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Drazerk
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Looks interesting and mini mafia is pretty much dead | ||
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Drazerk
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On June 27 2011 23:30 Sinani201 wrote: What is the difference between Townie and Miller? Millers Come back as Scum To DT checks while townies don't | ||
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@Sandroba - Ive not got an Opinion on Gm yet he seems to be pro town just crazy about killing lurkers which would not be a bad thing in any other game but with the lurker mechanic all the scum will More or less be spamming to stay off it. As for Young His plan seemed to revolve around the mafia only having 1 KP which could of been a mistake rather than a Deliberate plan to confuse the medics but it is less likely to be a mafia ploy since he would know about the KP. It is possible for Gm to be scum but I still need to read through the whole of the thread before i can make my mind up | ||
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At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later ) On June 28 2011 14:37 Sinani201 wrote: You're right, the exchange wasn't necessary. But he wanted someone new to talk, and he knew that I was online at the time. As other people have said the majority of his posts are him stating they are not the same person and the only thing he has truly contributed was outlining a mistake by Chaos Either Alerting his mafia buddies of a possible medic claim or just being stupid On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote: From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic. Personally Im suspecting Both Edward and Henry due to the amount of Fluff they are producing to keep of that lurker list | ||
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On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote: only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was: a) post fluff, lists and useless shit b) claim veteran c) get lynched. It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway. But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing. Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game ) | ||
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On June 29 2011 01:04 sandroba wrote: Okay, go read syllogism big post about medics optmization and ask yourself if it makes sense for mafia to be posting that. Now go DT check drazek, because he's scum. Well that one is unexpected - Go on scan me i have nothing to hide | ||
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On June 29 2011 01:15 Vain wrote: So, wait a minute, lets look at this for a moment. And then goes to vote: So, first he states one guy is scum and then he's like: "oh nvm that ill vote for the OTHER GUY" wat I stated i was suspicious of both of them but 201 over 206 - if your all going to vote for someone it is best to consolidate votes preventing a mafia lynch swing | ||
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You mainly produce fluff to keep you off the lurker list only appearing when it suits you which is generally scummy behavior | ||
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On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote: YM and Syllo stop arguing with each other, you arent producing anything. Who are you talking about? What do you think? cast your vote? You are soft defending him, like really really soft. Almost as if you dont want to be associated with him if he were to turn red. Dont do that . Also you are playing so defensive what was that post about, who is accusing you? FoS list hiro GM syllogism Drazerk YM stop spamming, you are not doing the town any favors. Also arguing with Syllo will only does him favors if he is scum. In general these stupid 'fights' are really anti town since mafia can blend in, participate, post, with 0% slip chance. Why is everyone ignoring GM?? I posted a LOT on him and no one is responding? Dropbear posted 2 posts 1 accusing GM 1 accusing *Henry* Drazerk comes in and Asking if anyone else felt like he did after that post of Dropbear. Removing all his responsability, then he waits for Palmar to vote before he votes. Discussion derailed. As pointed out above drazerk is obvious mafia, But he isnt sitting back, hes actively derailing the thread so GMarshal doesnt get lynched Drazerk do you think GM is mafia? Can you defend yourself? Do you think Hiro is mafia? How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre? Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive ) As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything. | ||
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On June 29 2011 01:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Do you really think they are both scum? seems a bit unlikely doesnt it? From my experience the more unlikely something is the more likely it is to happen ... if that makes any sense at all Why not have both of them as mafia would be pretty easy to hide as "RL friends" | ||
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We shall start at the beginning then. Pretty much as soon as the game begins He starts his campaign against lurkers. On June 28 2011 11:54 GMarshal wrote: ![[image loading]](http://cdn1.staztic.com/screenshots/death-scythe-live-wallpaper-13-1.jpg) Lets get this show on the road then. Activity is not going to create itself, and we need to make sure we have a working game. Basically allow me to start with this little tidbit. Lurkers, this is your first and final warning. I will *not* allow you to lurk. If you aren't going to be active you are *very* quickly not going to be alive anymore. Consider it my... promise... to you. gtrsrs. Hi. Pull shit like you did in SNMMIV, where you essentially sabotaged the town by creating a horrible day 1 atmosphere and I will absolutely *relish* your death. I don't want to kill you, but if you threaten this towns chances at victory I will. Players who want to be trolls. Same applies to you, I will not allow it, period, not happening, not on my watch. We will win this, we will kill scum, and no one is going to keep that from happening as long as I have the power to impede it. Any questions? This is actually a pretty common tactic to spark discussion at the start of a game and is normally considered pro town in my experience. Preventing lurkers is nothing bad It just limits the number of options the Mafia has to escape lynching. His next major post is pointing out a fatal mistake of 201 On June 28 2011 13:27 GMarshal wrote: This is the kind of stuff you REFRAIN from posting. If you think someone is soft claiming medic or DT or accidentally let slip their role then you DO NOT point it out. The mafia might miss it, so its best if you don't call attention to it. By pointing it out you just painted a huge target on chaos13's back if he is town. Why would he attack 201 about this if he was mafia? He would of just PM'd all of his mafia buddies and then worked on getting Chaos lynched / Killed After this Marshal starts to work on creating a Pro Town atmosphere along with 206 On June 28 2011 14:38 GMarshal wrote: A pro-town atmosphere is one in which it is possible to scumhunt and read the thread without having to wade through crap. Its explained in Ver's town guide, but basically it means no mud flinging, no beating dead horses, avoiding unjustified OMGUS and generally behaving as gentlemen towards each other. If we do this we can generate and use information, it will also encourage newer posters to post. Thats the theory at least ^_^ To achieve this don't random FoS, treat even stupid ideas with respect (shoot them down, but theres no need to say "God you moron, you suck" just shoot it down) and behave in a way that makes people *want* to post and listen to what you have to say. Also that post you pointed out is also similar to my post in the first 4 min of Closed Casket Mafia . Its a stylistic choice, and I really like the pictures of the grim reaper (not to mention I have like 12 I had ready for CCM, but then I was killed... ;_;) . Plus I hate lurkers, and I needed a conversation starter, so I chose to talk about them. Any other questions? Once again mentioning lurkers to spark discussion while pointing to the Townie guides to try and help the newer players. Why would he give them help them and try to promote one of the easiest methods to scum hunt in. We also had him supporting the LSB mechanic abusing strategy which could of sparked the end of mafia pretty easily has RoL allowed it. One of the most important facts to consider in his pro town behavior. Finally I am going to bring up the List. While many people simply dismissed it as unimportant i Believe that it will be Crucial late game at working out which surviving "Veteran" players are still standing. And why. The Game will have these few veteran mafia alive at the end and we will come to need this list to hunt them down once we have lost our town veterans. Also not to mention every mafia would HATE being on the Vet list causing them to subtly attack GMarshal getting him lynched early enough to see them into the late game without anyone bringing it up again. On June 28 2011 13:53 GMarshal wrote: A list for you then. Its split into three levels. People I know to be experienced or good, people who are not quite vets, but have played before and know what they are doing and people who are new/have few games that showcase good play. Vets 3. GMarshal (Hi!) 10. youngminii (long time player, usually very aggressive) 15. Jackal58 (endgame player, you are familiar with him, for those not familiar with him, in my experience he is not the best day1-2 player, but really excels when we hit day 5-6) 19. sandroba (read Sleeper Cell if you need a good reason why he is on here) 23. Palmar (In particular his scum play in SNMMII) 25. ~OpZ~ (oldtimer as well, I'm not aware of what his last notable game, because it predates me. I also lack meta on him) 26. LSB (A decent player, as town or scum he comes up with decent plans and tries to lead the town. Prone to powerplays as scum) 27. Mr. Wiggles (another excellent player, he makes very compelling organized posts, but often comes off as scummy even when town since he tends to rehash a lot of what people have said. He plays a better than average game as scum, see his win with Kavdragon in Insane Mafia 2) Mid-tier players 1. DropBear - played some really solid games and is a strong player overall. He has no showings of singlehandedly dominating however, he may be misplaced here and be a candidate for Vet status. 2. sinani206 - played a couple games, not awful, but lacking a solid game to make a judgment of off 5. Cthsazsa - active contributing newbie, a little too trusting and willing to take people at their word. Much potential, interested to see where he goes. (Oh and I keep accidentally thinking he is a girl. Sorry -__-) 7. Kenpachi - likes to lurk, is good with a gun, but I have yet to see him play a game where he takes a solid leadership position 8. Lanaia - only seen her play in Insane Mafia 2 where she had a decent showing. Caught on to Kav's BS when the rest of the town missed it. She is really experienced on IRC mafia. 12. hiro protagonist - played a couple of games, did decently, I lack meta on him, as I don't think I've been in a game with him before. 13. Mig -same deal as hiro, no meta from me, played a few games. 14. Rean - Played more than hiro and mig, has a tendency to lurk (if PTP is a basis to judge on). Makes good calls in confusing situations 17. chaos13 - played a bunch here and away from here, but I lack meta on him 18. Eiii - experienced player who both lacks self confidence and has a tendency to lurk hardcore. 22. VisceraEyes -as hiro. Played a few games, nothing spectacular IIRC 24. Vain - as VE. 30. Varpulis - had a couple solid games, nothing massive, but solid. Hates lurkers, so a man after my own heart new players (no meta on these, obviously) 4. gtrsrs 6. aprudds 9. Torqez 11. Hyaach 16. TheAwesomeAll 20. Navillus 21. Sinani201 28. syllogism 29. Drazerk Again, my limited meta knowledge on these players and relative rankings. Please no one take offense as these are IMO. This is where we finish discussing vet lists. The won't give anymore useful information and will allow others to fake contribute with useless lists. I posted this by request and it should NOT be considered a contribution, as scum can do this as easily as town.Again, no more vet lists I no longer believe he is mafia and has displayed mainly Pro Town enthusiasm throughout the game, Lynching him would be a mistake when we have more scummy players lurking around. | ||
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On June 29 2011 03:36 DropBear wrote: Whoa Drazerk, where did this come from? As far as I can tell, you never really attacked Marshal in the first place. The only thing I can find is this and it's not exactly a wild accusation. What's the deal with the big claim of changing your mind? You never really attacked him. Plus you decide GMarshal is not scum based on hiro's posts? DOES NOT COMPUTE explain plz The hiro posts was in regards to the TAA post against me asking on my opinion of Hiro - I simply re read the thread and came to change my view on GMarshal, I rarely actually accuse people in my games of mafia but i will hunt down / defend the people I Suspect / Trust. Right now i believe GM is not Mafia and we should not be wasting a lynch on him | ||
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On June 29 2011 03:46 GMarshal wrote: I second this, explanation please, what does hiro have to do with me? ^_^ Nothing I was just commenting on what TAA asked me to do - Form an opinion on Hiro in doing so I formed an opinion on you but not him as he has actually posted nothing. | ||
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On June 29 2011 03:51 GMarshal wrote: Oh, I misunderstood that point then. Did you form an opinion on hiro though? If so what is it? Not really I admit he's playing pretty scummy but I am not sure if that is his play style or not as I've not seen other games with him. He's one to keep an eye out on though and we should try and pressure him out of hiding. | ||
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But don't worry 206 I will not forget about you | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:39 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Drazerk gives me really strong strong scum vibes. Though at this point it doesnt make much sense anymore. Care to explain why you started to attack the sinani's? Hitting them doesnt make sense to me at all, they are playing anti town, but not scum. Everything pointed at GM at that point. Killing them seems a bit premature. so if drazerkcan explain that a bit more would be nice. syllo, stop taking everything so personal, and stop arguing makes you look bad/scum also makes it hard for me to read you. Cya in the morning guys, hope i wont be dead <3 If you look at my style of playing town I generally don't focus on the Main FoS as that is when mafia tend to pop out and make mistakes. This time i had no opinion on Gm either way and I wanted to show some light on two scummy targets | ||
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When I die you will be at a disadvantage but at least you will have a Guaranteed Townie. ( Medics better defend him don't let my death be in vain ) I'm off to bed | ||
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On June 29 2011 09:00 Cthsazsa wrote: How in holy hell does your death guarantee GM as town? Simply giving up without defending yourself is one of the scummy things to do besides lurking. A real townie wouldn't simply say "Well your lynching a green your loss" and just give up. They'd be trying to defend the hell out of themselves. I'm still convinced you're scum. May I suggest you read simple mini mafia 4 where as town I give my self up to be lynched every day? | ||
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Yeah well its that time I wanted to actually do a better analysis on the guy but when I read all of his posts every single one of them are either Mechanic based or pure Fluff, Hell I have contributed more than him and im the scummiest player here right now. Shall we start at the beginning? On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote: Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going. I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game. If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted? As we can see he has pretty much not contributed except put a tiny amount of pressure on his Real life friend which to be honest is a false claim as i do not see these guys voting for one another in the late game which is going to pin them together no matter how you look at the situation. ( People should know by know that the blue discussion / Game mechanics are just there to try and blend in with the game ) He basically does this creating a Anti town Atmosphere which is noted by GM earlier in the game. After being pointed out by GM 206 then decides it is suddenly in his best interest to create the most pro town atmosphere TL has ever seen... On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote: Pro-Town atmosphere would ideally be:
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum, if they are, town has already lost. As has been mentioned before, all spamming does is derail town. It makes posts hard to find and confuses people so that scum are harder to analyse and pin for what they really are. Scumhunting is obviously very pro-town. It gives the town a good discussion point and helps (obviously) find mafia. No reason not to do this. Lurking is confusing for all players who aren't lurking. It makes you hard to analyse. Obviously with all the anti-lurking abilities in this game, it isn't much of an issue, but keep this in mind. That pretty much covers it. If anyone has any additions, feel free to share. Keep all of these points in mind when posting and analyzing. Off to play some SotIS and then go to sleep. Probably won't check the thread until morning. Good night folks! Except he manages to make a massive flop of it Once again contributing nothing as points 2 and 4 and pretty much common sense while Point 1 caused so much confusion it sparked all the suspicion onto him. Because of his stupid Pro town atmosphere guide everyone started to band wagon him ( My self included ( Although I did tie him together Via 201 ) ) In his reaction he pretty much goes out and OMGUSs the people who voted for him On June 29 2011 03:13 sinani206 wrote: *sigh* Why do I always get lynched D1? Drazerk and Palmar both have crappy reasons for voting for me. DropBear is the only one that had a good reason but now he's tunneling. GM is obviously a better candidate. The reason you was being lynched was because at this point you have not contributed. You don't seem to actually want to win this game and you keep producing pointless fluff. As I have already stated - I had already started suspecting 201 long before the 206 band wagon the only reason I tied them together as when your suspicious of Two players you go with the General consensus. After this he pretty much has Zero activity he's been lurking more than me after my big Martyr ( Ok this one was not as spectacular as my last games but I was tired sue me ) In fact the only time he came back to post was AFTER the third Event, Why? To talk about game mechanics again, As it makes him sound less of a scum pretending to not know it was coming. On June 30 2011 02:13 sinani206 wrote: Just finished reading. I guess that was a vigilante trying to hit a lurker? Anyway, I will vote for VisceraEyes until he provides his analysis "coming up in a few minutes." If it is amazing (36 hours worth) then I will switch my vote over to Drazerk. If it is nowhere near the caliber you've been hyping, you get to keep my vote. He makes a small reference to Visc but to be honest he is just joining on the most popular band wagon at the moment without attacking me to much to prevent major OMGUS from my previous vote ( Scummy behavior ) His only other recent post was AGAIN a fluff post about mechanics. On June 30 2011 02:18 sinani206 wrote: Oh, I forgot that compulsives can't shoot until day 2. You're probably right, syllo. This guy is blending in as town and your letting him get away with it. He has not contributed anything to the thread and he's been acting more scummy than me. Votes back on you 206. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Sinani206 | ||
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On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote: You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you? Why should anyone trust you Either. You have no contributions to this game. No one has "Confirmed" anything all we have is a very large bandwagon that accumliated quickly due to the mafia killing the TAA who was tunneling me hard which makes perfect sense doesn't it if the mafia want to secure a lynch on me who better than the person with the biggest FoS on me. | ||
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