Not a lot to say, the VOD's speak for themself =).

Destiny opens with 11 Overpool to expand safely and fast teches into mass ling/infestor/broodlord play.

Bomber-Destiny Game 3 (Game one and two also on youtube. However this is the most pure game).

Probably Bomber was not used to this style, marine tank so far does not counter it

Chylouk

United Kingdom30 Posts

July 04 2011 11:18 GMT

This build is good i have been watching him use it for some time on the ladders now but it dose seam to be week to constant aggression and anything that can get rid of the infestors energy.

Destiny also needs to think outside the box and start to do something different as people know what is coming now and will just blind defend it.

protheros

Portugal53 Posts

July 04 2011 11:27 GMT

I was always sure this would happen. If he plays a player that doesn't see it coming it's just about unstoppable.

Ahelvin

France1866 Posts

July 04 2011 11:37 GMT

Interesting style. Very map-dependent since you need this very wide area in the center to be able to defend the 9:30 push with just zerglings against marine/tanks, but once it's done you have shitloads of spare gas to be spent on upgrades and infestors.

You also need to be very good with your early game larva/ressources management and be able to cut drones at 45... Interesting high-level zerg build.

whersmyspacebar

United States220 Posts

July 04 2011 11:50 GMT

Basicly you camp untill you have the deathball and then amove across the map, the weakness of this build is the fact that there are no banelings, so mass marines with medivacs and skipping the tanks, dropping all over the places counters this

edit: also you cant be agressive with this build as zerg, so taking a quick 3rd can't be punished

Dan885

United States35 Posts

July 04 2011 15:36 GMT

i had so much fun watching this build work completely new and smashing the "standard" marine tank medivac the great thing was because he was massing infester he could lose energy on some of them to ghosts cause he was building so many as well as giving him teh ability to grab vikings to kill them instead of fungal growth since bomber purposely spread out his vikings to avoid being fungalled
this was an amazing game with american ingenuity beating a TOP TOP level korean
nothing i love seeing more :D
congrats Destiny on your great win

Jarlax

76 Posts

July 04 2011 15:50 GMT

it feels like blue flame helion drops would kill this build - there is no ling speed for very long time and if he get drops + helions idk how can u defend with slow lings and few queens... maybe top top player could do smth but 99% would just die.

nekolux

Singapore38 Posts

July 04 2011 15:57 GMT

You dont need banes if you have infestors properly placed all over. + I'm sure he could have worked in a baneling's nest somewhere in there and with the mass lings he can easily morph in banes whenever he needs to

mustache

Switzerland309 Posts

July 04 2011 16:00 GMT

pretty common knowledge that terrans are having a very hard time against infestor broodlords.

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Premier

United States503 Posts

July 04 2011 16:03 GMT

#10

It's a great build... if you're not prepared for it like Bomber was. Since he had no idea what was coming, he got absolutely rolled, but the zerg cant be aggressive with harassment (no mutas) and have slow lings for a long time, which is abusable by taking drops and expanding frequently. Because the zerg cant put out much pressure, the terran would be free to take map control.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Destiny, congratulations on playing great and winning with a unique style.

Hollis

United States505 Posts

July 04 2011 16:04 GMT

#11

On July 05 2011 01:00 mustache wrote:
pretty common knowledge that terrans are having a very hard time against infestor broodlords.

Not as hard a time as zerg vs protoss deathball methinks.

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R4TM

Brazil140 Posts

July 04 2011 16:09 GMT

#12

From 3:20 till 4:07 he was supply capped.

FlaminGinjaNinja

United Kingdom879 Posts

July 04 2011 16:12 GMT

#13

Been watching Destiny do this for weeks, i love watching him play.

The early pool is for an early queen to get injections going quicker, it's also safer against early aggression. Constant aggression does beat this since the lings tend to die very quickly and you need a couple of rounds of injections to get the numbers back up, also the energy on the infestors takes a while to come back.

I especially like this style of play because of the fast hive, i usually get ultras but i think after watching this that broods would be better

shiNe.

Canada120 Posts

July 04 2011 16:20 GMT

#14

I like the 11 pool. I find it the most interesting part. It allows a possibility of aggression if opponent is greedy and also the versatility to get that safe hatch. Also the early queen helps too. I like how safe it is

Ghad

Norway2551 Posts

July 04 2011 16:21 GMT

#15

So happy to see his Infestor play crushing face after all that practise.

ETisME

12909 Posts

July 04 2011 16:25 GMT

#16

On July 05 2011 01:03 Premier wrote:
It's a great build... if you're not prepared for it like Bomber was. Since he had no idea what was coming, he got absolutely rolled, but the zerg cant be aggressive with harassment (no mutas) and have slow lings for a long time, which is abusable by taking drops and expanding frequently. Because the zerg cant put out much pressure, the terran would be free to take map control.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Destiny, congratulations on playing great and winning with a unique style.

He used the icefisher build, pretty sure spanishwa has shown how well it can defend most form of aggression with it just with the slow lings.

I also don't agree with "no harassment". If you watched game 1 and game 3, you would see how much aggression lings and infestors can do, while it also allows him to delay any type of marine tank push.

Having mass infestors is a much different approach to "aggression" in comparison to muta.
Not only does the terran has to worried about burrowed infestors inside their base, but also infested terran can do so much tricks with tanks splash damage (breaking down the missile turrets, splashing own tanks, allowing the tanks' first shots to the eggs rather than the lings etc)

Not to mention he doesn't need any banelings to deal with marines, saving up even more gas for more infestors and faster tier 3 units (the quick hive) which benefits tons from infestors.

SirMilford

Australia1269 Posts

July 04 2011 16:32 GMT

#17

Is there something different to this build than the spanishwa build (Lots of infestors with fast upgraded lings)? Also it i get a feeling this would die to any sort of fast drops. Blue flames would demolish the lings and with proper splitting of the tanks/marines infestors are fairly nullified.

Aterons_toss

Romania1275 Posts

July 04 2011 16:35 GMT

#18

Guess col is kinda sad that they didn't made the deal with Destiny.
I would like to say that Bomber is kind of a noob getting owned by someone who isn't even considered pro but you gotta hand it to Destiny as well... insane games.
He kinda overdid it with infestor imo

Like 45 infestors was just... too much.

McGuire72

Canada140 Posts

July 04 2011 16:37 GMT

#19

These VODs were awesome, and I was really excited to see Destiny pull this off and (temporarily) silence some of his critics. I'm excited to try this style out myself. In my opinion this is still very weak to early-game timings from the Terran; if you watch game one of the series Bomber almost wins within the first 10 or so minutes with just a standard two medivac + marine drop in Destiny's natural.

toofaraway

United States15 Posts

July 04 2011 16:56 GMT

#20

On July 05 2011 01:35 Aterons_toss wrote:
Guess col is kinda sad that they didn't made the deal with Destiny.
I would like to say that Bomber is kind of a noob getting owned by someone who isn't even considered pro but you gotta hand it to Destiny as well... insane games.
He kinda overdid it with infestor imo

Like 45 infestors was just... too much.

He got all of those infestors because energy is a renewable resource and thus, when playing a starvation style as he was, he is able to cause large amounts of damage without expending more money. It's a common strategy in games that go on that long.

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