ needs work, but compared to every other terran I see him having 2 of the most dominant match ups in the world and he's beaten just about everyone notable in them.

MVP was the best about 2 months ago no doubt, but it seems he's been passed up.

Some of the other contenders don't really hold a candle to these 2 and I can't see how you could make an argument to say they're better. Talking about particularly nada and thorzain, but at least QXC isn't in there..

13JackaL

United States577 Posts

July 26 2011 08:20 GMT

#13

ugh i want to vote for NaDa just because...you know. Honestly, no terran is really dominant at all right now. MC is the BossToss and Nestea is the god zerg, but none of the terran players are consistently that great. MVP is awesome but i feel that winning 2 championships against the same person is not incredibly significant, considering he hasn't really built much off of that.

Midgetman101

United States825 Posts

July 26 2011 08:20 GMT

#14

On July 26 2011 17:18 redFF wrote:
Top and Byun are both better then Nada,Thorzain and SC and should be in the poll >:O

I agree they are both excellent players but i did mention them at the end :o

madstarcraft

United States103 Posts

July 26 2011 08:21 GMT

#15

No 1 outright king right now, MVP yea but he's not always winning, if u compare the level of domination of nestea w/ zerg and mvp with terran it doesn't compare

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

July 26 2011 08:22 GMT

#16

I would say in his prime, MVP was definitely the Terran King. He was extremely solid in TvT and TvZ. He had some obscene win percentage if I call for a while in TvT and he was at one point 7-1 vs Nestea in TvZ... so that speaks for itself. We always point out he's weak in TvP, which is true. But his weak included losses to players like Alicia knocking him down to Code A, and Alicia was SlayerS PvT sniper. However, with the recent drop in dominance from MVP and the lack of any titles for a few months, I believe any reign has come in question if not to an end. I would say the throne of Terran remains unclaimed for the time being, since no one seems to have consistent enough results. 2 GSL championships is incredible, but falling to code A, losing in the code A finals, and getting knocked out in the group stage in successive GSLs is rather lackluster. For a time, MMA and MKP looked to be the two challengers to the throne. The amazing GSTL performance (including defeating MVP in an epic match to clinch the championship), MLG win, and Super Tournament Final Appearance dominating all Terrans on the way looked to qualify MMA. Then Polt went on to crush him 4-0 as we all know and Puzzle knocked MMA completely out of GSL. Hard to be called the King when you aren't in GSL. Sorry MMA. Then we have MKP. I love him as a player, but 0-3 in finals... you just can't look kindly on it when you want to call someone a king. A king should be dominant and when you fail under pressure, you just don't qualify. I think with more and more exceptional Terrans stepping up and veterans staying strong [Nada, Bomber, sC, MKP, MMA, MVP, etc... pretty much your list in the OP] there is just too much variance in play and not enough consistent results for the time being to declare anyone the Terran king.

Deshkar

Singapore1244 Posts

July 26 2011 08:22 GMT

#17

Given the sheer number of contenders , it kinda already hints that there is no clear Terran King at the moment.

Meteora.GB

Canada2479 Posts

July 26 2011 08:22 GMT

#18

Unlike the Zerg and Protoss, the Terran throne seems to be competed over fiercely by many top tier Terrans. While I would have said that MVP was the king of the Terrans a few months back, he seems to have fallen off and slumped a bit recently. Of course, if we want to talk about who's the most accomplished Terran, it would be indisputably MVP (followed by MKP with his throng of silver medals). Its rather hard to judge who is the best Terran right now.

If I had to group the strongest Terrans together this would be how it looks like within that category overall, including each of the best match ups (some players are inconsistently left out because I feel that they aren't all that great or haven't proven themselves):

The Definite Best Terrans
1. MVP
2. Bomber
3. MarineKing

Top Tier Terrans
4. Polt (Optimus)
5. NaDa
6. sC
7. MMA
8. PuMa
9. Byun

Best TvT
1. MVP
2. PuMa
3. Byun*
4. Bomber
5. MarineKing
6. Polt (Optimus)**
7. NaDa
8. MMA
9. TOP
10. Clide

* TvTing his way through to the semi-finals, taking out MVP, sC, NaDa and Bomber
** Dismantling and outplaying MMA in the finals, who TvT'd his way to the finals

Best TvZ
1. MMA
2. MVP
3. MarineKing
4. sC
5. Byun

Best TvP
1. Polt (Optimus)*
2. Bomber
3. MarineKing

* Yeah sure his opponents play terribly but he holds a 4-0 record against MC and held a 100% win rate before Killer took a game off of him in a close match

jmbthirteen

United States10734 Posts

July 26 2011 08:25 GMT

#19

There is no Terran King. A few months ago I would have said MVP, but he has fallen off since then. He hasn't done much since his last GSL Championship. He dropped to Code A, made it back to Code S, but really hasn't made any noise since then.

The rest just haven't done enough to claim they deserve the throne over another. Puma, MMA, and Optimus all have large tournament wins under their belts, but have faltered in other tournaments.

There are just so many damn good Terran players that its impossible to say who is king. Nestea and MC are pretty much better than any other Z or P, especially Nestea. We just don't see that from anyone that plays Terran.

Fionn

United States23455 Posts

July 26 2011 08:25 GMT

#20

There is no king. If Poltimus had gotten through Bomber and then beaten Byun, the throne would be his. MVP had the throne for a long time, but he's been slumping in the GSL/GSTL for a while. Bomber had his chance to take it by winning the tournament and beating Nestea, but he blew a 2-0 lead in the quarterfinals. SC hasn't won any titles. Nada is very consistent, but has never even been to a finals. MarineKing is slumping hard at the moment. Byun got 3-0'd in his only semifinals. Puma is a weird case; he won NASL, but he's never even qualified for Code A. He beat MKP and Poltimus in the GSTL, but he' still needs to get into the GSL or rack up a ton more foreign titles against top players.

Right now, I would probably say, with the closest chance of taking over the throne:

1) Bomber
2) Poltimus
3) MVP
4) MarineKing
5) Puma
6) Nada
7) MMA
8) Byun
9) SC

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