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vertical101
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong311 Posts
June 29 2011 13:01 GMT
#21
boxer is not in slump, look at his last 25match link look he beat scfOu and MKP and even nuclearfOu(asdfOu)his opponent many times. Boxer sc2ranks profile
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 29 2011 13:02 GMT
#22
About the match:

+ Show Spoiler +
Code A Ro32 is rough. You can't take a lot of risks. Boxer actually out thought himself. asdf wasn't playing that well, Boxer just kept reposition himself into bad engagements.


Boxer I think might be playing a little too much. He might need to take an Idra style "break" (by which I mean he drops his play time down a little, to rest his shoulder and not over think situations as much). He's still a capable player, but might just need a little rest. Also, hasn't he been sick lately? that probably hasn't helped either.

Another spoiler: + Show Spoiler +
SlayerS had a really rough GSL period for July. I think they just need to go back and get ready for team League and rock out there.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
June 29 2011 13:04 GMT
#23
On June 29 2011 21:54 Rayonnair wrote:
My Korean is terribad. Reading the article, it is basically saying how Boxer has fallen. The tone is somewhat insulting, which is why SlayerS_Jessica is mad as hell. For e.g.:

Para 1 of the article: You can't imagine this happening. Boxer, at one time a player in SC1 and SC2, has fallen to Code B PC cafe level standards.

Para 2 of the article: At GSL July Code A, Boxer couldn't find his face against a relative unknown player and fell 2-0 (direct translation is blunter: lost 2-0 without strength collapsed). [Something about tasting defeat].

The rest of the article is about the games themselves.

Edit: apparently SlayerS_Jessica is avoiding tweeting in English in case Boxer's foreign fans laugh at him? Tweet here. Extract: + Show Spoiler +
이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요..


Edit 2 for clarity: on reading her tweet it's more like "the" foreign fans will laugh, so I don't think it means the foreign fans will laugh *at* Boxer. Rather, she is being nice and trying to save the article writer's face.

If what you translate is accurate, it's a pretty stupid article to post. Frankly we all know that Boxer is no longer one of the top tier players in SC2. How is that a problem? The writer seems to be emphasizing more on Boxer's downfall rather than the increasing competitiveness of the SC2 scene, which is just dumb.

And just because asd is an unknown player doesn't mean he's terrible. MKP was an unknown before he placed 2nd. Nestea was a scrub before he won GSL2.
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vertical101
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong311 Posts
June 29 2011 13:07 GMT
#24
why would they write something like this, especially to the man who gave life to esport
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 13:12:55
June 29 2011 13:07 GMT
#25
It is very disrespectful. Code B, Cafe level? There is clearly some elitism involved with SC:BW from Naver, and I think Jessica is just upset that they post articles displaying SC2 in a negative fashion.
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
June 29 2011 13:07 GMT
#26
On June 29 2011 21:54 Rayonnair wrote:
My Korean is terribad. Reading the article, it is basically saying how Boxer has fallen. The tone is somewhat insulting, which is why SlayerS_Jessica is mad as hell. For e.g.:

Para 1 of the article: You can't imagine this happening. Boxer, at one time a player in SC1 and SC2, has fallen to Code B PC cafe level standards.

Para 2 of the article: At GSL July Code A, Boxer couldn't find his face against a relative unknown player and fell 2-0 (direct translation is blunter: lost 2-0 without strength collapsed). [Something about tasting defeat].

The rest of the article is about the games themselves.

Edit: apparently SlayerS_Jessica is avoiding tweeting in English in case Boxer's foreign fans laugh at him? Tweet here. Extract: + Show Spoiler +
이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요..


Edit 2 for clarity: on reading her tweet it's more like "the" foreign fans will laugh, so I don't think it means the foreign fans will laugh *at* Boxer. Rather, she is being nice and trying to save the article writer's face.


Well what jessica wrote was more that the foreign fans will laugh at the article (and the esports scene in general i guess) because of how biased it is.
Rayonnair
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore185 Posts
June 29 2011 13:10 GMT
#27
On June 29 2011 22:04 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 21:54 Rayonnair wrote:
My Korean is terribad. Reading the article, it is basically saying how Boxer has fallen. The tone is somewhat insulting, which is why SlayerS_Jessica is mad as hell. For e.g.:

Para 1 of the article: You can't imagine this happening. Boxer, at one time a player in SC1 and SC2, has fallen to Code B PC cafe level standards.

Para 2 of the article: At GSL July Code A, Boxer couldn't find his face against a relative unknown player and fell 2-0 (direct translation is blunter: lost 2-0 without strength collapsed). [Something about tasting defeat].

The rest of the article is about the games themselves.

Edit: apparently SlayerS_Jessica is avoiding tweeting in English in case Boxer's foreign fans laugh at him? Tweet here. Extract: + Show Spoiler +
이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요..


Edit 2 for clarity: on reading her tweet it's more like "the" foreign fans will laugh, so I don't think it means the foreign fans will laugh *at* Boxer. Rather, she is being nice and trying to save the article writer's face.

If what you translate is accurate, it's a pretty stupid article to post. Frankly we all know that Boxer is no longer one of the top tier players in SC2. How is that a problem? The writer seems to be emphasizing more on Boxer's downfall rather than the increasing competitiveness of the SC2 scene, which is just dumb.

And just because asd is an unknown player doesn't mean he's terrible. MKP was an unknown before he placed 2nd. Nestea was a scrub before he won GSL2.


Sorry, on second reading I realized my translation was screwed. It's saying Boxer lost to a smarter play by his opponent. I've edited the earlier post and will now shut the hell up and not confuse people.
Zinjil
Profile Joined February 2011
United States166 Posts
June 29 2011 13:17 GMT
#28
Code A is ridiculously volatile. There are new faces popping up each season that deserve to be in code S. Boxer has very recently been doing incredibly well in NASL, and got to at least the top 16 of the TSL (I can't remember which round he went out). During this time he has been building one of the most impressive, up-and-coming teams in professional gaming on his shoulders, and all the while apparently with health problems that have adversely affected his ability to practice in the standard Korean manner.

This has the possibility to go in a couple different ways, depending on what Boxer wants to focus on. It could be his Obi-wan vs Darth Vader moment, where he is struck down and steps into the background and allows his pupils to come to the fore. Then again, it could just be time for Boxer's fifteenth comeback. I'm hoping for the latter.
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
June 29 2011 13:21 GMT
#29
well then, what about his performance on the NASL?
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Nightkaira
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore412 Posts
June 29 2011 13:22 GMT
#30
hes playing with an injury, imagine TLO playing with his injury. period ...
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
June 29 2011 13:23 GMT
#31
Pfft. MMA and Dongraegu are in the same position struggling to break into code A. Sometimes players just have inconsitent results from time to time.

Boxer's in the NASL finals, if he puts out a good performance there people will forget about his recent problems.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
June 29 2011 13:27 GMT
#32
It takes the lowest of the low to seek fame through another man's misfortune.
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storywriter
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 13:30:57
June 29 2011 13:27 GMT
#33
‘The Fall of the Emperor’ Lim Yo Hwan, a painful trip to the PC bangs

Back when he was in the code S semi-finals, this was not even imaginable. However, to the up-and-down matches and then to Code A, ‘Emperor’ Lim Yo Hwan(31)’s fall is never ending. Once thought to be the only player who had the capacity to take the top position in both Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2 Leagues, he now experiences the ever so painful transition to what can be known as the ‘bottom’ - Code B PC bangs.

Lim Yo Hwan failed to find his pace against the clever play from Lee Dae Jin (asdfou) in the GSL season 4 Code A Round of 32 on the 29th sponsored by Pepsi and held at Seoul shin jeong dong GomTV studio falling 0-2 hopelessly. With this, Lim Yo Hwan experienced the pain of falling to the qualifiers after participating in six seasons of GSL. This season saw him get 4 wins and 11 losses with a win rate of 26.6%.

Even from the first set, things did not work out for Boxer. His smooth transition from mech play into bio proved successful and netted him a lead but with the ever present flanks shaking his play, he slowly fell to the novice Lee Dae Jin (asdfou) and gave up his advantage.

Boxer’s gameplay in the second set was even more lacklustre. Every attack from Boxer was blocked while the opponent’s one powerful attack landed a critical hit on Boxer. Lim Yo Hwan’s strong points, the cloaked banshee and medivac drops, were over-used without much effect on his opponent resulting in being pushed back in straight up fights worsening the situation.

On the other hand, novice Lee Dae Jin took full advantage of his lead and pressured Lim Yo Hwan’s natural with his stronger firepower getting ever so close to victory and brought a surrender out of Boxer with continued attacks.

(Very first attempt at translation hopefully it'll help until someone else comes up with a better one)
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Fadetowhite
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)302 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 13:40:12
June 29 2011 13:28 GMT
#34
i think she reacted that way because Boxer was feeling like he was on par with the other pro's thats why he stepped up for his team in the GSTL. and this article will really hurt him in that regard considering he has been practicing like crazy and putting up somewhat good results in foreign tournaments.

The way this article is worded is very negative towards his play and towards SC2 in general and she doesnt want Boxer to give up his dreams because of some stupid article.
I myself think that Boxer will be alright considering he has good practice partners in the Slayers team house and the mentality to never give up!

hope my english not 2 bad
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papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
June 29 2011 13:29 GMT
#35
BoxeR is ofc not one of the best sc2 players out there.

But he is definetely better than today. We don't need an article bashing on him. I'd say BoxeRs skill level is somewhere in between code A - code S.

And if he doesn't retire I expect to see him there.
BushidoSnipr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States910 Posts
June 29 2011 13:31 GMT
#36
I feel a little sad because SlayerSJessica feels hurt by this too, and feels the need to defend. Hopefully BoxeR can get better, shoulder and SC2. I hope he wins the NASL!
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
June 29 2011 13:34 GMT
#37
Boxer is old now, but still he is the emperor, so I have a feeling he will come back just like Stu Ungar came back in -97. Also, Nestea is the best player in the world, and he is only 2 years younger than Boxer.
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Disquiet
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 13:36:49
June 29 2011 13:34 GMT
#38
Even if boxer is not bonjwa level anymore, I think his fans still admire his competitive spirit for still playing at his age. And as others have said hes still a competent player, he won his game in the team league last week and is doing well in NASL.

Even if he lost every game from now on I'd still respect his past achievements just as much. I hope he keeps trying to get back in code A for atleast a few seasons, his games are usually entertaining to watch. Pretty sad day for me today, 2 of my favorite players losing(boxer and MKP). Oh well atleast jinro won, and if he can break his slump, so can boxer.
iamgravity
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 13:35:50
June 29 2011 13:35 GMT
#39
This is a copy/paste of my post on reddit:

I got this:

First tweet: http://twitter.com/#!/SlayerS_Jessica/status/85985428607483904

"I guess I can't even comment about the injury (hurt part) now? Don't even think about criticizing. Sometimes I feel like I should go up and tell him "stop playing". Don't even try to make fun of (or take lightly) someone who is constantly practicing while grabbing his shoulder in pain. I'll never forgive you. Let's see what you have to say after you've been doing ANYTHING for 10 years straight, 10 hours a day. You could never pull anything off like that.

Second post: http://twitter.com/#!/SlayerS_Jessica/status/86028665380536320

"Who said anything about a downfall? You have a reporter's license or something? I wanna write a "report" too. Anyone could write a report (Lit. A dog or a cow could do a report). Why don't you just write a whole report about Starcraft 1? During Starcraft 1's day you did jack but as soon as something big about BoxeR comes up you chew it up like a dog on a bone..."

Mad mad props to iAstra with helping to translate this.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 29 2011 13:36 GMT
#40
This is pretty disgusting tbh. But Boxer is a champion, he'll be back.
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