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[GSL spoiler] Recent BoxeR article

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DNB
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Finland995 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 16:35:57
June 29 2011 12:29 GMT
#1
After the recent loss from BoxeR against asdfOu, an article on the Korean news site Naver popped up describing a 'downfall' of BoxeR.

Here is the Korean article: http://osen.mt.co.kr/news/view.html?gid=G1106290357



EDIT: -- Translations below --



"‘The Fall of the Emperor’ Lim Yo Hwan, a painful trip to the PC bangs"

Back when he was in the code S semi-finals, this was not even imaginable. However, to the up-and-down matches and then to Code A, ‘Emperor’ Lim Yo Hwan(31)’s fall is never ending. Once thought to be the only player who had the capacity to take the top position in both Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2 Leagues, he now experiences the ever so painful transition to what can be known as the ‘bottom’ - Code B PC bangs.

Lim Yo Hwan failed to find his pace against the clever play from Lee Dae Jin (asdfou) in the GSL season 4 Code A Round of 32 on the 29th sponsored by Pepsi and held at Seoul shin jeong dong GomTV studio falling 0-2 hopelessly. With this, Lim Yo Hwan experienced the pain of falling to the qualifiers after participating in six seasons of GSL. This season saw him get 4 wins and 11 losses with a win rate of 26.6%.

Even from the first set, things did not work out for Boxer. His smooth transition from mech play into bio proved successful and netted him a lead but with the ever present flanks shaking his play, he slowly fell to the novice Lee Dae Jin (asdfou) and gave up his advantage.

Boxer’s gameplay in the second set was even more lacklustre. Every attack from Boxer was blocked while the opponent’s one powerful attack landed a critical hit on Boxer. Lim Yo Hwan’s strong points, the cloaked banshee and medivac drops, were over-used without much effect on his opponent resulting in being pushed back in straight up fights worsening the situation.

On the other hand, novice Lee Dae Jin took full advantage of his lead and pressured Lim Yo Hwan’s natural with his stronger firepower getting ever so close to victory and brought a surrender out of Boxer with continued attacks. "



What I understand from it is how the writers describe his downhall based off just one game... I agree BoxeR played the match badly, his game-sense was really off and he seemed indecisive in his play, but I wouldn't go as far as call it a 'downfall'. Some other notable players got down to Code B as well, so we shouldn't be so quick to judge...


His GF Jessica also tweeted about the article, being furious about the whole thing. The first tweet:
"몰락은 누구한테 하는말? 기자자격증이나 있수? 나도 기사 하나 쓰고싶네. 개나 소나 기자! 걍 스타1기사나 쭉 쓰셔요. 스타1에서 빙빙 대다가 요환의 껀수만 생기면 바로 뼈다귀 무는 강아지마냥..."

Translation of the 1st tweet:

"I guess I can't even comment about the injury (hurt part) now? Don't even think about criticizing. Sometimes I feel like I should go up and tell him "stop playing". Don't even try to make fun of (or take lightly) someone who is constantly practicing while grabbing his shoulder in pain. I'll never forgive you. Let's see what you have to say after you've been doing ANYTHING for 10 years straight, 10 hours a day. You could never pull anything off like that."


Later more tweets appeared from Jessica: "몰락은 누구한테 하는말? 기자자격증이나 있수? 나도 기사 하나 쓰고싶네. 개나 소나 기자! 걍 스타1기사나 쭉 쓰셔요. 스타1에서 빙빙 대다가 요환의 껀수만 생기면 바로 뼈다귀 무는 강아지마냥..."

Translation: "Who said anything about a downfall? You have a reporter's license or something? I wanna write a "report" too. Anyone could write a report (Lit. A dog or a cow could do a report). Why don't you just write a whole report about Starcraft 1? During Starcraft 1's day you did jack but as soon as something big about BoxeR comes up you chew it up like a dog on a bone..."


I'm making this thread so that someone Korean could possibly give us foreigners more insight to this matter. I even felt that this article reeked some bias when it comes to the SC1 vs. SC2 matter in Korea, so if that's the case I'm mad as well for the writers giving bad rep for BoxeR's career in Sc2.


Edit note: Thanks to storywriter, iamgravity and iAstra for translations
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
June 29 2011 12:31 GMT
#2
. Wouldn't surprise me if his shoulder problem is partly to blame too. (Think its his shoulder).
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Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
June 29 2011 12:37 GMT
#3
I understand why she would be upset. Losing in the first round of Code A is not indicitive of boxer's skill at all, but yet there are articles about him hitting rock bottom, like hes a terrible player now or something.

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he did insanely well in the NASL for example (and he did good in TSL 3 too)


Also, his shoulder problem probably has a big impact on his play.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
June 29 2011 12:38 GMT
#4
Well one things for sure, Google translate is terrible.
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 12:45:11
June 29 2011 12:44 GMT
#5
translate fast pls guys!

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TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
June 29 2011 12:46 GMT
#6
On June 29 2011 21:38 WArped wrote:
Well one things for sure, Google translate is terrible.
For East Asian languages especially.
DNB
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Finland995 Posts
June 29 2011 12:47 GMT
#7
On June 29 2011 21:38 WArped wrote:
Well one things for sure, Google translate is terrible.


Let's hope we get a Korean here, until that Google translate must suffice...
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
June 29 2011 12:48 GMT
#8
Can't be the best in everything now can we?
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Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
June 29 2011 12:50 GMT
#9
What kind of site is Naver, kespa/bw related or just a ordinary paper?
I am not young enough to know everything.
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
June 29 2011 12:51 GMT
#10
He is definitely not at the bottom, he has performed "okay" for playing at the level he does. This is a prime reason why you should not listen to what articles and blogs say.
vertical101
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong311 Posts
June 29 2011 12:52 GMT
#11
it must be a kespa writer i think
baby elephant
Profile Joined April 2011
273 Posts
June 29 2011 12:53 GMT
#12
really unfortunate -_- ... so many good players drop down to code b. it happens.
DNB
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Finland995 Posts
June 29 2011 12:53 GMT
#13
On June 29 2011 21:50 Jiddra wrote:
What kind of site is Naver, kespa/bw related or just a ordinary paper?


It's the most popular Korean search engine, with various categories for different news and articles
Rayonnair
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore185 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 13:07:44
June 29 2011 12:54 GMT
#14
My Korean is terribad. Reading the article, it is basically saying how Boxer has fallen. The tone is somewhat insulting, which is why SlayerS_Jessica is mad as hell. For e.g.:

Para 1 of the article: You can't imagine this happening. Boxer, at one time a player in SC1 and SC2, has fallen to Code B PC cafe level standards.

Para 2 of the article: At GSL July Code A, Boxer couldn't find his face against a relative unknown player** and fell 2-0 (direct translation is blunter: lost 2-0 without strength collapsed). [Something about tasting defeat].

The rest of the article is about the games themselves.

Edit: apparently SlayerS_Jessica is avoiding tweeting in English in case Boxer's foreign fans laugh at him? Tweet here. Extract: + Show Spoiler +
이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요..


Edit 2 for clarity: on reading her tweet it's more like "the" foreign fans will laugh, so I don't think it means the foreign fans will laugh *at* Boxer. Rather, she is being nice and trying to save the article writer's face.

**Edit 3: goddamn my Korean sucks bad. OK, so on second reading, this sentence actually looks like its saying Boxer lost against smarter play by his opponent. I will now shut the hell up and stop sowing confusion.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
June 29 2011 12:54 GMT
#15
On June 29 2011 21:50 Jiddra wrote:
What kind of site is Naver, kespa/bw related or just a ordinary paper?

I think Naver is a popular search portal on Korea. Kind of like Yahoo maybe?
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CloudCat
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore159 Posts
June 29 2011 12:54 GMT
#16
On June 29 2011 21:50 Jiddra wrote:
What kind of site is Naver, kespa/bw related or just a ordinary paper?


Naver to them is what google is to the rest of us.
pandaminion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States270 Posts
June 29 2011 12:56 GMT
#17
BoxeR is by no means a bad player, just not the best anymore. And it's been a VERY long time since he's been the best, and not just in SC2. Obviously the article is meant to be sensationalist, but on the other hand, this kind of backlash is to be expected. No one likes to see "The Emperor" fall from professional gaming, but he's been playing for over a decade -- maybe it's his time to stop?

And there's always still hope for the Team League. SlayerS Fighting!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 29 2011 12:58 GMT
#18
If the hatred is BW-motivated... what a shame. Boxer arguably the most influential BW player of all times, I think every BW fan should respect Boxer's decision to compete in SC2, and support him. But yeah, it's just journalists trying to make a living; meh.
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Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 13:03:09
June 29 2011 13:00 GMT
#19
Several people were kind enough to translate Jessica's 2nd tweet as well. This is just the first one I found looking through the thread again.


On June 29 2011 20:58 nAgeDitto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 20:56 WArped wrote:
On June 29 2011 20:50 Femari wrote:
이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요..

Another tweet from Jessica. I think she's still really pissed.



It would be great to have it translated but is she saying that overseas articles are much more respectful to Boxer?


Translation:

Its because of articles like this that e-sports isnt taken seriously as a proper sport. What kind of sport has their reporters posts the results of a match with personal feelings 'tainting' it?
Are you trying to get more viewers by 'bashing' (cant be sure) on Lim yo hwan? (the emperor/boxer)
I cant control my emotions right now... The reason why im not tweeting in english is because I dont want the foreigner fans to look at your article and laugh at it.

EDIT: so which article is she talking about? :O


Here's her twitter as well.
http://twitter.com/#!/SlayerS_Jessica/
Talking to MC?
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
June 29 2011 13:00 GMT
#20
He's been in the spotlight for so long that I'm sure this doesn't matter at all to him. Doubt this is the first time he has received negative feedback from a media source.
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