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aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 19 2011 16:28 GMT
#16
/in
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 21 2011 23:57 GMT
#65
/confirm

Howdy guys
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 22 2011 03:31 GMT
#145
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"?
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 22 2011 03:32 GMT
#146
And yes VisceraEyes, it does look like your making stuff up and putting them in people's mouths. It's quite annoying actually, and it hasn't even happened to me yet.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 22 2011 03:46 GMT
#154
On July 22 2011 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.

Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered.

Then go scum hunt. Why are you getting so worked up over something pointless? Do you honestly believe people will go for a random lynch if you have solid evidence against someone? I think you just have a bone to pick with ace and are trying to find any excuse to point at him.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 22 2011 16:11 GMT
#196
Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar. Stuff like
i probably have more games played than everyone here combined and probably at a higher level of play. Let's try to stay away from the mud-slinging ok?

Makes me cry and laugh at the same time. You really seem to like waving your penis around eh?

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On July 22 2011 10:10 DragonReborn422 wrote:
i was a heavy post counter for werewolf games on 2+2's puzzles and other games. I'm not sure if i will continue that trend on here for mafia games.

I'm sure i will have to adjust to the play style on here. I've mostly played "vanilla games" and not "mish-mash games" which have creative roles. I have probably 100 or so vanilla games played and about 10 mish-mash games played.

I remember the first time a bunch of us played a game on mafiascum and we got into a flame war with the forum just because the style of the game is so different between forums. I am fairly elitist and think my own style is very good, but I'm ok with taking a backseat and learning the ropes on a new forum.

I will post some reads soon.


I like your style of flexing your over 9000 games played. With that many games your reads must be super awesome as well!

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On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.

FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.

You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.

I like Ace's posts.


Some deep reasoning there. I guess your scumdar is just that good from all those games you played........


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On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:
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On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.

FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.

You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.

I like Ace's posts.



All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me.

What benefit does town get from lynching a random person?


I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience.

I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.



Or not..... I guess your scumdar is pretty terrible then.


Put that penis down, your not the best player in the world and acting like it is just making you look like a fool. Your pride and indecisiveness is just going to get you hanged.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 22 2011 16:30 GMT
#201
On July 23 2011 01:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid.

Your waving it again. I don't think you can even recognize it.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 22 2011 19:18 GMT
#234
On July 23 2011 03:46 DragonReborn422 wrote:
weak accusations lol?

i think accusing me of scum for using weak accusations is absolutely ludicrous. talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

THIS IS DAY 1 GUYS. It's mostly weak accusations/randomness. I even stated why I wouldn't mind keeping viscera for another day. you don't acknowledge this at all palomar.

Please read my posts or don't leave important stuff out to make your points. thank you.


Your ignoring his main point. Your still being indecisive and refusing to take a side even after all your "analysis".

##Vote DragonReborn422
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 22 2011 19:28 GMT
#237
On July 23 2011 04:19 DragonReborn422 wrote:
what am i refusing to take a side on?

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1. redFF - i actually have a slight town lean on him. i gave a little analysis on him a few posts ago.

2. Sevryn - has made only 2 posts that i can see. both have been advice/generalizations about the game. he doesn't have any leans on anyone. i lean mafia on him.

3. Jacinto - trying hard which is a pretty good sign. most likely not mafia/mafia with viscera. But I think its very possible one or the other is. slight mafia lean.

4. Palmar - lean town...although i don't really get the case on redFF. i mean most cases are pretty weak on day1...but you seem somewhat adamant on redFF.

5. VisceraEyes - Heavy mafia lean. Very defensive and a I still like my read about his posts regarding the random lynch to be forced. Does post a fair amount so not lynching on day1 would be ok.

6. aprudds - has made 5 posts since the game has begun. 0 have been regarding player roles. They've all been about what he likes or doesn't like about posts. No lean.

7. Pyo - a pretty solid long post. slight town lean

8. Trotske - pretty UTR. nothing stands out. thus a slight mafia lean.

9. DragonReborn422 - 100% townie

10. Ace - have no clue on his role but i like his posts...would like to keep him around for at least another day

11.Lord Vatti - hasn't posted

12. Fortress Fortune - hasn't posted


Hi, I don't really wanna pressure anyone but I want to seem to be contributing so I'm going to post a giant list that doesn't say anything.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 22 2011 19:29 GMT
#238
On July 23 2011 04:19 Fortress Fortune wrote:
We could pull up any reasoning on the morality of first round RL being beneficial or detrimental to town, imo its totally subjective from past experience. I completely understand adherents to RL even as a tentative lure, which doesn't mean I abide to it.

It's clear that Ace has some kind of pillar aura presence in this game, there are several acknowledgments of his expertise. Besides initiating the whole debate on RL, I still view him from his recent post as clear and he set up a good formulating point to extract some info.

DR and VE stand out from being overly defensive which does not automatically imply guilt, on the contrary it’s good to see some defensive passion displayed.

There’s some trash talk going on regarding DR’s presumed experience which is completely overboard the situation, yet I understand his point even at the lowest where he’s okay either way with RL or not even if he lost some feathers on the way.

Palmar has some free flowing self-righteousness going on for the sake of some twisted justice of being himself.

I won’t go through some enumerated analysis à la DR one by one, redFF still stands out on my point from his ice-breaker never lie ‘cause you’d have to respond to your actions ethic, imo he still leaves a lasting impression besides that it’s just observing game.

It’s clear that conscentious factual reasoning is relevant, however clearly out of line on this first round time-frame basis. This figure comes to mind when I see the 100% townie claim of DR, that ratio of certainty is out of league, yet it’s your style so go for it, seemingly you got a bit more passive so just stand for what you’re up for.

##vote aprudds due to jittering agressivity, appearing obvious on both sides from a cover scheme or sense of safety in belonging.


Sorry can you be more clear here? I don't clearly understand you here.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 22 2011 19:42 GMT
#240
On July 23 2011 04:34 Fortress Fortune wrote:
@aprudds the majority of your posts were specific aimed.


I don't understand your logic, can you elaborate?
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 22 2011 20:11 GMT
#245
On July 23 2011 04:56 Fortress Fortune wrote:
@aprudss

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On July 22 2011 12:31 aprudds wrote:
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"?


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On July 22 2011 12:46 aprudds wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.

Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered.

Then go scum hunt. Why are you getting so worked up over something pointless? Do you honestly believe people will go for a random lynch if you have solid evidence against someone? I think you just have a bone to pick with ace and are trying to find any excuse to point at him.




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On July 23 2011 01:11 aprudds wrote:
Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar.


bash and rush for cover.


I don't see the "run for cover aspect". I have made comments when things don't make sense or feel off to keep people honest. Perhaps you could elaborate more with something other than a oneliner?
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 23 2011 23:07 GMT
#354
On July 24 2011 07:33 Ace wrote:
:/

Of course he was Innocent. Pants on Head logic going on here. I'm actually not even going to try hard this game. I'll be content to sit back assuming I live Night 1, and play like the rest of you and not read the thread.

Being new to Mafia doesn't give you an excuse not to know how to READ.


Why such a downer attitude Ace? We made a mistake, sure, but its day 1 and your already resigning yourself. Do you have something on your mind?
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 25 2011 12:03 GMT
#368
Waiting on ace to post before I post my thoughts.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 25 2011 23:09 GMT
#387
So Mr. Ace still lying low it seems.

Guess he needs a bit more pressure.
##Vote Ace

Where you at ace?
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 26 2011 04:27 GMT
#400
@Pyo

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On July 26 2011 07:16 Pyo wrote:
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On July 26 2011 00:13 Sevryn wrote:
Looking at Pyo's posts i think he is either scum or super lazy he has a large amount of useless posts and the abstaining from voting.
Ace seems to me to have come into this game with the attitude that town is boned and its all just a barrel of laughs which makes me think there is a good chance he is scum.
because there isn't that much to read off of Pyo im going to vote ace for now.


##Vote Ace


Yeah, I guess I have been kind of lazy. Seeing town jump on a bandwagon like that day 1 was certainly demoralizing. I've also kind of bummed myself out of Arkham Asylum too. But I'll start contributing:

If you look back at how the DR bandwagon developed, it all started with this post by Jacinto:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10420934
I thought this was a perfectly reasonable "get the ball rolling" attack on DR. The case was weak, mostly just non-commital play. I figured DR would just brush it off and the case would be dropped, and I thought DR's post was perfectly reasonable:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10429554

Palmar next throws in a few jabs at DR (typical in-your-face Palmar play), but he seems more occupied with RedFF, and even threw out a jab at me as well.

VisceraEyes next jumps in:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430096
This vote almost feels like VE is reacting to the fact that he doesn't like DR for agreeing with/not being against Ace's plan. I'm not convinced that this is particularly scummy in that it feels a little too committal toward a brewing bandwagon.

The next thing to crop up which really got the ball rolling was this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430660
Here aprudds throws out an ad-hom attack on DR. This is eerily reminiscent of how he managed to start a bandwagon against Freeloader in mafia XL. (For those that don't know, after role PMs went out, Freeloader asked whether mafia could PM each other despite the "no PMs" rule. aprudds brought this up as a scum slip and had the whole town distracted by it for all of day 1.) In this post aprudds is painting DR as an unlikable guy, sort of needlessly needling him/trolling him into acting scummier. And he continues to do it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430971
However, appruds doesn't vote for DR right away. It really feels like aprudds is riling up the town making them dislike DR while not really committing to him. It is only after Palmar also votes for DR that you finally cast your vote. To me that seems really scummy and manipulative, just like he played in mafia XL.

##vote: aprudds



Your heavily basing your argument on your meta of me with a sample of 2 games, one of which I got lynched on the first day. Doesn't that seem a bit off to you?

DR's arrogance was quite annoying I felt the need to address it and have him tone down the ego a bit before it got out of control.

What made me think he was scum was not initially his posting style but his "list" and his responses afterwords. These lists are usually completely worthless this early in the game and if you recall mafia XL we had someone on the scum team make one to earn "town points." He was also very quick to express that his accusations were weak and constantly was trying to butter up ace.

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On July 26 2011 07:20 Pyo wrote:
I'll also add that I highly doubt Ace is scum. He was literally the only one (I suppose besides myself) that took a stand against the DR lynch. DR flipping green kind of clears him in my mind.


On July 26 2011 08:54 Pyo wrote:
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On July 26 2011 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Pyo, could you point to the post(s) where Ace took a "stand" against the DR lynch? And why would that clear him in your mind? Scum would KNOW who's innocent and can manipulate town with that information by making a "stand" against a lynch that's bound to happen...but I don't even really see the post you're referring to.


it was this one:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10443762

and then this one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245159&currentpage=15#287

I don't want to defend Ace too hard in case he really is mafia, but I'm inclined to take him at face value: a frustrated veteran mafia player who's throwing a tantrum because no one listened to him day 1 and are now trying to get him lynched.





Doesn't that sound eerily familiar to Mafia XL Pyo? You know......like a certain iGrok that game? Funny how you mention my play in that game but don't recall the actions of the GF that game. A bit of selective memory perhaps? Your hesistation in directly defending Ace is also quite interesting especially since in Mafia XL the scum team didn't want to directly defend iGrok too hard either.

@Sevryn
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On July 26 2011 11:32 Sevryn wrote:
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On July 22 2011 12:32 aprudds wrote:
And yes VisceraEyes, it does look like your making stuff up and putting them in people's mouths. It's quite annoying actually, and it hasn't even happened to me yet.

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On July 22 2011 12:31 aprudds wrote:
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"?


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On July 22 2011 12:46 aprudds wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.

Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered.

Then go scum hunt. Why are you getting so worked up over something pointless? Do you honestly believe people will go for a random lynch if you have solid evidence against someone? I think you just have a bone to pick with ace and are trying to find any excuse to point at him.

Tunnels VE for like 3 posts straight
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On July 23 2011 01:11 aprudds wrote:
Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar. Stuff like
i probably have more games played than everyone here combined and probably at a higher level of play. Let's try to stay away from the mud-slinging ok?

Makes me cry and laugh at the same time. You really seem to like waving your penis around eh?

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On July 22 2011 10:10 DragonReborn422 wrote:
i was a heavy post counter for werewolf games on 2+2's puzzles and other games. I'm not sure if i will continue that trend on here for mafia games.

I'm sure i will have to adjust to the play style on here. I've mostly played "vanilla games" and not "mish-mash games" which have creative roles. I have probably 100 or so vanilla games played and about 10 mish-mash games played.

I remember the first time a bunch of us played a game on mafiascum and we got into a flame war with the forum just because the style of the game is so different between forums. I am fairly elitist and think my own style is very good, but I'm ok with taking a backseat and learning the ropes on a new forum.

I will post some reads soon.


I like your style of flexing your over 9000 games played. With that many games your reads must be super awesome as well!

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On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.

FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.

You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.

I like Ace's posts.


Some deep reasoning there. I guess your scumdar is just that good from all those games you played........


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On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:
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On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.

FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.

You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.

I like Ace's posts.



All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me.

What benefit does town get from lynching a random person?


I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience.

I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.



Or not..... I guess your scumdar is pretty terrible then.


Put that penis down, your not the best player in the world and acting like it is just making you look like a fool. Your pride and indecisiveness is just going to get you hanged.

Than this post which really put me against DR.
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On July 23 2011 01:30 aprudds wrote:
On July 23 2011 01:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid.

Your waving it again. I don't think you can even recognize it.

same kind of thing attacking DR without attacking his arguments.

##unvote
##vote aprudds

I would prefer to see aprudds lynched today but ace is a good target aswell


What the heck mate? You have a gigantic quote wall with no arguments at all?

Three posts on day one now counts as tunneling? What's your reasoning that these posts are scummy?

Your next 2 points doesn't make much sense. I told the guy to stop being so arrogant. If that put you against him that means that you agreed with my post.

Can you justify yourself a bit better? or can I just assume your just looking for an excuse to jump bandwagons?
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 26 2011 16:00 GMT
#405
Trotske, what is your opinion on Ace?
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 26 2011 19:07 GMT
#435
RedFF and Palamar, your not going to get your respective targets lynched today. We need you to change your votes to Ace or at least give reasoning on why he's not scum. Realize that if you stay on your target your voting for a no lynch day.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 26 2011 20:06 GMT
#445
I'm here to unvote if you have a convincing case.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
July 28 2011 00:09 GMT
#523
GL Town!
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