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On July 22 2011 11:06 Jacinto wrote: @Ace Allright, that makes more sense. However, I don't really see the point of random lynching. Sure, the DT could get an investigation, but we still don't know if we actually have a DT or even a doctor in the game. I don't get how random lynching could "kick things off", to the contrary, to me it seems that a RL would just keep the game stagnated. Could you explain more closely exactly how a RL would contribute to our cause? I agree with this. As far as I can see a RL has a 9:3 chance of just making us down a townie and we don't even know if we have a DT, If we have a DT then there is a 50% chance of there being a Roleblocker also if the DT claims they then have a 50% chance of being useless. Can someone please explain why a RL is better than a no lynch. | ||
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Trotske
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On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote: You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. | ||
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On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote: I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! How can the town do worse than a RL day1. | ||
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Trotske
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OTE]On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote: I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite. We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more. Thank you, that's what I wanted a solid reason. | ||
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Trotske
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I don't know what to think, DR seems like a douche but that doesn't mean hes scum I feel like all this back and forth between DR, VE, and Ace could be some elaborate plan to confuse the new players like me into getting behind one of these guys to lead them to a lynch. The way I see our D1 lynch options are Inactive > one of DR, VE, or Ace > RL. That's my view. | ||
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On July 23 2011 03:03 DragonReborn422 wrote: I actually think trotske is a pretty solid vote right now. he's playing so safe. ## vote trotske By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here? | ||
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On July 23 2011 03:43 DragonReborn422 wrote: you look kind of scummy to me. "scummy" is all relative. you're lurking in the thread..popping up when your name gets mentioned. and that's about it. you're flying pretty low key...a pretty decent mafia candidate imo. I pop up when I have something useful to say otherwise I'm watching to see whats going on considering this is my first game and someone asked me to say something so I responded. I'm not sure how this is more scummy than say Sevryn or Fortress Fortune. Seems to me that if you post a lot but have nothing to say == scum. Don't post a lot because you have nothing useful to contribute == scum. Keep telling everyone who you think could be scum from a couple of posts == townie? Like I said in an earlier post my lynch list still has inactive people at the top but DR is getting up there because he keeps voting for someone different at the drop of a hat. | ||
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Trotske
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On July 23 2011 04:17 DragonReborn422 wrote: actually, you're the first person i've voted trotske. keep making stuff up though. Yea sorry the word I meant to say wasn't vote. After re-reading most of the thread Your not near as suspicious as I thought you were but that's not to say I wont keep my eye on you. | ||
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Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?" From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post. If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it. ##vote DragonReborn422 | ||
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Trotske
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On July 24 2011 01:23 DragonReborn422 wrote: His final post during the time of this writeup. He thinks I'm trying to save myself and don't think he's scum, thus to wagon him. Um, of course I'm going to vote someone and not vote myself. sorry buddy. But, I voted for him yesterday already!! I have called him out on being safe and passive as being scummy. I've never thought he was scum because he was lurking. There are people with far fewer posts than him. Now he votes me....if you read his previous posts...I was "not near as suspicious as I thought" to trotske. but now he votes me! and he claims that i'm voting him to save myself. what!? hypocrisy. What in the world have I done in the very few posts in between to make me the best lynch for him. tldr; trotske probably a scum Here is where you said I was lurking the thread On July 23 2011 03:43 DragonReborn422 wrote: you look kind of scummy to me. "scummy" is all relative. you're lurking in the thread..popping up when your name gets mentioned. and that's about it. you're flying pretty low key...a pretty decent mafia candidate imo. oh and there's Another one On July 23 2011 23:40 DragonReborn422 wrote: Trotske has played an interesting game. His posts have been very methodical although sometimes with some errors. He is very actively lurking the thread. Many of his posts are in the form of a question for another player to clarify. These kind of posts are very safe as he doesn't antagonize anyone or allow him the chance to slip up. Pretty common activity for a newer scum player not sure about what to post to try to fit in. Otherwise, he is fairly noncommittal about who he thinks is scum. I'm going to upgrade him to a moderate scum lean. I have a moderate-heavy lean on Vicera being a scum...but this is more of a feel play here. I think his early game looks like a scum player who has had a few games of experience under his belt and tries a little too hard to fit in with the village. (This is why I call his posts forced.) I don't remember much about him after our squabble..but I will re-read. Sveryn, you wwere kind of flying under the radar. I had a slight scum lean on you at the beginning of the day. You popped in with a fair amount of posts yesterday. It feels like you feel content to lynch whoever. You're not really looking for scum candidates. I think you are a little >rand chance of being scum. Jacinto is probably my weakest scum candidate. I mostly feel like one of jacinto or vicera have to be scum but not both. everything else you said I addressed in my last post. On July 24 2011 00:40 Trotske wrote: DR I think your reason's for trying to make a wagon on me have more to do with you trying to save yourself and less about me being scum. Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?" From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post. If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it. ##vote DragonReborn422 anything else you want to lie about besides saying you never thought I was lurking the thread? | ||
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Trotske
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On July 24 2011 02:07 DragonReborn422 wrote: This is EXACTLY what I wrote. trotske, your posts are getting worse and worse. seriously. I quoted and bolded that part of your post in my post seriously. That is the part of your post I think you lied about and I have proof. On July 23 2011 23:40 DragonReborn422 wrote: Trotske has played an interesting game. His posts have been very methodical although sometimes with some errors. He is very actively lurking the thread. Many of his posts are in the form of a question for another player to clarify. These kind of posts are very safe as he doesn't antagonize anyone or allow him the chance to slip up. Pretty common activity for a newer scum player not sure about what to post to try to fit in. Otherwise, he is fairly noncommittal about who he thinks is scum. I'm going to upgrade him to a moderate scum lean. I put the bits in bold that show you thought it was scummy of me to be lurking. Which you then said you didn't think. Oh and all this was posted AFTER you voted for me as scum. . | ||
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On July 24 2011 03:59 DragonReborn422 wrote: Curuu. you misrepresent almost everythign in my posts. learn to read people's posts before posting. i'm kind of tired of replying to people who can't read. Can you point out where he does this? I would like to see it. | ||
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The first persons posts I looked at after getting a sort of scum vibe from him is VisceraEyes. Most of his recent posts are him trying to discredit and cast a scummy shadow over Ace but when looking through his posts I havn't found any really good reasons that Ace is scum. He tells the town to look over Ace's posts here + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2011 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace: Okay, regarding this post. ##Vote: Ace First of all, you never tried to defend Dragon (unless you count the "chainsaw lol defense" of Palmar voting for Dragon), so it's really easy to come in after he flips and say "Oh, you idiots, he was obviously innocent. lrn2reed" And further, you're so distraught over the loss of this guy that you're just going pretend to not try in frustration of us all being so lolbad? Please. This farce ends here. Town: Ace is scum. He didn't even HAVE to try and get Dragon lynched because he was playing so scummy, so Ace's vote was safely on someone else. I voted for Ace earlier but removed it because I didn't feel confident that I could get him lynched...so I thought I'd go after his partner and save Ace for later. I still strongly believe he's scum and if anyone disagrees with me ur lolbad and I quit, just like Ace is pretending to do, but for real. (lol j/k...but srsly, he's scum). I'd really like town to take a look at his posts and ask yourself "if Ace is town, why is he acting like this?" I haven't been able to figure it out. And NOW he says that he's not even going to try this game "like the rest of you" because "we don't read the thread". Why in the hell would he say this as town? A vote for Ace is a vote for scum. I promise. WIFOM says he going to claim power-role if we start voting his way just so we policy-don't-lynch, so be prepared. We MUST lynch him tonight. I'm afraid of him as scum. VisceraEyes P.S. WIFOM also says cue Ace's pre-written "lol@Viscera's super-bad-tunnel play". It's sure to be "convincing". Well I did look over Ace's posts and for everything he posted he had a reason that he told us about and backs up his stuff up. VE on the other hand hasn't backed up his claims with any quotes of posts other than saying "you didn't try to back up dragon" When Ace's two posts before the lynch were exactly that. + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2011 19:50 Ace wrote: You guys should drop your votes on DR22. There isn't a good case against him and Palmar is a far more detrimental player to the Town. Then again my last post about reading the thread got ignored so I'm not even surprised it's come to this. Can anyone show me an actual good case against DR22? + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2011 20:59 Ace wrote: detrimental to town = you being Scum. And once again, here you go stretching things to your definition of what you want to appear. What flimsy evidence have I defended DR22? The case against him is weaker than the case against you. How can you even dare say he isn't committing to his Scum reads when VE has already accused like 4 people? It's funny because if you read DR22's posts it's perfectly possible to see that when he listed his Town reads, he could have easily leaned towards taking back his Scum reads and going for a lurker. Of course you somehow didn't see this - but thats because you aren't reading the thread. I don't know DR22's alignment (lol stop trying to plant your little bugs, it's cute but your efforts are so transparent) but I do know the case for lynching him is weak, especially with your Scummy play so far. someone else I have had my eye on is RedFF simply because His posts havn't been helpful at all. here he posts an img saying that the vote on DR was a bandwagon which might be true + Show Spoiler + Two posts later he votes for DR. Here is a post from VE putting distance from him and RedFF by disagreeing with him on why Jacinto got hit and then leads that into saying his reasoning supports that Ace is scum again with no proof other than thats what he "feels." + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2011 14:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Seriously? 1/4 through the day and I'm the only vote, and only the second thread?? I guess GMarshal's leniency was taken to heart. Lurker mode commence. @red I'm not sure if I agree that Jacinto was a blue-snipe. He didn't talk about detectives in a way that hinted or indicated that he was fishing for advice on how to play as one, which seems more likely in a new player as you (accurately imo) deduce. I feel like the hit was designed more specifically to deny town information. When we mislynched Dragon, Jacinto was one of the earlier votes (less suspicious) and simultaniously one of the less vocal (less information to confirm). And one of the only players' meta I feel supports that level of finesse is Ace. See above post. My view on Ace is that He hasn't been trying to fit in like most Scum try to fit in. I am also going to say that I feel like Ace hasn't been doing alot to push his agenda it feels to me like he jsut chimes in every now and then and says what he thinks. | ||
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On July 26 2011 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Whether it was the point of your post or not, part of your argument was defending Ace. I understand that you're saying redFF and I are scum, and for the record, I wasn't rying to 'distance' myself from him, only give my opinion to him the only way I can in a game with no PM's...in-thread. So what, I'm not allowed to disagree with someone's points without that being construed as 'distancing'? Your logic there is flawed. FoS: Trotske if Ace flips red today for defending against a case made against Ace and then backpedaling to 'distance' himself from the action. I'm not saying your scum for disagreeing with RedFF I'm saying that from your other posts you look scummy and your reasoning for disagreeing was just a feeling making it more suspicious if you are Scum making it look to me that you are trying to distance your self from your scum buddy by disagreeing without actually giving a good reason for it. | ||
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