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On June 21 2011 18:59 Ace wrote:By the way please be aware that since this game starts at Night 0 the chance of dying before getting heavily into the game is very real. Dont be upset 
Will all types of night actions be available for use at Night 0? I'm assuming this will be added in the role PM's once sent but I was curious if you could answer before the game.
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On June 22 2011 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think what he's asking is, is night 0 considered a "normal night".
So unless specified otherwise, all night actions that can be used any or every night, can be used at night 0 like any other night.
Pretty much this.
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Sorry if I held things up I was out last night and at work now. Can someone explain how a hospital runs out of flowing water? Ughgj
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On June 26 2011 05:03 GGQ wrote:
It's been brushed over, but I just want to stress real quick that a 'no lynch' is not nearly as damaging to town when it's no flip and scum has only 1kp. Obviously we can't get in the habit of doing it, but we shouldn't be treating it as taboo.
Also, on a personal note, let's make sure we are all engaging with the game right away rather than waiting until we are at 9 players left and wondering if it's lylo.
No lynch is bad for town. Town gains NOTHING from no-lynching. Period.
We have a 0% chance of lynching mafia if we don't lynch.
We have a slightly higher % chance of lynching mafia if we do.
Lynching is a town weapon. Don't disable it or suggest disabling it. I fail to see how no lynch at any point in the game is helpful in this setup.
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Okay first off anyone who is suggesting that there is a serial killer is automatically getting an FoS today. You're just introducing more unnecessary discussion into a chaotic setup. Have no fear, there's a plan to clear this crap up. If you have a pro-town KP role, don't fucking use it tonight. Consider tonight a day off from your ability. Unless you're some compulsive vigilante this shouldn't be a problem. Assuming there is only 1 night kill tonight we can safely say there is NO serial killer.
On to more important things: The Lynch
We know that there needs to be a majority lynch, the magic number today is 9. Here's what we should do. Build a case against, AT THE MOST, 2 players. This should be done within the first 24 hours. Have some good arguments ready because the town will pressure you by asking WHY we should lynch the person you're suspecting. Once we have a general idea of the two players we want to lynch we settle it over a vote. This guarantees that one player will be lynched.
A couple of rules when voting should be established:
1. Do not vote for yourself
2. Do not vote for someone to essentially avoid confrontation or to "save your vote."
3. Try to vote once and stick with it.
If you are protown you should abide by these rules. If you're scum you are highly encouraged to break these rules. Townies caught breaking these rules will die, and I will not feel sorry when we lose due to idiocy.
Lurking will get you killed, so don't try it.
I'll post suspects when I'm ready, it's really too early to just throw names out there.
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Also the magic number is 9, but we're going to strive to get the vote number up to 13. This means every mafia can try and 'vote swap' and their attempts will fail. The number is always Magic Number + Potential Mafia Total, so remember it.
Vote swapping is a great way for mafia to mess around and create confusion. This plan should eliminate that and avoids splitting the votes between more than 2 parties (essentially eliminating the chances for a no lynch).
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On June 27 2011 21:44 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 21:37 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Okay first off anyone who is suggesting that there is a serial killer is automatically getting an FoS today. You're just introducing more unnecessary discussion into a chaotic setup. Have no fear, there's a plan to clear this crap up. If you have a pro-town KP role, don't fucking use it tonight. Consider tonight a day off from your ability. Unless you're some compulsive vigilante this shouldn't be a problem. Assuming there is only 1 night kill tonight we can safely say there is NO serial killer.
On to more important things: The Lynch
We know that there needs to be a majority lynch, the magic number today is 9. Here's what we should do. Build a case against, AT THE MOST, 2 players. This should be done within the first 24 hours. Have some good arguments ready because the town will pressure you by asking WHY we should lynch the person you're suspecting. Once we have a general idea of the two players we want to lynch we settle it over a vote. This guarantees that one player will be lynched.
A couple of rules when voting should be established:
1. Do not vote for yourself
2. Do not vote for someone to essentially avoid confrontation or to "save your vote."
3. Try to vote once and stick with it.
If you are protown you should abide by these rules. If you're scum you are highly encouraged to break these rules. Townies caught breaking these rules will die, and I will not feel sorry when we lose due to idiocy.
Lurking will get you killed, so don't try it.
I'll post suspects when I'm ready, it's really too early to just throw names out there. How will townies die if they break the rules? How will it be enforced? A vigi kill.. oh wait.. I guess rule breakers will live another day! How will lurkers get killed? Wait.. is there a day vigi? Don't Shoot!
The town KP halt is just for tonight. Don't play dumb.
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On June 27 2011 22:37 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 21:40 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Also the magic number is 9, but we're going to strive to get the vote number up to 13. This means every mafia can try and 'vote swap' and their attempts will fail. The number is always Magic Number + Potential Mafia Total, so remember it. Just saying, the momement the magic number hits, the vote ends. Show nested quote +This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the majority has voted or after the deadline has passed will not count. So how about a Big Bold FOS on anyone who hammers without a good reasonAlthough Gmarshal is not with us and probably is town, I think I should still answer this. Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 12:24 GMarshal wrote:
Anyway, this is a closed setup XXXVI was semi-open, this means that fake claims are a lot easier to pull off here. If I claim something like Funerary House Director and make up powers to go along with it, well then, how are you going to prove me wrong?
Also IIRC the only claim that was carried out in XXXVI was a fake dt claim by the mafia, to get a SK lynched, which was only counteracted by some screwiness with missing PM's for the serial killer or something like that.
Still its been a while, and I've learned a lot about playing mafia since then. Firstly, although there was a fake dt claim, it was the counter claim by the third party that shut down the claim. Fake claims are something we're going to have to accept as necessary hazard in working in a closed setup, and actually can help the town as it spotlights attention on mafia, something they try to avoid. In addition, the semi-openess doesn't matter. It's just like XXXVI, sure you know that there could be a DT (and we're pretty sure there is a DT in this game), but you don't know if there is 1, 2 or even none at all. The fake claim is just as easy to pull off.
Hrmm I ignored that detail when I made that post up. I was going to throw it up during Night 0 but Fishball was right, there was no reason to discuss anything during the Night 0 phase.
This is why votes should not be placed immediately. It's going to be tough to keep mafia away from bandwagoning if we have suspects who aren't strong cases with 6-7 votes.
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Lists never seem to help the town out as much as you would hope. I think it was said during PTP lists are generally bad. Typically you want to target 1-3 players who are acting scummy on a certain day. You try to get them to post and be active, and then once the town decides to lynch or live, you move on.
In PTP the idea of "zodiac lists" were brought up. How many people paid attention to lists past day 1? I don't need to repeat what BC has already said, since I agree with his logic about lists.
I'm interested in hearing more from Chaoser, aside from his lovely looking list. This is a new strategy for someone who has typically avoided lists and scum-hunts one at a time. I'll refer to Chaoser's daring strategy during Mafia XXXIX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644¤tpage=46#906 [Read Day 2: How Chaoser & Sandroba somehow got me lynched].
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On June 28 2011 21:37 deconduo wrote:
I have two trains of thought going on at the moment:
-Fishball is mafia. Mafia are scared that I'm going to kill him so they are trying to get me lynched. I would put Fishball, BC, Kurumi as scum. Other possible suspects are Palmar, Jackal, Chezinu. Radfield, LSB are probably town.
-Fishball is town. Mafia are just lurking away happy at the fact that nothing is going on. Chaoser, ILJ, sandroba would be my biggest suspects. Radfield, BC, Caller (*sigh*), probably town.
If you put a gun to my head, given how the game has played out so far, my gut says option number 2 right now.
If you want me to say something like Fishball is 100% town or 100% mafia, don't be dumb. Its day 1, theres not exactly a lot to go on. I don't know anything for certain. I do know that Fishball has been pretty unhelpful so far. When he was asked nicely to step up his game he refused. When he was threatened to step up his game he refused. As such, unless a better target presents itself, I'm shooting him tonight.
No you're not.
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On June 29 2011 00:31 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 00:29 Palmar wrote:On June 29 2011 00:28 deconduo wrote:On June 29 2011 00:27 Palmar wrote:On June 29 2011 00:20 LSB wrote:
Intresting analysis. But why does "trolling" make someone mafia? If trolling makes someone mafia, shouldn't Caller also be in that list?
Call me naive, but I assume everyone is here to try to win. I don't think anyone is going to argue that mindless trolling, followed by the defense of "but that guy is trolling more", is in any way helpful for the town. I know Kurumi is capable of playing against his win condition (see PTP) but in a game full of experienced vets, I'd expect him to at least try to win, instead of looking at this as his own little playground. So assuming he's playing to win, that leaves only the possibility of him being mafia. So yes, trolling = mafia. So Caller and Fishball are mafia as well then? Caller just might be. Fishball has contributed more than you. People keep saying that, yet are unable to point to a single contribution by him. Mafia team: Fishball BC Kurumi Palmar
Lol I don't buy that list.
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I was going to vote for chaoser before you took his position. Don't take your short stay in closed casket as a personal attack or anything .
Cherrypickers be pickin....
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Cherry picking my posts doesn't make me scum.
I just find it funny that conveniently after chaoser made that garbage list post he was replaced, essentially making it useless for the town to ask viscera what was meant.
And Rol you should watch your shit. All of a sudden you were.'catching up' and someone throws my name into the ring and you hop on me out of convenience. You gotta do better than that if you want to help your scum buddy out. Guess its easy to throw your friends under the bus first
Another reference for the town: when Rol and I are on the same mafia team he will stay very far away from me. Also when jackal plays normally he will call out someone for being scum by literally saying "xxx is scum."
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So then why do you even want to vote for me?
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Do you guys wonder why the votes haven't reached 9 yet?
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On June 29 2011 15:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
The fact is, there's a reasonable argument FOR a No Lynch under certain circumstances where town is concerned (See RoL's post on the matter).
Conversely, there is literally NO time Mafia would choose to No Lynch over mislynching a townie. I don't care who's on the team, I don't care if they risk exposure by doing so, it is 100% of the time better to lynch a townie than it is to No Lynch.
And Mafia would KNOW I'm town.
So I can't stress this enough guys. I'd bet almost anything in the world that the remainder of the scum-team is on this list. My guesses are in red, for what it's worth.
BloodyC0bbler, sandroba, Radfield, deconduo, Amber[Light], Jackal58, Palmar
If I die tonight (which I find likely), take a GOOD HARD LOOK at the people on this list.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
You should really do your homework before you assume something.
If I were mafia and my scum buddy was a few votes away from being lynched I'd definitely choose a no lynch first. Conversely, [YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE?] if there were two people who I knew were town and were causing a LOT of mayhem, I, as scum, would rather go for a no lynch instead of exposing my team by vote-training. Both scenarios are entirely possible.
Your logic hasn't been helping you, and your credibility is going down the toilet.
Since Viscera is just talking out of his ass at this point I'll let him keep doing it until we lynch him, but this is EXACTLY what I warned the town about in my very first post during Day 1. Everything that I wanted to avoid actually ended up happening:
-Town couldn't pick just 2 targets to lynch
-Town couldn't reach any magic number
-Town couldn't trust each other, so the integrity of the town went out the window
-We no-lynched, the worst possible thing for the town to do.
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On June 29 2011 16:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC, I'm not concerned about the 'world of hurt' you're going to bring on me. First of all, I called you out SPECIFICALLY to prove that you're ACTIVELY lurking.
You never once analyzed me. Not. Once. You never even posted after I'd been replaced in until near the deadline.
And you're right...your town play IS obvious. Obviously NOT how you're playing this game.
Also, I've voted for 3 people. Palmar, Amber and for like 2 secs LSB, which was IMMEDIATELY retracted as I never felt he was scummy and I admitted that. That's not flailing about. Yes, I DID plead for my life. If you DARE call that scummy, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo guy.
You don't find me scummy at all. And chances are, if you were town, you wouldn't find me scummy then either.
You've got a long road ahead of you if you plan to A) put me in a world of hurt, B) Analyze everyone who didn't vote for me and C) try and push ILJ for lynch tomorrow as you'll SURELY kill me tonight. I don't envy you, sir.
So do what you have to do. I'm but a small fish in a big pond here. But not quite as scummy a fish as you'd hoped. Kisses!
Says the guy who not only managed to get lynched on the first day in PTP, but also used an ability that I gave him to take out BC, a player who was playing pro-town from the start.
Maybe you could enlighten us with your analysis of BC's obviously anti-town play in both of these games.
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On June 30 2011 22:03 Caller wrote:
RoL, you should claim.
Or at least post something that isn't scummy.
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