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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 10 2011 15:22 GMT
#27
I'll bite as well. Someone make me a sweet contract: I'll give you all my votes starting on Day 3 for all your cash now

/in
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 10 2011 15:23 GMT
#28
Also, I plan on playing this game without actually scum hunting or rereading the thread ...
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 10 2011 15:32 GMT
#29
If you cannot fulfill a contract, bad things will happen to you


Can you clarify this? Are we talking modkill here or more like a monetary ingame penalty?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 11 2011 19:49 GMT
#56
So in your example LSB:

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LSB
Pay 2,000,000 Kronos
Artanis[Xp]
Kill Foolishness before the start of day 3


presumably as long as Foolishness died before day 3 the contract is valid. Artanis doesn't actually have to do the killing, since LSB Banking wouldn't know who did the night kill anyways.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 11 2011 23:54 GMT
#64
Should the other player in the trust provide proof that their contract was violated, the violator will be punished


Just to ask again, is this an 'in-game' punishment, like a ban on contracts or a financial penalty, or is this a modkillable offence. For Instance if I was mafia could I break a contract(say kill player A with an RPG instead of player B) in order to win the game(no penalty would be incurred since the game is over)? Or would I be modkilled instead?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 10:25 GMT
#78
Lets get down to brass tax: Who's selling me a bulletproof vest?

I may be in the market to buy up some votes for Day 1, PM me if interested.


But most importantly:
Who wants to sell me an RPG

It's vitally important that I shoot someone with an RPG this game in order to maximize fun
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 10:33 GMT
#82
Fear not, I've got that covered. I'm going to make public whomever sells me the BP vest. That way if I die(if the vest is bombed, or a fake), you can lynch the ass who sold me the vest.

More importantly, wheres my RPG?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 10:42 GMT
#88
On July 12 2011 19:37 Palmar wrote:
Is it?

If the guy has more than one bulletproof vest, can't the mafia just kill him, depriving us of the saves?



That's true. I'll admit that the safety of the seller wasn't my primary concern...

Wouldn't the seller be wearing his bulletproof vest though?

In the case where he's not allowed to wear his own vest, he could sell me both his vests, and I'll sell him one back(hopefully that would allow him to actually wear one).
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 15:36 GMT
#110
On July 12 2011 22:42 chaos13 wrote:
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On July 12 2011 19:25 Radfield wrote:
Lets get down to brass tax: Who's selling me a bulletproof vest?

I may be in the market to buy up some votes for Day 1, PM me if interested.


But most importantly:
Who wants to sell me an RPG

It's vitally important that I shoot someone with an RPG this game in order to maximize fun


So you're looking to buy votes on Day 1, the time in the game that it is least likely we will lynch scum. You also want an RPG, which provides you with additional means of killing someone, which also does not guarantee you will kill scum. Noted, you're going down on my suspect list.



yeah, I was trying to see if anyone would bite by offering to sell me their vote. It would peg them either as scum or as someone with a cash ability. In retrospect it was probably a bit too transparent.

As far as an RPG, it provides me with a means of killing someone, not an additional means. I play a patient, thoughtful style of mafia and have no intention of firing at the first player who pops on my scumdar. I am also fairly decent at finding reds, though I'll admit that I'm somewhat weak when it comes to PM games, which I don't normally join.

As an advertisement to business, I have defensive weapons to sell. If you are interested, PM me.


This seems like a risky thing to be posting in public. Surely it makes far more sense for you to be PMing players you have pro-town reads on rather than letting everyone know.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 15:42 GMT
#111
On July 12 2011 22:46 Kurumi wrote:
THE PLAN

Is easy.
So here it goes:
#1 We announce our contracts. The more information You give us, the bigger benefit for us.
#2 We are not giving away our equipment before we've got strong townie reads with someone.
#3 As fast we get confirmed Townie, we initiate a Trust contract with him so our items won't go into the Black Hole
^We should give this guy vests and medic prots as fast as possible too, we don't want our Bank to die -_-
#4 We don't let ourselves get bossed around with contracts. Think before signing one.

Glued post, enjoy, sorry for spamming the thread.


The only important point here is number three, which should be obvious.

We don't want to announce contracts in public. I find it likely that there are certain pro-town abilities(investigations, medics, etc) that require money to activate. It's important to keep mafia in the dark as to which players are buying and which are selling. Not to mention which players have which items.

Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 15:49 GMT
#113
why?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 16:00 GMT
#117
meh. I put that into my post on a whim, thinking it would be interesting to see if anyone was eager either for a) money or b) an excuse to get rid of their vote. Rest assured, there is no way I would buy someones vote on Day 1.

Your points a) and c) go together. The reason I folded is because it was a bad plan and no one was going to bother PMing me, particularly after chaos13 pointed it out. There's no need to let things like that fester in peoples minds, so I addressed it. Makes sense?

Every player in every mafia game ever should be 'afraid' of being under suspicion, at least in the sense that you should do what you can to appear town-aligned and not get mislynched. Oozing green is the best trait any pro-town player can have.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 19:47 GMT
#158
On July 13 2011 01:08 Kurumi wrote:
Also Radfield.. On the page 5 You said You'll announce who sold You the BP vest, but on this page You say we shouldn't announce contracts at all. It's a contradiction.


Lets not be silly. What I said in regards to both those points make perfect sense unless you are trying to nit-pick my posts to make me look bad.
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On July 13 2011 01:39 Jackal58 wrote:
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On July 13 2011 00:36 Radfield wrote:
On July 12 2011 22:42 chaos13 wrote:
On July 12 2011 19:25 Radfield wrote:
Lets get down to brass tax: Who's selling me a bulletproof vest?

I may be in the market to buy up some votes for Day 1, PM me if interested.


But most importantly:
Who wants to sell me an RPG

It's vitally important that I shoot someone with an RPG this game in order to maximize fun


So you're looking to buy votes on Day 1, the time in the game that it is least likely we will lynch scum. You also want an RPG, which provides you with additional means of killing someone, which also does not guarantee you will kill scum. Noted, you're going down on my suspect list.



yeah, I was trying to see if anyone would bite by offering to sell me their vote. It would peg them either as scum or as someone with a cash ability. In retrospect it was probably a bit too transparent.

As far as an RPG, it provides me with a means of killing someone, not an additional means. I play a patient, thoughtful style of mafia and have no intention of firing at the first player who pops on my scumdar. I am also fairly decent at finding reds, though I'll admit that I'm somewhat weak when it comes to PM games, which I don't normally join.

As an advertisement to business, I have defensive weapons to sell. If you are interested, PM me.


This seems like a risky thing to be posting in public. Surely it makes far more sense for you to be PMing players you have pro-town reads on rather than letting everyone know.


Smells like role fishing to me.


Why did you post this? I made it clear I was role fishing, no bones about it.

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On July 13 2011 01:50 Kurumi wrote:
Guys, are we going for inactive lynch or scummiest person lynch Day 1?
Also Radfield smells worse and worse for me..
PM trap without good enough skills (thanks Palmar)
Role fishing (thanks Jackal58)
Contradiction about BP (possible trap for future?)
Wanted to buy:
BP
Votes (said it was a trap)
RPG


Great play by play. Glad to know I've been pegged as scum after 4 posts. At which point did I smell bad, and then go to smelling worse exactly? Post 3? Post 4? I'm genuinely interested in where the tipping point was for you Kurumi. Also, lol at 'PM trap without good enough skills"

The reason I'm bad at PM games, is because too much happens behind the scenes. I excel when presented with information, and my ability to sift through that info. However, with PM games most of the important info goes on without me seeing it, which kinda makes things less fun. Also, I tend to not bother PMing people in PM games, which is something I'm trying to remedy. It's not that I can't use PMs, the problem is that I typically don't.


On July 13 2011 04:08 GMarshal wrote:
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On July 13 2011 04:03 Nisani201 wrote:
On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote:
Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?

Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi.

Lynching lurkers might seem like a good idea in a large game, but in a small game like this I wouldn't recommend it. Lurkers almost always end up being Town aligned. And that lost townie, even if he's a lurker, carries a lot of weight because we can't let the Mafia outnumber us. In a normal game, a single lurker doesn't matter as much in terms of quantity.

Ace said this once, in my first game, and while I disagreed with him then I agree with him now.

"Kill people who aren't going to help you win"

Lurkers are serving as bait for mafia in lylo and dragging us down. We need to exterminate them like the vermin they are.



The idea of killing a 'lurker' is not a sound one. Killing someone who you think is scummy is almost always a better play in my mind. Now, if someone is lurking and seems like they're trying to fly under the radar, then absolutely they should be lynched, not because they are lurking however, but because what they are doing is fundamentally scummy. And you lynch someone because they are scummy. So yes, killing a lurker is fine, as long as your doing it because you think they are scum.

The real power of the Day 1 lynch is to get everyone's votes down on paper. If you vote for a player who is inactive on Day 1, the mafia will be more than happy to jump on board, and town learns absolutely nothing from Day 1 because the mafia all had clear cut reasons to vote. However, if you lynch someone who's actually playing the game, that forces mafia to come out in the open and make up an opinion and LIE about why they think that player is scum. If you are lynching a townie day 1, every mafia player has to make up some crap post about why they think that player is scummy, and that's how you find mafia.

Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 19:55 GMT
#161
I honestly don't understand how you guys think people are super-scummy after the game is less than 24 hours old.....
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 20:00 GMT
#165
On July 13 2011 04:54 Jackal58 wrote:
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On July 13 2011 04:47 Radfield wrote:
Why did you post this? I made it clear I was role fishing, no bones about it.

To ensure that everybody saw it and was aware of it. Most people I've ever seen fishing for roles were scum.


Fair enough, but I made it awfully clear what I was doing.

It would peg them either as scum or as someone with a cash ability.

+
I find it likely that there are certain pro-town abilities(investigations, medics, etc) that require money to activate.


Trying to learn what players roles are is all mafia is. Being able to peg someone as a definite red/blue is extremely handy.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 20:25 GMT
#181
On July 13 2011 05:03 heist wrote:
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On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote:
Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?

Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi.


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On July 13 2011 04:35 sandroba wrote:
1) I'm not advocating a lurker lynch
2) I'm not defending Radfield

That said he does not strike me as scummy and I would rather we pressure really scummy people like kurumi and nisani.


Sandroba I don't see in any way how Kurumi is more scummy at this point than Radfield based on actions alone. On the contrary, Kurumi is pointing out what exactly makes Radfield our leading suspect (although the BP contradiction is quite bs). role-fishing is one of the scummiest things to do. Isn't it a bit suspicious that radfield folds on his trap after one line of inquiry? That said, is he super-scummy? No but I like his chances at flipping red more than a lurker's.



I have zero votes heist, and in no way shape or form am I the most scummy player in this thread. However, given that certain players seem to be bent on spending their time focused on me today, here is my proposal: Set aside your suspicions for 1 cycle. If by day 2 you still think I am the best target for a lynch, then push me with all your might. However, in the meantime, stop focusing on my terrible first post that had apprx 3 minutes of thought, and instead look around at the other players in the thread. I am confident that by day 2 my posting will have spoken for itself.

Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 21:30 GMT
#195
On July 13 2011 06:14 GMarshal wrote:
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On July 13 2011 06:10 Palmar wrote:
On July 13 2011 05:16 GMarshal wrote:
Wait, Chezinu is playing in this?

Day 1 target acquired.


That's interesting.

You suggested exactly the same thing day 1 as scum in CCM.

You know that if we policy lynch him scum will basically get a free pass day 1 hiding behind a policy lynch.

And I will *continue* to suggest it. As long as Chez remains so hard to read.

I love the guy, he is hilarious, but he makes scumhunting harder.


Chez in a PM game is even harder. But reading him is easy, if he hasn't bagged the whole scum team by Day 2, Day 3 at the latest.... off with his head
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 22:29 GMT
#202
I don't see the case on OriginalName. His posting looks legit for the moment.

Sandroba looks fine for now as well, though I'll admit I'm a bit biased, partly because he was posting the things I was thinking, partly because he was my scum buddy last game.

Nisani, how is chaos13 playing protown? He's only made two posts....



missed a quote tag there chez... i'm disappointed.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 22:42 GMT
#206
On July 13 2011 07:29 syllogism wrote:
Even if that ability is real, I would recommend not using it right now, unless there is an extremely good reason. Your role says nothing of your alignment and appears to reveal a lot of information to you.


Is this to Chezinu? He's just having some fun.

Who do you think we should lynch today?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 22:47 GMT
#208
On July 13 2011 07:37 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:28 sandroba wrote:
What reasons a townie has for making this post you just made?
1) You are acknowlodging the scumminess in your first post, while contradicting yourself. You say the reason people think it's scummy is because of the lack of confidense, but you seem pretty confident in lynching Radfield on your first post. Your meek tone and the overreaction points to inherent guilt.
2) Your uncalled for list of reads. You are not pushing anyone. You are not trying to get info. The only reason for that list is to share your reads to look good. No one asked you for it yet, but you feel compeled to clear yourself before any more suspicion arise. Again, inherent guilt.


1) The Radfield accusation did not have much confidence. If you think that it is, good for you, but I am telling you right now that I don't think he is the best lynch anymore.
2) I'm not sure how to please you people. In RTM a bandwagon formed against me because I didn't share my opinions. In this game I give my opinions on a few people and you see it as scummy? Bullshit.



Don't worry about pleasing people, just keep posting in a consise and constructive format and the rest will sort itself out.

I'm still unsure why you found Chaos13 pro-town given he only has 2 posts.,both of them attacking other players. Also, you listed 4 people you think are either town or are unsure on, who do you think is scummy? Who do you think is a good lynch target.
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