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On June 26 2011 02:03 Lanaia wrote: Oh, so this is where chaos13 is from. I knew he couldn't be 100% newb. ...what? | ||
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On June 26 2011 10:25 Lanaia wrote: You were in the #mafia channel that I'm opped in! red brought you there, yes? Wasn't sure if you were uber newb or not. We've had a lot lately. Ah, that's what it was. I definitely prefer forum mafia to IRC though | ||
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Stop leaving! We just get ready to go and someone drops out again | ||
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On June 28 2011 08:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: yall calm down I am working out some kinks. Will start it tonight. Nisani, I think it's time for your YES video. | ||
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This means we don't have to worry about pressuring lurkers or inactives, as roles will take care of it. Therefore, our Day 1 priority needs to be creating a good pro-town atmosphere. This means not making random accusations, and not spamming and posting one-liners. Keep your contributions quality rather than quantity. Do not be afraid of the lurker list and post every single thought you have if it isn't relevant. Let's make it so mafia cannot hide due to us just being too damn pro-town. | ||
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On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote: Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion. | ||
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On June 28 2011 12:27 youngminii wrote: I respectfully disagree with your philosophy of not being aggressive against anyone. More pressure = more slip ups, that's the point. Just don't take it personally and bandwagon it etc. There is a difference between being aggressive and being anti-town. I would also like to bring this post to light: On June 28 2011 11:57 youngminii wrote: Good post GMarshal, I wasn't aware scum were targeting lurkers too this game. It's almost as if they're a 3rd party faction. I like how you make a giant warning against lurkers when the game itself is designed to punish them. "I wasn't aware scum were targeting lurkers too this game." After reading through GMarshal's post again, the only conclusion I can come to is that you mean to call GM scummy, when that post is one of the most pro-town things I have seen and probably will see this whole game. I'm all for pressuring and being aggressive. What I am not for is making weak accusations without evidence to support them | ||
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On June 28 2011 13:24 GMarshal wrote: Why? What goal is this list trying to achieve? What use do you intend to put it to? I mean if you give me a good justification I don't mind doing it, but it needs to have a purpose that helps the town, rather than cluttering space ^_^ If 5/7 of the experienced veteran players are dead by day 3/4 and the new or intermediate players are starting to die instead, it's a good indication you've got mafia and should really start examining those player's posts. It's a tool I use in every game that is generally quite effective. Normally I would just make one and keep it to myself, but I don't know a lot of the names here or the meta that goes along with me, so I would appreciate some input from someone who does  | ||
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On June 28 2011 13:37 Torqez wrote: Odd post. How does this help us who are new to TL anyway? Roles are all randomised. So given that there are some players with better analytical skills than others, we can expect to have some in town and some in mafia, obviously. Like someone else said, it's just painting targets though. Plus, with the Lurker List (this is new to me btw), everyone should be actively involved anyway with the way they see the game devloping. This is exactly what makes it effective. Because, if the veteran/experienced players are town, they are likely to be shot early on by mafia. The mafia players will still be alive, however, (provided they haven't been lynched/vigi shot, and depending on their skill level they will probably be easily able to avoid this) and therefore when you have one or two skilled players who have not been killed early on, you need to start looking really closely at their posts because it is that much more likely (based on simple probability) that they are mafia. From that point, you can make a reasonable guess as to their alignment based on analysis. | ||
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theAwesomeAll - You're doing a lot of weak FoS'ing and fingerpointing, but you are at least trying to come up with a case for each one. What I suggest you do is calm down a bit and really start analyzing those players and come up with a solid case, and for today just focus on one or two. However, you've shown that you are active and ready to share your thoughts, so I think you are most likely town. youngminii - I'm still not comfortable with you. Yes, you improved your FoS' slightly, but they're still flying all over the place and still targeting seemingly random players. I would give you the same advice I suggested to theAwesomAll. Get more evidence before you accuse someone. Sinani206 - Lots of fluff from you, little of substance. I would like to see more opinions from you on other players. All I can recall at the moment is discussion of lurkers/game mechanics and other safe topics. Jackal58 - He isn't as active as usual, but I felt that his one post was very pro-town. At the point he made it we had fallen into a mess discussing lurkers when that topic had already been resolved at the beginning of the game, and he stopped this. As town he loves making angry posts about how dumb town is being, and they almost always serve to get discussion back on track. One thing I feel needs to be mentioned: We have five different people with 1-2 votes each on them. This won't do us any good, since scum can support any one of those arguments and make a sly vote that won't put them in the spotlight. We need to keep our lynch candidates to a small number so that scum are pressured to make a decision. | ||
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What do you think of syllogism and sinani206? | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:34 Palmar wrote: Why does your town play always consist of soft defending and asking questions? Or is that your scum play too? That's just the way I roll as town. I generally ask questions without revealing my opinion first so I can compare someone's thoughts to mine. If I have a town read and people are attacking them, I'll generally defend them so we can avoid a bad lynch. When I find someone I think is scum, I'll make an analysis on them. However, I'm also happy to answer any questions directed towards me. I won't hold back my opinions. I've only played one game as scum before, but my play in it consisted of attacking lurkers and being the town leader. I also voted for inactives/lurkers so I wouldn't have to be accountable for voting someone who flipped town. My play styles are very different. | ||
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No. I do not condone lynching without analysis. I have never said this, and I never will say this. I'm constantly amazed at how the point of such a tool goes right over everyone's head. Please note that I was not actually accusing you of being scum (that wasn't the intent of my post, at least), I just wanted to see you contribute more, because I couldn't get a read on you due to your lack of posts with content. I would still like to hear your opinion on Sinani206 and syllogism. | ||
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On June 29 2011 09:33 sandroba wrote: Can everyone pls read my post that's been spammed out by 20 oneliners: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=23#452 And give an opinion on sinani206? I'm as yet unsure on 206. At the beginning of the game he seemed like he was being spammy and trying to make an appearance of contributing, but he has since improved his posting some. In reference to the 'slips' he made, I don't think they are slips at all. They aren't very good posts, but I do not believe they are scum slips. I want to see more from him before I make a decision or vote for him. After looking through the thread again, someone who really stands out to me is Cthasza. Fluff posts: Warning - Lots of em + Show Spoiler + One-liner spam. Does not contribute. On June 28 2011 12:30 Cthsazsa wrote: I agree with what Chaos13 said about the whole "setting up a pro-town atmosphere". No need for the useless fingerpointing when we're only about 20 minutes into the game. Also, flawed plan =/= scum. I think some of us learned that from PTP? lol. Repeats what has already been said without adding anything new. On June 28 2011 12:34 Cthsazsa wrote: That was more directed towards youngminii then anyone else but alrighty. One-liner spam again. On June 28 2011 12:57 Cthsazsa wrote: If it's going to help in nailing down scum, why wouldn't it be something worth discussing? The way I see it actually turning into spam is if people keep bringing up the plans even though majority of town agree's No. Does not contribute anything meaningful. On June 28 2011 13:12 Cthsazsa wrote: I'm interested in hearing it LSB. If there's any flaws, we dismiss it as a bad plan and move on. Simple, no? Spamerrific. On June 28 2011 15:03 Cthsazsa wrote: Oh lawd Lanaia -__- I'm sorry if I sound rude, I'm really not trying to be, but if you're wondering what a Zodiac list is just Google it. I dont want there to be 2 pages full of nothing but Zodiac discussion like in PTP. This is less useful than if he just explained what the damn thing is. On June 28 2011 15:45 Cthsazsa wrote: Sorry, I couldn't help but lol. That was so random. Vigi hit or mafia? I think if it was scum, they might as well have used all KP and killed 3 people? More spam! Is anyone else getting as tired of this as I am? On June 28 2011 15:47 Cthsazsa wrote: ebwop: Never mind, I doubt it was vigi. They only have one bullet, and the compulsive vigi's cant shoot until Day 2. ...spam... And now we get to something interesting: a big FoS on Drazerk. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 07:40 Cthsazsa wrote: I've just finished reading each and every one of Drazerk's posts. With all of his one-liner type posts this dude is talking just to remain off the lurker list while trying to blend in with town and look like he's contributing. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 16:38 Drazerk wrote: Right I have just woke up and I am read the thread. @Sandroba - Ive not got an Opinion on Gm yet he seems to be pro town just crazy about killing lurkers which would not be a bad thing in any other game but with the lurker mechanic all the scum will More or less be spamming to stay off it. As for Young His plan seemed to revolve around the mafia only having 1 KP which could of been a mistake rather than a Deliberate plan to confuse the medics but it is less likely to be a mafia ploy since he would know about the KP. It is possible for Gm to be scum but I still need to read through the whole of the thread before i can make my mind up Drazerk's very first post of the game. It contains nothing of value, except for the very last sentence. He is very hesitant to choose a side. He's waiting for what everyone else has to say before he makes a move. On June 28 2011 21:46 Drazerk wrote: After reading Dropbear's post on Henry is anyone Else suspicious of Edward the first? At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later ) As other people have said the majority of his posts are him stating they are not the same person and the only thing he has truly contributed was outlining a mistake by Chaos Either Alerting his mafia buddies of a possible medic claim or just being stupid Personally Im suspecting Both Edward and Henry due to the amount of Fluff they are producing to keep of that lurker list This was your 2nd post of the game and it contained nothing worth mentioning or reading, yet you're criticizing Nisani for not contributing? Personally it looks like you're just talking to stay off the lurker list. It also looks like you're trying to make a bandwagon on the twins. Your only reason for FoS'ing them is "DropBear said so" and "they're posting fluff". Wtf? On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote: Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game ) First off I think it's hilarious how everyone missed the sarcasm in Palmar's post. Why won't you tell us why they're possible scum? & yes, their conversation was pointless but there was no other real discussion happening while Sinani did that. Also you're acting very hypocritical because your first 3 posts haven't done anything except cause me to find you suspicious. There you go. Drazerk's first three posts of the game. What was the importance of the Big 3? He refused to choose a side until other people voiced their opinion. As soon as DropBear brought up the twins, Drazerk flew in from nowhere and immediately FoS'd them. His reasons were so weak and contradictory they aren't worth an FoS and look more like an attempt to start a bandwagon. You're saying that they're scum for posting fluff/not contributing, but read these 3 posts and tell me you're not doing the same exact thing as them. It looks like Drazerk was posting just cause. He had nothing valuable that was worth saying. Drazerk goes on to vote for Sinani206, which is weird because he clearly said that (for some reason I have yet to know) he finds Sinani201 (Nisani) to be the more suspicious one. His next three posts are all empty one-liners that aren't worth quoting. his 7th post. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote: How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre? Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive ) As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything. Make up your mind man! Why weren't you able to make up your mind about GM?? You have also yet to explain why the twins are a viable lynch target. Again, it adds absolutely nothing -_- This is probably his biggest post of the game, and even if I put it in spoilers I think it would still clutter up this post >_> But here it is. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=19#363 TL;DR ? Good. That means as mafia he achieved his goal. He made a HUGE-ASS post that looks like it's contributing, but it doesn't do jack shit. Look past the words and it's an empty post with nothing. Absolutely no valuable. The ONLY THING that post did was explain why he doesn't think GMarshal is scum. He then proceeds to bring up the list, which I believe was already a dead discussion, quotes the WHOLE DAMN THING and simply says "It will be important in the future" His next 6 posts have a bare minimum of 2 SENTENCES in them. They don't contribute shit. All he's doing is talking just to stay off the lurker list while not helping Town at all. I ask everyone to spare 10 minutes of their time and read Drazerk's post history in this thread. He hasn't done jack squat all the while trying to start a bandwagon and accuse people of the same exact crime he is committing. As of now I find him a way better lynch candid then anyone else here. I will be voting for Drazerk, and I plan to keep it there. ##Vote: Drazerk What makes this FoS interesting is that for all it's length, it is really rather weak. His first statement is that he feels Drazerk is scummy because he isn't attempting to contribute and is just spamming. So...why all the spam from yourself, Cthasza? The posts of Drazerk's you referenced had more content than yours. This is literally the only post you have made all game that is longer than a few lines. ##Vote: Cthasza | ||
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On June 29 2011 10:47 Cthsazsa wrote: Explain how the posts I quoted have more content than mine. That's really damned hard to believe. Also, should I quote every single of his one-liners as well? I was the first (and only) person to say that flawed plans do not equal scum is a lesson learned from PTP. Personally I dont think most of those posts are spam. I was pushing for discussion of LSB's plan because he was hesitating to tell us. Sinani was confused about who I was referring to, why would I simply ignore him? Since there was no other discussion happening at the time I decided there was no harm in pondering if the hit was scum or vigi. The answer was obvious, so I think that one post actually might qualify as spam. Actually if I explained the whole concept of a Zodiac list it would just clutter up the thread with useless shit. Read: PTP Since when did ebwop's become spam? It's funny how you're saying Drazerk's post has more content then me, which is a blatant lie. If you dont believe me then go back and read his post history, plz. Try again before calling me scum, kthanxbye That's actually a really good defense Cthsazsa, and you've alleviated my fears that you're scum. Thank you for the quick response. I'll take my vote off of you before day ends. I'm beginning to agree about Drazerk, but there are a few questions I have regarding that: 1. How do we know he is just not noob town? Has he played much before? 2. Why is there no resistance to his lynch party? 3. If he is mafia, you would think his scumbuddies would be helping him improve his posting. | ||
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On June 29 2011 01:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Only 4 pages in 8 hours...not bad guys, but it seems we're caught up in a lot of mudslinging and tunneling, something I thought we as a town vowed not to do d1. Yes, we have to find a lynch target for today...but come on guys. Bring a case with SUBSTANCE. I know, I haven't done much in the way of scumhunting yet. You don't have to remind me. I'm working on a case as we speak. Just letting you know I'm awake and reading. Ciao! This post was made 12 hours ago. As Palmar pointed out, I haven't seen a case yet. Why not? | ||
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